Woodburning Stove

trax said:

You sure that's right? Afaik, you can install any old stove but must use smokeless fuel.. or you can use an authorised stove and use wood.

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The title of the thread is woodburning stoves, if you want to burn wood in a controlled zone you need a compliant stove. These have been tested and shown to produce low emissions when woodburning (the air controls are set so you can't shut it down completely) Some stoves are also approved for coal burning.

Pikey said:

Not true as long as you have it inspected by Building control and they are happy that it meets regs. They will sign it off and your insurance will be fine

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You have to fill in a installation checklist form for building control, part of that is a smoke test, building control told me I needed a smoke test certificate with the form, building control do not supply a smoke test certificate.

Maybe you can print up your own smoke test certificate, the only place I could find one was off a HETAS reg chimney sweep.

Did you just print your own up then? would have saved me £40

Pumpy said:

You have to fill in a installation checklist form for building control, part of that is a smoke test, building control told me I needed a smoke test certificate with the form, building control do not supply a smoke test certificate.

Maybe you can print up your own smoke test certificate, the only place I could find one was off a HETAS reg chimney sweep.

Did you just print your own up then? would have saved me £40

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Not me. I was just pointing out that you are legally allowed to install your own stove as long as you follow regs and inform building control.

If you read the regs about the checklist form that has to be signed, you'll see it asks for membership of "HETAS,NACE,NAC" and your membership number of said organizations.

But then I read the regs and consulted BC when I installed mine, and posted on that basis, rather than what someone says on the internet

There's a whole ruck of BS rules to comply with. Who knows, maybe different authorities have different levels of jobsworths

The point is, read and comply with the regs, I don't think a defense of "but I was told x,y,z on the LZ forum" is going to help when BC come round to check it :lol:

Pumpy said:

If you read the regs about the checklist form that has to be signed, you'll see it asks for membership of "HETAS,NACE,NAC" and your membership number of said organizations.

But then I read the regs and consulted BC when I installed mine, and posted on that basis, rather than what someone says on the internet

There's a whole ruck of BS rules to comply with. Who knows, maybe different authorities have different levels of jobsworths

The point is, read and comply with the regs, I don't think a defense of "but I was told x,y,z on the LZ forum" is going to help when BC come round to check it :lol:

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Thought that's what I've been saying As long as you follow the regs and inform Building control you are legally allowed to install your own stove. A smoke test is a simple case of getting the flue warmed up. then throw a couple of smoke tablets in and seal bottom of flue. Once smoke starts to rise from top of flue then seal the top and search for smoke leaking. If you've used a SS flue and fitted it properly it's very unlikely that it'll fail the smoke test.

You said it was not correct that you need anything HETAS, If you read the regs about the checklist form that has to be signed, you'll see it asks for membership of "HETAS,NACE,NAC" and your membership number of said organizations.

maybe it's semantics, maybe it's pedantics :lol:

hawky666 said:

I have a very good one sat n my garage but am the opposite end of country to you.
Stormy Cornwall.

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Hawky what do you have.?! I don't mind travelling for the right one.

Pumpy said:

You said it was not correct that you need anything HETAS, If you read the regs about the checklist form that has to be signed, you'll see it asks for membership of "HETAS,NACE,NAC" and your membership number of said organizations.

maybe it's semantics, maybe it's pedantics :lol:

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just write na in the box

It was made by Kurnow stoves down here. It's an older one (older is often better) Flat topped for pans etc if power should fail. Has a back flew and nice wide door (no glass).
It will take logs up to about 18" (great capacity) and when its revved up you can hardly get near it.
I will try and get a pic or 2 tomorrow.

Dont know if it helps but done planning for a few a work, over 4.5kw you need building control. under that its easier. Its quite likely, depending on the building, and the jobsworthness of the BC you'll need smoke\fire detectors in some or all rooms. And they MUST be fed from an independantly isolated mains supply (no tapping into a ring main or lighting circuit with an mbc on) You might even need to fit intumescent fittings to some or all internal doors. Basically if it all goes tits up can you get out of a bedroom without getting fried or dying of smoke inhalation. And if youre thinking of adding a back boiler definalty get a professional to do the work and all the calcs - even down to the grade of solder and pressure vessels and so on. Look at some that have gone wrong and it'll seem the cheap option.

They fitted 2 huge wood burners in the factory at work to burn all the pallets and heat the factory

They stand about 10 ft high and really kick some heat out

The problem is the whole factory smells like a country pub in the winter

Whenever I go in there I want a pint and a ploughmans

The lads who work in there are getting grief from their wives because they stink of bonfires when they go home

Stove building regulations, UK stove building regs

Used this a reference when put mine in a good few years ago.

I am a chimney sweep and also fit/install stoves and chimney liners, please be carefull installing it yourself I see many a keen DIYer, engineer, builder etc fit them and some are death traps some are fitted well but not signed off so just as bad. Building control will sign them off if you pay them and do the correct paperwork for them but do not trust them to know the regs fully, had one recently that had been sign off by them and the stove pipe was only 2 inches from a wooden beam this was scorched and had been smokeing ready to combust maybe when they were in bed ?
If its a twin wall system then there is more to be considered as you are building a chimney and want it to work effectively, this is often the case even when so called HETAS fitters have done the install and the appliance smokes back into the room. Remember the regs are there for a reason they have to take into consideration the worst case senario ie a chimney fire when the temps can exceed the normall operating temps by as much as 100-200%.
It has become very trendy to have a stove and many cowboys are making £££ from poor work so just be carefull, the most common problems I encounter are lack of CO alarms and correct ventilation.
Yon can have a woodburner in a smoke control zone but it has to be a DEFRA approved appliance, avoid all the cheap chinese rubbish and buy a quality appliance the min cost for a good 5KW is around £6-800 pounds, I see so many poor stoves they fall apart after a couple of years, the air control is poor they are also very inefficent burning many times the amount of wood they should be for the heat given, mostly the custy has nothing to compare to, so to them its a good stove, if they had a GOOD stove they would know the difference.