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In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-07-08, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>
>> I'm just looking at RISC actually - or will be doing so 'properly'
>> when 'real life'[tm] stops getting in the way...
>
>He was talking about Risc OS, it's an old British operating system
>that runs only on ARM processor based machines, it's where the ARM
>processor that's all over the place originally came from. The first
>machines were the Acorn Archimedes, successor to the original BBC
>micro.

I was indeed.
This is why RISC OS is always spelt in capitals and risk is I
beleive lower case.

>As such, Risc OS won't run under VMWare as the ARM processor will need
>emulating. There are Archimedes emulators available but I've never
>tried them.

I think the Archimedes emulator is called red squirrel.

Regars.

Steve.


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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:45:19 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> Is there a simple way to get past the "To begin click your user name"?

I can't test it - all my XP boxen are members of a windows domain - no
'home edition', but ISTR there is. Probably involves having just one user
on the machine. Maybe TweakUI has the necessary clickety clicks. If the
answer doesn't materialise here, point your newsreader at
news.microsoft.com and select a group with a likely sounding name.

> On earlier versions of windows you could just press "Escape" to get past
> this login but there does not appear to be a way past it on XP.

You're thinking of the now, thankfully, defunct Win95/98/ME line. XP is
the successor to Win2k - although the home edition tips its hat at 95.

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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:45:19 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]> wrote:


>At least that has sorted the shutdown shortcut but what about start up?
>Is there a simple way to get past the "To begin click your user name"?
>On earlier versions of windows you could just press "Escape" to get past
>this login but there does not appear to be a way past it on XP.
>
Download the TweakUI PowerToy from
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx and
install it.

In the 'logon' section select 'autologon'.
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On 2006-07-09, Stephen Hull <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was indeed.
> This is why RISC OS is always spelt in capitals and risk is I
> beleive lower case.

There was another OS called Risc OS, which caused some confusion.
When I was a user (last machine I had was an 8 meg A5000 33MHz) there
were constant flame wars regarding the right way to type it, I used to
get annoyed about the pedantry so sort of got used to varying the way
I wrote it, partially unintentionally..

It's a shame it went down the pan, but Acorn never developed it
properly, even now it's not even caught up with Mac OS 7. I think
they spent too much time trying to make a computer that could leak
oil. That would have been a proper British computer ;-)

> I think the Archimedes emulator is called red squirrel.

ISTR there being a few, at least 3, split across Windows and Linux.
I've never tried them, I've got 4 real machines in the loft after all!

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William Tasso wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:45:19 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>> ...
>> Is there a simple way to get past the "To begin click your user
>> name"?
>
> I can't test it - all my XP boxen are members of a windows domain - no
> 'home edition', but ISTR there is. Probably involves having just one
> user on the machine. Maybe TweakUI has the necessary clickety
> clicks. If the answer doesn't materialise here, point your
> newsreader at news.microsoft.com and select a group with a likely
> sounding name.
>> On earlier versions of windows you could just press "Escape" to get
>> past this login but there does not appear to be a way past it on XP.
>
> You're thinking of the now, thankfully, defunct Win95/98/ME line. XP
> is the successor to Win2k - although the home edition tips its hat at
> 95.

TweakUI as suggested has the clicks, make sure it is the XP one you get.
Dunno what'll happen if you get a different one, just saying there is one
especially for XP.


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On Sun, 9 Jul 2006 07:47:11 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]>
wrote:

>He was talking about Risc OS, it's an old British operating system
>that runs only on ARM processor based machines, it's where the ARM
>processor that's all over the place originally came from. The first
>machines were the Acorn Archimedes, successor to the original BBC
>micro.
>
>As such, Risc OS won't run under VMWare as the ARM processor will need
>emulating. There are Archimedes emulators available but I've never
>tried them.

Ah, I see. Tis the Sun I'm playing with.


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On or around Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:46:39 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 08 Jul 2006 20:51:30 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:19:02 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'e got a new laptop with XP installed
>>
>> As an aside, how on earth do you get XP to give you the
>> shutdown/restart/whatever screen you used to get with W2K?
>
>give it up - vista is just around the corner.

ur, yuk.
>
>fiddle till it's mended or broke :)

that goes for all of windows, though. recent case in point: I run a neat
little thing called Tclockex. This loads on boot up and makes useful clock
etc. down on the toolbar. Recently, it's been giving up due to not loading
within it's own (arbitrary but as far as I know not settable) time limit, I
imagine due to something else hogging resources at boot time.

now in the old days, all these things were in the win.ini file, and it would
have been a simple matter to move Tclockex down to the bottom of the list so
it started loading last.

Not any more though. There are various ways of finding it in the list
including a config program and regedit, but no way I've found of telling it
what order to do stuff. Best suggestion so far is a workaround that
involving hunting the MS-DOS "hang around for n seconds" utility and attach
that to the front of the command that launches it.
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of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
On or around Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:27:55 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>In message <[email protected]>
> Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 04 Jul 2006 17:19:02 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I'e got a new laptop with XP installed
>>
>>As an aside, how on earth do you get XP to give you the
>>shutdown/restart/whatever screen you used to get with W2K?
>>
>>I know it's possible as I've seen a few XP machines with this enabled.
>>Just got Charlotte a new laptop and can't for the life of me make it
>>ALL look like the W2K she's used to...
>>
>Don't know sorry, I'm still learning how to use XP.
>I would like to be able to just press one button or one mouse click to
>shut the machine down though and not have to do it via Start, Turn off
>computer, Shut down.

