I must be really lucky..

[IndiTd4]

Well I took the Freelander to a local exhaust place as it sounds like she is possibly blowing,
they put her up in the air and listened to it, and here is where I am so lucky,,
the Turbo to Exhaust Manifold has at least one of the three bolts has clearly visibly come undone,
and the guys said its blowing from there,
only they can't get to it from underneath,
and being Exhaust fitters they didn't want to get further involved,

So I went next door to Land Rover and after waiting for a guy in an office to
diagnose it from his chair told me it would cost £185 + Vat to tighten the bolts,
and if there was more to do it would be added on.

I have an appointment with a local place tomorrow PM to have a look see,
as I would like them to diagnose if I need the gasket replaced or just tightened
back down,

My question on the back of all this is if they have to replace the gasket how long should it take??
They are a reasonable bunch but I want to know that I am not having my leg pulled..

Is it a hard job??

 

[WLJayne]

That sounds like a fair price to me - tricky parts to get to I imagine . Well done for catching it in the bud!

 

[celt69]

Shame you don't live down this neck of the woods I would have done it for around £45 all-in

 

[teddywood1]

try to find another garage LR main dealers are rip off's

 

[IndiTd4]

I have found another garage,
will report back later today,,
when I know what is found and what cost/time is involved..

 

[IndiTd4]

Well it turns out that the exhaust manifold Gasket's are blowing and so is the turbo to exhaust gasket,
the suspected loose bolt is actually very tight but cross threaded in the hole, and will need to be
removed from the car to extract it on a bench, too little room to do it in place due to its position,

We had two options of attack, from below or from above, they have decided on from above,
as it gives better access to all the desired parts, so this is going to be a fairly expensive repair,

Manifold Gaskets x2 (Cheap £11 each)
Turbo Gasket x1 (Cheap about £5)
Head Gasket x1 (Not cheap somewhere around £90-£135)
Grommet set for the air box x1 (1 or more missing Fairly cheap)

Then about 5 hours labour ish

keeping everything crossed they don't find anything else while doing
this repair, I am beginning to run out of money for the repairs..

 

[IndiTd4]

Well I have finally got the Lander back,
It broke down on the Morning of the 15th with a definite lack of power, and as the garage is at the top of a very steep hill we had the AA take it back there for the repairs.

So in they went from the top..
the following was replaced
2 Exhaust Manifold Gaskets
1 Turbo Gasket
3 Air Box Grommets (Missing in action)
1 Rocker Cover Gasket
1 Gasket Sealant
4 inlet Manifold Gaskets

All back together and pulled well on the flat but very little oomph up the hill,
so they re-stripped it again checking everything as they went,

They found that a turbo pipe had come off, so secured that in place and it was better but not right, (I am thinking Fuel Pump), they did some further investigation and nothing showed on diagnostics, they even took it to Land Rover and nothing there either, then someone asked what Crankcase Filter was fitted, BMW Cyclone was the answer, this was replaced with the Land Rover Blue Crankcase filter, and she now pulls like a train..

Check and change your filter regularly before your turbo goes POP!!!!

Lander back at home now running well, still got a few noises and knocks to sort out but glad she is back, its funny how you know they will be trouble but you still like having them around..

 

[nickcc]

BMW suffered with Turbo failure on this engine and introduced the Cyclone modification, this cured the turbo failure problem. Land Rover have never recommended the Cyclone modification and have only recently introduced changing the filter as a service item. Can't see any reason why fitting the Cyclone mod would result in loss of power, many members have changed to the modified breather, Synergy and EGR bypass ( as have I ) and suffered no loss of power, in fact mine goes like whatsit off a shovel.

 

[celt69]

Well I have finally got the Lander back,
It broke down on the Morning of the 15th with a definite lack of power, and as the garage is at the top of a very steep hill we had the AA take it back there for the repairs.

So in they went from the top..
the following was replaced
2 Exhaust Manifold Gaskets
1 Turbo Gasket
3 Air Box Grommets (Missing in action)
1 Rocker Cover Gasket
1 Gasket Sealant
4 inlet Manifold Gaskets

All back together and pulled well on the flat but very little oomph up the hill,
so they re-stripped it again checking everything as they went,

They found that a turbo pipe had come off, so secured that in place and it was better but not right, (I am thinking Fuel Pump), they did some further investigation and nothing showed on diagnostics, they even took it to Land Rover and nothing there either, then someone asked what Crankcase Filter was fitted, BMW Cyclone was the answer, this was replaced with the Land Rover Blue Crankcase filter, and she now pulls like a train..

Check and change your filter regularly before your turbo goes POP!!!!

Lander back at home now running well, still got a few noises and knocks to sort out but glad she is back, its funny how you know they will be trouble but you still like having them around..

Hi
As the BMW engine has a crank case filter does the L series (old rover engine) have a similar filter or am I okay.

Cheers in advance

 

[nickcc]

Sorry can't help with the Rover engine, if no replies on here have a look on Rover Rons forum.

 

[hd3]

' celt69 '

As the BMW engine has a crank case filter does the L series (old rover engine) have a similar filter or am I okay.

IF these pages relate to the L-Series diesel ( i'm guessing they do .. but don't know for Sure )

see item no.8 on the 1st link :
Rover 400/45/MG ZS Camshaft Cover - 2000 Diesel at www.rimmerbros.co.uk
be no mention of a 'filter' ..

additional info :
lseries2

er .. u might want to check those relate to the hippo L-series diesel
( cause i've never had a look at one )

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er .. maybe start a new thread re the l-series if needed ..

