Why do the simple jobs go wrong.......

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message -

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> >
> >The mind fair boggles when you remember the "U" stands for "unified".
> > UNC and UNF (Unified Coarse and Fine), although plenty of threads
continued to
> be used such as BS Cycle which used,

Don't forget the plumbers with their B.S.P (pipe) Austin ;-)

Seriously though, I wish they would have stuck with UNC / UNF, especially
the ones made by GKN, decent quality bolts, not the seemingly metric
rubbish produced today.

Martin

>
> Don't forget the plumbers with their B.S.P (pipe) Austin ;-)
>
> Seriously though, I wish they would have stuck with UNC / UNF,
> especially the ones made by GKN, decent quality bolts, not the
> seemingly metric rubbish produced today.
>
> Martin

I remember when it was decided to move away from Whitworth bolts on the
Centurion tank and someone forgot the left hand final drive assembly.

Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:25:56 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> Badger <[email protected]> writes
>>
>>> The bolts are 1/4 UNC thread, BTW, even the later ones with a bi-hex
>>> 8mm head!
>>
>> The mind fair boggles when you remember the "U" stands for "unified".
>>
>> I have visions of the fledgling US engineering industry with 20
>> different not-quite-matching variants of the same threads. Must
>> Google for the real history of these some time. Incidentally, my dad
>> and various other engineers have always said that the old non-metric
>> thread forms were better for different applications than the metric
>> 'compromises' (his word). I'm not well versed enough to know, but I
>> can see some sense in it - Whitworth, for example being designed to
>> undo even when badly abused or gunged up, or so I was told.
>
> The whitworth thread was "designed" by Whitworth who took and average
> of a selection of threads he had to hand at the time. Later the BS
> lot got a hold of it and at some point people decided that Whitworth
> was a rather coarse thread, and so you get BSF as well. When
> whitworth derived his standard, bolts were typically mostly rather
> coarse and crude, I suspect - witness the fact that most modern
> whitworth bolts have nuts and heads the next size down - the 1/4"
> whitworth spanner (about 13mm) fits bolts with a 5/16" diameter, and
> you hardly ever see 1/4" bolts with that size head.
>
> Meanwhile, other people came up with other standards, such as the SAE
> (Society of Automotive Engineers), which had different thread forms
> and different head sizes - measuring the head in inches across flats
> (which makes more sense, really). At some point, someone decided
> that it would be nice if all the inch-size threads fitted a common
> standard, and you got UNC and UNF (Unified Coarse and Fine), although
> plenty of threads continued to be used such as BS Cycle which used,
> IIRC, a whitworth thread form but with a standard pitch of 26 TPI
> irrespective of size) and BA (British Association - of what I forget)
> which are a law unto themselves but were for a long time used on
> electrical stuff - BA threads have a very narrow thread form, IIRC
> 37.5°.
>
> The people who were doing metric threads had less of a checkered
> history I think, probably mainly 'cos they started later and had the
> prior example of the muddle of imperial standards to steer clear of...
>
> somewhere I have a damned great document which lists almost every
> thread there is sorted by size.

I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out what's
what, along with Zeus tables ...

K


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Oily wrote:

> "Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message -
>
> <snip>
>
>>>The mind fair boggles when you remember the "U" stands for "unified".
>>> UNC and UNF (Unified Coarse and Fine), although plenty of threads
>
> continued to
>
>>be used such as BS Cycle which used,
>
>
> Don't forget the plumbers with their B.S.P (pipe) Austin ;-)
>
> Seriously though, I wish they would have stuck with UNC / UNF, especially
> the ones made by GKN, decent quality bolts, not the seemingly metric
> rubbish produced today.
>
> Martin

Some confusion beginning to be introduced here between thread forms,
pitches etc. on the one hand and the material on the other!

Karen Gallagher wrote:
>
> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out what's
> what, along with Zeus tables ...

You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
the other women like you?


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EMB

EMB wrote:
> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out
>> what's what, along with Zeus tables ...
>
> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
> the other women like you?

Having been raised on a farm there are few things any of us in my family
cannot do. I also have a couple degrees too though.

K


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

On or around Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:59 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out what's
>> what, along with Zeus tables ...
>
>You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
>the other women like you?

that's what I was thinking. 's enough to make one emigrate, I swear.
--
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"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
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....and Karen Gallagher spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> EMB wrote:
>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out
>>> what's what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>
>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
>> the other women like you?
>
> Having been raised on a farm there are few things any of us in my
> family cannot do. I also have a couple degrees too though.
>
> K

I bet you look like Elle McPherson too.

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==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Richard Brookman wrote:
> ...and Karen Gallagher spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>> EMB wrote:
>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out
>>>> what's what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>>
>>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are
>>> all the other women like you?
>>
>> Having been raised on a farm there are few things any of us in my
>> family cannot do. I also have a couple degrees too though.
>>
>> K
>
> I bet you look like Elle McPherson too.

Down, boys. I'm as old as the hills & twice as cranky

I was used as a model for some of the cast in Harry Potter - the warts on my
nose look SO theatrical ...

