Which Winch Poll

I am looking at spending my hard borrowed cash on a shiny new winch and bumper for my 1984 Defender 90.

Which type of winch is better

I would highly recommend the Milemarker H12.

Best winch of all pto driven . 5 gears on it.

Hello Telaren, try this link!
http://www.britpart.com/page.asp?MenuRef=50,
It will guide you praps to the right electric winch but not to hydraulic. It also doesnt tell you (but I will).... Hydraulic winches (excepting those made by Superwinch for the Utility companies) all work off the existing hydraulic system which has very poor flow (no tank). Milemarker will pull and pull (like a snail), the only hydraulic winches that pull with any reasonable speed are commercial recovery winches designed to work with vehicles that have high rate pumps, oil coolers and tanks. Just look at the flow rates (speed) and pressure (torque) of Warn or Superwinch's commercial winch range with danfoss pumps etc.
My vote will always get electric and not just for speed but for always being there, what I mean is if your engine conks, your hydraulic winch will stop instantly, if your engine conks with an electric winch there should be enough charge to get you out of the clack (especially if you have had the foresight to fit deep cycle batteries!).
Enjoy!

Just some comparative speed data of Milemarker hydraulic with uprated ZF74 PAS pump vs electric versions (less the facts spoil an interesting debate). All data manufacturer's own.

Load (tonnes)--------Free spool-------2.6t------------4.3t
Milemarker H12---------7.2m/min-----3.6m/min-------2.1m/min
Warn HS 9500i----------5.5m/min----2.8m/min-------1.9m/min
Superwinch X9---------2.4m/min-----1.3m/min-------0.6m/min
Warn 8274------------22.2m/min-----2.9m/min-------n/a*

*(8274 max is 1.8m/min at 3.6t)

Plus a hydraulic winch won't go up in smoke, drain your battery or be noisy in operation. It just needs a running engine. As if it reaches full load it just stalls.

A hydraulic won't melt a plasma rope either, if you need to pay out much, get an 8274 or an hydraulic.

I don't buy the stalled engine scenario either. If I'm stuck with a stalled engine someone elase can recover me.

As said above, hydralic winches rely on your engine running, idealy it should be on to run an electric winch but lets say your engine gets water into it while your stuck in a bog, you can winch yourself out and hopefully sort the problem, with the hydralic your going to have to get your engine running perhaps in bad conditions before you can get out.

Dual battery setups are good for winches.

I think some of the figs quoted are suspicious (HS9500i went out production in 2004!) anyhow I am sure we all look forward to Warn and Superwinch making their hydraulic winches suitable for 4x4's (somebody ought to tell Land Rover special vehicles they no longer need to pay £5000 + for all the kit from Superwinch... they can now buy a Milemarker!!, and I'm even more sure that all those recovery truck builders are looking forward to a winch that doesnt need 60 litres of oil per min and up to 2000psi!

Yep, you're right. Some spurious data there. Just updated this from manufacturer's own websites for latest popular products.

Load (tonnes)--------Free spool-------2.6t------------4.3t
Milemarker H12---------7.2m/min-----3.6m/min-------2.1m/min
Warn 9.5 xp ----------11.6m/min----3.1m/min-------2.3m/min
Superwinch X9---------9.8/min----- 1.8m/min-------0.6m/min
Warn 8274------------22.2m/min-----2.9m/min-------n/a*

*(8274 max is 1.8m/min at 3.6t)

Oh Widget,
I despair of thee, your figs still aint right! I aint no lover of S'Winch but you quote the X9 as 4300kgs an it only pulls 4100kgs! You list the figs for 2600kgs (a critical load) when both Warn and S'Winch list those speeds for 2722kgs!
Methinks you bin readin Alfie Byrnes web claims an thinkin em gospel.... beware of Winch sellers who rubbish others rather than singin the praises of their own!

Smug pedant.

Resorting to insult typifies the loser.

winchboy said:

Resorting to insult typifies the loser.

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Exactly! You were correct and it was a tongue in cheek admission of being corrected down to the last detail.

Now **** off.

w-nker

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winchboy said:

Resorting to insult typifies the loser.

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i see from yer post count you int been around these parts long.... you need to read a few more threads before you start going on about insults .
****!

winchboy said:

w-nker

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winchboy said:

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So what you lost ****boy?

Never thought reading about a winch (such a dry subject) could be as much fun. Long may it last. Keep it up lads. Will do referee when it comes to pistols at 20 paces.

Indeed baggybonnet - but if yer winch is hydraulic, it would be a wet subject, would it not?

insults at computer distance are much more fun than pistols... and the entertainment value is prolonged

cuff 'em boys!

G

Now I see why you need green wellies.