Auto transmission fluid change, now sounds like poo?

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Jasey Boy

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Just changed my trans fluid, didnt use texaco used a motaquip ATF type D11, now car wines when i drive it, is this oil a suitable alternative all be it not quite as good as texaco or have i been given the wrong type of fluid all together, or will it wine till the fluid get fully distributed, thanks for reading?
 
Just read the title again.

Did you change the auto oil buy dropping the old stuff out, replacing the same amount (about 3.5L), start the engine and run it on tick over until the auto oil is at 35 to 45 degrees, then undo the level plug and add more auto oil until the level plug just starts to run, then stop putting oil in and close the level plug when it's only a slight whisper of oil dripping out the level plug?
 
Do you top up with engine while running till fluid comes out, as i ran it to get to temp whilst filling it then tured it of and let the excess drian, think this might be my mistake?
 
Do you top up with engine while running till fluid comes out, as i ran it to get to temp whilst filling it then tured it of and let the excess drian, think this might be my mistake?
Yes. It sounds like you have set your auto oil level too low. Stop driving it until you put it right.

To check the level you need the engine running and auto oil up to temp of 35 to 45 degrees. If you don't do this then you'll have a problem. The auto level plug is under the auto. The level hole has a vertical tube above it inside the auto. The top of the tube is the correct level, when the engine is running.

When the engines running the auto's oil pump circulates the oil. The correct auto oil level is when you put oil into the auto filler with the engine running, and it runs out the drain.

When the oil temp is correct move the auto's lever through each position to make sure all areas in the auto are filled with oil. Now put auto oil into the auto filler. When it starts to drain out of the drain plug wait for it to stop and the level is now correct. Move the lever through the positions again and put a little more oil in and watch it run out. When it stops fit the drain plug. Job done.

If you now switch off the engine the auto's oil pump will stop. The oil level in the auto will now rise well above the level of the tube inside, as the auto oil runs out of the other areas of the auto inside, by about 3.5 to 4L. This is expected. Unfortunately it looks like you've drained this oil out, when you shouldn't have.

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atf dexron 2 wont make your box noisy ,i know several that use it for considerable periods of time

I used Dexron 2 as a flushing fluid before I put in the Carlube ATF-U. It ran just fine with the Dexron 2 shifting smoothly and was quite. The main reason Dexron 2 wasn't used was to increase the time/ distance between changes, but short term it's ok.
 
hi. how do you use as a flushing .wont it just mix with the other fluid left in the jatco box as not all the fluid drains on the fluid change .the box holds about 8ltrs and only 3.5 to 4 ltrs comes out .:confused:
 
Well hippo done as you said and theres still a wineing noise, wandering if its the wrong oil? any ideas?
How low was the auto oil when you were running it low on oil? How much more did you put it to get the level correct?

Personally I would only ever put the correct oil in, which is sold by main dealers. That's my personal preference. I know and accept others on here have used different oils which we've discussed on here in the past, but when asking the manufacturers to commit to this they will by email, but won't put it on their web site in the spec. Having had to replace my auto with a recon which cost £2200 fitted, the cost of the dealer oil to do a few changes is less than 5%. Even though mines on a low mileage it would be daft to change the auto if it failed again, bearing in mind v6 fuel costs and it's age. A sad thought I know but it's a reality.

Your auto won't like running low on auto oil. I guess it will stop the stuff inside being lubricated correctly, depending how low it was. Also may not have enough oil to keep the hydraulics operating correctly. If you run the torque convertor low on oil then it cavitates. That's when you get air in it and it gets damaged. The dealer told me after I run mine low on auto oil. Rotten sods didn't tell me it had a leak until I returned to tell them the gear shift went with a heavy bang again, 2 weeks later. Cost me a recon auto that did.

I'm guessing a bit here as I'm not an expert on auto's. I gained bit of knowledge the hard way. If replacing the auto oil and running it low on oil is the only thing you did, then it's likely this is the causes of the problem. Check around to see you haven't knocked anything which could be causing the noise. Low oil isn't good. It will cause wear which can't be put right without it being taken apart. As far as I see it you need a second opinion from an auto transmission specialist. Given that opinion you can make the choice to either drive as normal and wait to see if it gets worse, let them fix it if there's a problem, or just replace the auto. I guess it's down to their experience and diagnosis. Problem is they won't know for sure what the fault is until it's taken apart, unless they've done one similar before and can advise the problem.

My first suggestion is to contact someone like ashcroft transmissions who recon the jatco auto which is what you have. They will be able to assist from direct experience of these auto's. They recon them so they will have seen the possible damage inside too, and the effects of low oil. Ashcroft Transmissions
 
I used Dexron 2 as a flushing fluid before I put in the Carlube ATF-U. It ran just fine with the Dexron 2 shifting smoothly and was quite. The main reason Dexron 2 wasn't used was to increase the time/ distance between changes, but short term it's ok.
was my thoughts on choices of expensive oil now ,i cant see anything different in a jatco compared to zf(still just gears and clutch packs) that would require a different oil ,id still prefer to drain regulary as lr found with l322 filled for life or long periods isnt a good idea
 
youd get poor drive or poor gear changes with too low a oil level before you got lack of lube damage to box components,t/c and oil pump would suffer first
 
youd get poor drive or poor gear changes with too low a oil level before you got lack of lube damage to box components,t/c and oil pump would suffer first
That's what's puzzling me when I wrote the above. Hence oil level Q. When mine was low it shifted with a bang, when warm. Unless there was something additionally wrong with mine I don't know of.
 
Thanks for the post s fellas, some good points, hippo I only went round the block with the lower oil level and the wine was there straight away,thats when I posted for help. Im hoping that that short trip did no damage. Then I topped up and the noise was still there, will check today I've not disturb any thing else, may drop the oil and try filling again, it does seem to go through the gears ok, which is odd if something is wrong, thanks all, will let you know if I solve it, , can't wait to spend another day under the car.:)
 
Ok, ran it up to 35 degs and checked the level again and it just took another litre of oil, dont know why, i can only guess it was air locked yesterday or something but its fine now, quiet as a mouse, thanks for your help on this one again. Bit of a relief :)
 
Has the noise gone now? When stationary get someone to rev it up and down and try to see where it's coming from.
 
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