K


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"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

....and Karen Gallagher spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> Richard Brookman wrote:
>> ...and Karen Gallagher spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>>
>>
>>> EMB wrote:
>>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work
>>>>> out what's what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>>>
>>>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are
>>>> all the other women like you?
>>>
>>> Having been raised on a farm there are few things any of us in my
>>> family cannot do. I also have a couple degrees too though.
>>>
>>> K
>>
>> I bet you look like Elle McPherson too.
>
> Down, boys. I'm as old as the hills & twice as cranky
>
> I was used as a model for some of the cast in Harry Potter - the
> warts on my nose look SO theatrical ...
>
> K

Oh well, can't have everything.... The thought was nice while it lasted. A
sort of grown-up version of the "deaf, dumb blonde nymphomaniac who owns a
pub".



--
Rich
==============================

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:59 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out
>>> what's
>>> what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>
>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
>> the other women like you?
>
> that's what I was thinking. 's enough to make one emigrate, I swear.

heh - and the girl is a sys-admin too - now let me see, what else do we
need?

--
William Tasso

EMB wrote:

> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
> the other women like you?
I married the other one. She can write code too.

Steve

Dougal wrote:

> Some confusion beginning to be introduced here between thread forms,
> pitches etc. on the one hand and the material on the other!

Yes, but why are metric fasteners so manky ?

Steve

William Tasso wrote:
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:59 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out
>>>> what's
>>>> what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>>
>>>
>>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are all
>>> the other women like you?
>>
>>
>> that's what I was thinking. 's enough to make one emigrate, I swear.
>
>
> heh - and the girl is a sys-admin too - now let me see, what else do we
> need?
>
I'm sort of hoping she can cook too ;-)

--
EMB

Steve Taylor wrote:

> Dougal wrote:
>
>> Some confusion beginning to be introduced here between thread forms,
>> pitches etc. on the one hand and the material on the other!
>
>
> Yes, but why are metric fasteners so manky ?
>
> Steve

There's duff stuff in all the thread forms. Expand a bit more what you
mean by 'manky' and I'll try to explain what you are experiencing.

Richard Brookman wrote:

> Oh well, can't have everything.... The thought was nice while it lasted. A
> sort of grown-up version of the "deaf, dumb blonde nymphomaniac who owns a
> pub".


My kind of...they won't remember it was me the day after.....
Erik-Jan.

Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:
> Richard Brookman wrote:
>
>> Oh well, can't have everything.... The thought was nice while it
>> lasted. A sort of grown-up version of the "deaf, dumb blonde
>> nymphomaniac who owns a pub".
>
>
> My kind of...they won't remember it was me the day after.....
> Erik-Jan.

Deaf, no.
Blonde, yes.
Nympho .... I'll leave ONE of you to find out
Owns a pub, no. But I do have a nice wine cellar.

K


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

William Tasso wrote:
> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:59 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
>> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work out
>>>> what's
>>>> what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>>
>>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are
>>> all the other women like you?
>>
>> that's what I was thinking. 's enough to make one emigrate, I swear.
>
> heh - and the girl is a sys-admin too - now let me see, what else do
> we need?

As long as you don't ask me any questions on Land Rovers after the S11A -
never had the need to update a 4WD since then

And I notice my 38 year old S11A is worth more than a 10 year old Disco for
some bizarre reason. But then I do have a sexy little Honda as my main car
these days, the Series is only used when I need a 4WD, a ute, or a
dog-mobile. I don't think my IT clients would approve if I turned up to look
at their networks in a dirty, smelly (but practical) old LR - the oil stains
are hard for them to remove from their carpark tarmac.

K


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

EMB wrote:
> William Tasso wrote:
>> Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On or around Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:42:59 +1300, EMB <[email protected]>
>>> enlightened us thusly:
>>>
>>>> Karen Gallagher wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I keep a couple of A2 charts above my Myford lathe to help work
>>>>> out what's
>>>>> what, along with Zeus tables ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can weld, you can turn - what else can you do? And where are
>>>> all the other women like you?
>>>
>>>
>>> that's what I was thinking. 's enough to make one emigrate, I
>>> swear.
>>
>>
>> heh - and the girl is a sys-admin too - now let me see, what else do
>> we need?
>>
> I'm sort of hoping she can cook too ;-)

There are those who say I can

But I'm too old for most of you, I suspect. I got my Series (new) when I was
21, to give you hungry wolves a hint as to my age.

K
--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

Karen Gallagher wrote:
>
> Erik-Jan Geniets wrote:
> > Richard Brookman wrote:
> >
> >> Oh well, can't have everything.... The thought was nice while it
> >> lasted. A sort of grown-up version of the "deaf, dumb blonde
> >> nymphomaniac who owns a pub".
> >
> >
> > My kind of...they won't remember it was me the day after.....
> > Erik-Jan.
>
> Deaf, no.
> Blonde, yes.
> Nympho .... I'll leave ONE of you to find out
> Owns a pub, no. But I do have a nice wine cellar.
>

So far so good! Phone number?
Erik-Jan.