The Dreaded Head Gasket Issue Newbie

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QUOTE: I notice from cold to normal temp (the arrow in the middle), the coolant temp from bottom radiator is very still cold compared to top radiator hose.

That's the whole idea of the cooling system.

The coolant circulates from the pump, under the thermostat, down the by-pass hose/passage, into the bottom of the block, up through the block, into cylinder head (getting pretty hot now) and back to the pump and thermostat. Round and round, and pretty quickly.

Once the circulating water gets close to the temperature of the thermostat setting, the thermostat SHOULD start to open just a little, and a little very hot water goes into one end of (or the top of) the radiator. As this hot water goes in, some cool water is displaced out the other end of the radiator and MIXES with the flow in the by-pass that is heading for the bottom of the cylinder block. That means the water going back to the engine is a tad cooler, hopefully just enough cooler to maintain the correct running temperature. This (if it is well designed) will self-regulate, AND it should operate gently, without causing any thermal shocks to the system.

Thermal shock is what happens (especially on a nice cold frosty morning) when the engine gets nice and hot, but there is NO flow into the radiator, and then (due to bad design) when the temperature reaches "normal" the bypass closes suddenly as the thermostat opens up, and the entire VERY COLD contents of the radiator get thrown into the cylinder block and head. The sudden cooling effect causes differential contraction of parts to take place, and (again due to bad design) this has the effect of loosening the clamping effect holding down the cylinder head - and the head gasket fails.

Drilling a few holes in the thermostat ring means that as soon as the engine starts, some flow into the radiator takes place, and very gently the radiator will warm up. The engine may take a little longer to heat up, but chances are there will be no thermal shock effect, or not enough to do in the head gasket.

very very true...with my KV6 on the cold day the bottom radiator hose very cold compare to the top radiator hose. you wouldnt believe the temp diff between the two. I believe this is causing the thermal shock and leads to HGF.
As my reply earlier it is very hard to or maybe impossible to drill holes on the thermostat. The only thing I can think of is to branch out a small hose and connect to thermostat bypass hose ( I am talking about KV6).
 
Something like this...any thoughts?
 

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where is the best place mail order / online to get a PRT and seals etc etc as they dont look to hard to fit, and could some one point me in the direction of a good coolant bleeding guide.

Rimmer Brothers, after market company for most British classic cars

Parts Spares & Accessories for Triumph MG Rover Land Rover Discovery Freelander Defender Range Rover & Rover SD1

PRT pic from Rimmer Bros Catalogue below

If you want to bleed the system, turn heater dial to hot, remove air box to access bleed point on the coolant arm.
-Unscrew expansion cap.
-Open bleed screw on coolant arm (8mm) run coolant until no bubbles
are expelled.
-Open bleed valve on upper heater matrix hose, again expel any bubbles.

- Run engine until running temp, switch off and allow to cool, repeat bleed procedure for heater matrix hose only. Coolant arm only needs to be bled once. Heater matrix bleed point may need to be bled several times


Drilling a few holes in the thermostat ring means that as soon as the engine starts, some flow into the radiator takes place, and very gently the radiator will warm up. The engine may take a little longer to heat up, but chances are there will be no thermal shock effect, or not enough to do in the head gasket.

Very true - Drilling holes also increases the throughput of coolant going through the system, it will actually lower running temp of the engine by several degrees as heat transfer efficiency is improved.

It is the span of the radiator that determins the running temp of the engine combined with pump speed and volume of coolant in the system. For example the Freelander has 6 litres of coolant with quite a large Rad, whereas the MGF with same k-series engine, same coolant arm and same pump but has a smaller Rad. This means the engine should run hotter, however, there is an extra 4 litres of coolant in the MGF to compensate for smaller surface area of the Rad. Not to mention it needs the extra few litres just to fill the extra length of pipe given the distance of the Rad from the engine.
 

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The thing is, out here the temp is very hot as you would imagine. Through the day the temp can get to around late 30,s degrees, so my engine coolant never really cools down. I am up to full operating temprature within 2 minutes literally, same in the morning when I leave the garage it is up to full operating temp within minutes.
I know this is a bit chav but I have considered putting an air scoop on the bonnet to cool the engine while driving also it will help get rid of some of the heat that is under the bonnet. I am wiring a switch in the car to switch the fans on manually when stuck in traffic as the gauge rises very quickly, I dont supose anyone can tell me the colour of the live wire to the fans please? 2000 1.8i petrol injun.

Take the under tray off if you are not going off-road, air flow is more than substantial without it.

Or you could mod you undertray like so:

Actual pic plus scematic diagram of where to cut out section, its only thin aluminium and fibreglass. Wear disposable gloves the fibreglass can irritate.

The blue line is where I have removed a 4" section and the orange strips are where I added extra 3mm alimium strap for extra rigidity of the sump guard.
 

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i cant see any reason why it shouldnt - but then - I am no thermo-dynamicist. I wud suggest fitting a tap in the bypass, so that flow could be adjusted.
 
Do you know whether I can get those t pieces without having to get the hoses too? LR dealer here only sale them as a set (incl hoses).
 
not really...coz not many FL on that forum...
btw, do you know the diameter of bottom radiator hose and transmission oil cooler hose? :D pleaseee....
 
Nope - but yu KNOW i got shot of mine - others might know - or go to ya local Stealer and measure them ;)

ya I know but do you still have the old thermo? the two inlets comes from bottom radiator hose and transmission oil cooler hose...I hope you still have it...
 
I've come in late here Dearot, Hatters et all, but here's threpennorth worth from me....

I used to run Capri's from the mid eighties right thru till 2000. They all (2litres and 2.8's) used to be a pig in summer traffic queus for overheating, especially in London Rushhours. Soon as the temp used to start rising in mid may/early june, I used to swop the thermostat with one that was wired open. If memory serves I used 30amp cooker wire to hold the stat open by 2-3mm. Took a while for the engine to heat up, but hepled a bit to keep coolant flowing at all times....
 
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