I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of typing and
just before you saved.
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Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
On 2006-07-09, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of typing and
> just before you saved.

I think winblows sends a prequite message around applications before
shutdown starts, and they grumble if the data's not been saved and
they're told that an enforced quit is imminent. That's from memory
though, I'll let you winblows users test that out on your own data ;-)

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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:00:58 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-07-09, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of typing and
>> just before you saved.
>
>I think winblows sends a prequite message around applications before
>shutdown starts, and they grumble if the data's not been saved and
>they're told that an enforced quit is imminent. That's from memory
>though, I'll let you winblows users test that out on your own data ;-)

Windoze does send such a message, but it's up to each application to decide what
to do about it, if anything.
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On or around Mon, 10 Jul 2006 07:26:45 -0400, Charlie Choc
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:00:58 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On 2006-07-09, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of typing and
>>> just before you saved.
>>
>>I think winblows sends a prequite message around applications before
>>shutdown starts, and they grumble if the data's not been saved and
>>they're told that an enforced quit is imminent. That's from memory
>>though, I'll let you winblows users test that out on your own data ;-)
>
>Windoze does send such a message, but it's up to each application to decide what
>to do about it, if anything.

sounds familiar.
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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:00:58 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I think winblows sends a prequite message around applications before
>shutdown starts, and they grumble if the data's not been saved and
>they're told that an enforced quit is imminent. That's from memory
>though, I'll let you winblows users test that out on your own data ;-)

Trusting valuable data to Microsloth is akin to sticking your nob in a
mains socket.


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On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:11:05 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Don't know how you create a batch file,

A BATch file at its most basic is simply a text file with a few
instructions in it (the instructions are executed as if you typed them
in).

Use notepad and make a file called: ls.bat
the contents of which will just be

dir

Put this in your root directory (C:\)
type ls from a DOS prompt...

(You'll see what I mean I guess)



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On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 18:03:40 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

> ...
> Trusting valuable data to Microsloth is akin to sticking your nob in a
> mains socket.

That reads like you think it's a bad thing <g>

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In message <[email protected]>
Ian Rawlings <[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-07-09, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of
>> typing and just before you saved.
>
>I think winblows sends a prequite message around applications before
>shutdown starts, and they grumble if the data's not been saved and
>they're told that an enforced quit is imminent. That's from memory
>though, I'll let you winblows users test that out on your own data ;-)
>

It does appear to have a prequite message thingy.

Regards,

Steve.


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In message <[email protected]>
Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 13:11:05 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Don't know how you create a batch file,
>
>A BATch file at its most basic is simply a text file with a few
>instructions in it (the instructions are executed as if you typed them
>in).
>
>Use notepad and make a file called: ls.bat
>the contents of which will just be
>
>dir
>
>Put this in your root directory (C:\)
>type ls from a DOS prompt...
>
>(You'll see what I mean I guess)

Ahh yes, I understand what you mean, I think RISC OS calls this an Obey
file.

Regards,

Steve.


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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:27:55 +0100, Stephen Hull
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

[snip]

>>Don't know sorry, I'm still learning how to use XP. I would like to be
>>able to just press one button or one mouse click to shut the machine
>>down though and not have to do it via Start, Turn off computer, Shut
>>down.
>
>I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of typing
>and just before you saved.

Magic setting "auto save" ;)

Steve.




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In message <[email protected]>
Charlie Choc <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:45:19 +0100, Stephen Hull <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>
>>At least that has sorted the shutdown shortcut but what about start
up?
>>Is there a simple way to get past the "To begin click your user name"?
>>On earlier versions of windows you could just press "Escape" to get past
>>this login but there does not appear to be a way past it on XP.
>>
>Download the TweakUI PowerToy from
>http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
>and install it.
>
>In the 'logon' section select 'autologon'.

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>http://www.chocphoto.com

I should have read this before playing with the program.

I set "show no name" at logon and I could not get back into XP, I had to
re-install which meant I lost everything including RISC OS.
It has taken me a few days to put the system back to almost as is was,
However I only lost two months worth of stuff but it could have been
much worse.

Next time I'll RTFM (properly) ;)

Regards,

Steve.


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Stephen Hull wrote:

|| In message <[email protected]>
|| Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
||
||| On or around Sat, 08 Jul 2006 23:27:55 +0100, Stephen Hull
||| <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
||
|| [snip]
||
|||| Don't know sorry, I'm still learning how to use XP. I would like
|||| to be able to just press one button or one mouse click to shut the
|||| machine down though and not have to do it via Start, Turn off
|||| computer, Shut down.
|||
||| I wouldn't you'd inevitably do it by mistake after 30 minutes of
||| typing and just before you saved.
||
|| Magic setting "auto save" ;)

IIUIC, XP saves in the background anyway, without the need to set autosave
options as you did in W2K. Certainly, I have had powerouts (at work, not at
home, thank heavens) and on rebooting the machine has saved a recent version
of the document, usable if a little mangled.

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>| Don't know sorry, I'm still learning how to use XP. I would like
>| to be able to just press one button or one mouse click to shut the
> machine down though and not have to do it via Start, Turn off
>| computer, Shut down.

It's quite simple, use the power button on the front, XP will shut down
properly!!

Regards
Jeff


 
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