'n ' IndiTd4 ' .. didn't intend to hijack your hippo post

 

[hd3]

' IndiTd4 '

3 Air Box Grommets (Missing in action)

curious as to what / where those are ? or supposed to be ..

didn't see anything mentioned in the haynes ..
haven't spotted any grommets around my air box ..

starting to worry now .. :-/

anyhow .. glad you got yer motor sorted

 

[Nodge68]

Hi
As the BMW engine has a crank case filter does the L series (old rover engine) have a similar filter or am I okay.

Cheers in advance

Yes it will have, It's in that square lump on top of the cam cover. All engines have some kind of crank case filter/ oil separator.

 

[IndiTd4]

Hello All,
Sorry if I have caused any alarm, I am not a mechanic or an engineer, I was just giving you the benefit of my recent experience,,

I was purely saying that I have a Td4 and I had some work done;
Exhaust manifolds and Turbo manifold replaced, and some other bits and bobs,
when the work was done and all back together, it was lacking power,,

things they found and repaired were,
Turbo hose had popped off (probably the main reason for the lack of performance)
75% better
then they changed the Crankcase Breather from a BMW Cyclone (purchased from ebay) to the Land rover part, all pulling as normal now,

So the breather was full of ****e, maybe down to one or several things..
1. Low milage clogging it faster than usual.
2. Problem with the Turbo Manifold meant that the turbo wasn't running, so the oil went up instead of round??

I really don't know, but I was told I was lucky the turbo had stopped as the blocked breather is normally something that happens just before the Turbo goes pop..

Grommets!!!!
These are supposed to be according to the guys doing the work, in the section where the Air Filter is housed, there are 3 holes that have grommets in them to give it a sealed environment, not seen them myself, but he ordered them from Land Rover,,cost less than a £5 so I may have been robbed for his lunchtime sandwich...

P.S No such thing as Highjacking mate, all discussion is good when it comes to the Freelander..

Car is much better as I said and it will be even better with a few more jobs done...

 

[hd3]

Grommets!!!!
These are supposed to be according to the guys doing the work, in the section where the Air Filter is housed, there are 3 holes that have grommets in them to give it a sealed environment

oh
think i know which holes they are ..
saw 3 small ones at lower rear of air-filter box ..
thought maybe they were for draining any water that might get in there ..
mmmm .. to grommet or not to grommet that be the question .. ..
think i'll leave as is for now .. as they're pre-filter anywayz ..
( and some other air intakes i've come across have had allowance for water ingress ..
( as in some form of small drain holes

hope he enjoyed his sandwich

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btw: trivial observation .. noticed today that shell v-power .. is now called ..
' v-power nitro plus ' ( lol ) .. evidently has More cleaning power than before ..
b@*!* marketing gimmick adding 'nitro' to the name .. as if it gave more 'power' ..

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So the breather was full of ****e, maybe down to one or several things..
1. Low milage clogging it faster than usual.
2. Problem with the Turbo Manifold meant that the turbo wasn't running, so the oil went up instead of round?

.. i'd be inclined to put forward 'short trips' as the primary reason ..
especially if it's stop-'n-go traffic .. that would mean the engine bay would heat up ..
but the engine and it's oil wouldn't reach it's most efficient running temp.
and .. if the engine oil has a mineral component .. it would be more prone to coke up
( as opposed to fully synthetic oil )
plus combustion emissions would be more .. so in theory the crankcase fumes would be dirtier

 

[celt69]

Yes it will have, It's in that square lump on top of the cam cover. All engines have some kind of crank case filter/ oil separator.

Cheers Nodge68 I have changed this, thought there was something different I had missed when I serviced her.

Celt69

 

[celt69]

' celt69 '



IF these pages relate to the L-Series diesel ( i'm guessing they do .. but don't know for Sure )

see item no.8 on the 1st link :
Rover 400/45/MG ZS Camshaft Cover - 2000 Diesel at www.rimmerbros.co.uk
be no mention of a 'filter' ..

additional info :
lseries2

er .. u might want to check those relate to the hippo L-series diesel
( cause i've never had a look at one )

~~~~~~~

er .. maybe start a new thread re the l-series if needed ..

'n ' IndiTd4 ' .. didn't intend to hijack your hippo post

Cheers for the info, not a bad Idea starting a thread about the old L series. Will be keeping it for a few years so will consider putting up repairs on here and so forth.

 

[nickcc]

So the breather was full of ****e, maybe down to one or several things..
1. Low milage clogging it faster than usual.

It seems to me that you may be being misled as the BMW Cyclone mod prevents the breather blocking which was the cause of the turbos blowing in the first place. The original filter, which you now have fitted, was never included in the Land Rover service schedule so became blocked with carbon/crud, pressurised the crankcase and blew the turbo seals.
No criticism was aimed at you in my previous post just unable to see how reverting to the original filter would be a positive move.

 

[IndiTd4]

I see what you mean so the damage to the seals and the cross threaded bolt were probably bodge fixed before to get it ready to sell to an unsuspecting me, due to the Land Rover part not being changed by previous owners, and this was only shown in my ownership as the Long journey I made blew all the putty out of the holes making it blow again..

So the Cyclone was not blocked but Land Rover said to change it as they don't like to admit that there part is the probable cause of this issue,


I will live with it for a while and see how things go as it is already fitted...
but next time I change it 6 - 12 months time I will go to BMW and get the Cyclone,

thanks for all the info guys..