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How is the law on springs and m.o.ts Ie,non standard springs.
P38A Which Springs?
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Airy fairy. Technically speaking the EAS lowers the C of G of the car for better stability at higher speeds. Fitting coils removes that built in safety feature. But as yet such modifications, like fitting lift kits, which have the same effect, are not covered in the MOT. If the EU gets it's way they soon maybe. It is in the pipeline to try to ban the use of non standard or non factory approved parts i believe. Watch this space.
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It's the unusual interlect that chooses it's position without regard to the parameters of discussion.That was the first answer to the question set, the rest were just personal opinions.
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Wonder what the position is in Portugal ? Things are tightening up in Spain, any failure on brakes, steering or suspension must be repaired by an approved garage and the invoice presented upon retest. They do check that tyres fitted to the car tally with the size's on the registration document.
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It's the unusual interlect that chooses it's position without regard to the parameters of discussion.
Leave it out Alan, if someone wants to buy a new Fiesta and re spec it as a Popular it's up to him. There are many reasons put forward for changing to coils, reliability in extreme situations being but one, but the main driver is mechanical incompetence. We have a member on here that travels the world on air springs, you don't get more extreme than that. EAS works for him.
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Morning Tony, you are quite right mate, wonder if he has considered stone wheels? Would negate the need for tyres. Time for the maintenance charger tomorrow so I will catch up with you in May.CheersLeave it out Alan, if someone wants to buy a new Fiesta and re spec it as a Popular it's up to him. There are many reasons put forward for changing to coils, reliability in extreme situations being but one, but the main driver is mechanical incompetence. We have a member on here that travels the world on air springs, you don't get more extreme than that. EAS works for him.
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Wonder what the position is in Portugal ? Things are tightening up in Spain, any failure on brakes, steering or suspension must be repaired by an approved garage and the invoice presented upon retest. They do check that tyres fitted to the car tally with the size's on the registration document.
Yep for sure. Lads father in law had his imported from UK Merc 4x4 failed in Spain because it had window tints applied and side steps that did not appear on registration papers. He had to remove the tints and side steps to get it through test. Then have steps refitted at a main dealers and added to documentation. To refit the tints he would have had to remove all the windows and fit Merc approved tinted glass. Whether they were just being pissy with an ex pat i don't know. But that is a true story.
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Morning Tony, you are quite right mate, wonder if he has considered stone wheels? Would negate the need for tyres. Time for the maintenance charger tomorrow so I will catch up with you in May.Cheers
Ok. Tener un buen descanso no más de hacerlo la bebida.
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I will and I cannot drink to much.Ok. Tener un buen descanso no más de hacerlo la bebida.
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I will and I cannot drink to much.
Stopping when it start to come out of your ears is a good thing.
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I find by tilting my head I can get an extra drink in.Stopping when it start to come out of your ears is a good thing.
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Thanks for all the hijacks lads.
Wammers your are quite right regarding the situation in Spain, it's the same over here, snorkels, winches and even under body protection plates are out of the question over here by law, although it all depends on which "MOT" center you go to. But, and this is the loop hole, you can get all those things fitted then "added" to the log book which then makes them all legal fittings.
As for my reason for the change, simple, cost effectiveness. I have thought before about it and although I really do love the EAS systems, there are situations beyond your control sometimes and this is one of them.
Wammers your are quite right regarding the situation in Spain, it's the same over here, snorkels, winches and even under body protection plates are out of the question over here by law, although it all depends on which "MOT" center you go to. But, and this is the loop hole, you can get all those things fitted then "added" to the log book which then makes them all legal fittings.
As for my reason for the change, simple, cost effectiveness. I have thought before about it and although I really do love the EAS systems, there are situations beyond your control sometimes and this is one of them.
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Hope it doesn't count to cars passing through. Mine's all original Range Rover but definitely a bit of a mongrel and how it compares to the logbook is anyone's guess.
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is headlamp levelling a requirement ? in order that if the vehicle is loaded at the rear there is a mechanism to prevent other drivers being blinded ? The P38 does not have this function as the EAS does the levelling job.
As such, could a stroppy tester fail the vehicle for non compliance if it is an EU requirement. Of course if the vehicle is not going to be used on public roads then its, moot, if it is, it's a question to investigate
As such, could a stroppy tester fail the vehicle for non compliance if it is an EU requirement. Of course if the vehicle is not going to be used on public roads then its, moot, if it is, it's a question to investigate
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from Wiki..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#Headlamp_leveling_systems
Headlamp leveling systems[edit]
Headlamp leveling
The 1948 Citroen 2CV was launched in France with a manual headlamp leveling system, controlled by the driver with knob through a mechanical rod linkage. This allowed the driver to adjust the vertical aim of the headlamps to compensate for the passenger and cargo load in the vehicle. In 1954, Cibié introduced an automatic headlamp leveling system linked to the vehicle's suspension system to keep the headlamps correctly aimed regardless of vehicle load, without driver intervention. The first vehicle to be so equipped was the Panhard Dyna Z. Beginning in the 1970s, Germany and some other European countries began requiring remote-control headlamp leveling systems that permit the driver to lower the lamps' aim by means of a dashboard control lever or knob if the rear of the vehicle is weighted down with passengers or cargo, which would tend to raise the lamps' aim angle and create glare. Such systems typically use stepper motors at the headlamp and a rotary switch on the dash marked "0", "1", "2", "3" for different beam heights, "0" being the "normal" (and highest) position for when the car is lightly loaded.
Internationalised ECE Regulation 48, in force in most of the world outside North America, currently specifies a limited range within which the vertical aim of the headlamps must be maintained under various vehicle load conditions; if the vehicle isn't equipped with an adaptive suspension sufficient to keep the headlamps aimed correctly regardless of load, a headlamp leveling system is required.[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headlamp#Headlamp_leveling_systems
Headlamp leveling systems[edit]
Headlamp leveling
The 1948 Citroen 2CV was launched in France with a manual headlamp leveling system, controlled by the driver with knob through a mechanical rod linkage. This allowed the driver to adjust the vertical aim of the headlamps to compensate for the passenger and cargo load in the vehicle. In 1954, Cibié introduced an automatic headlamp leveling system linked to the vehicle's suspension system to keep the headlamps correctly aimed regardless of vehicle load, without driver intervention. The first vehicle to be so equipped was the Panhard Dyna Z. Beginning in the 1970s, Germany and some other European countries began requiring remote-control headlamp leveling systems that permit the driver to lower the lamps' aim by means of a dashboard control lever or knob if the rear of the vehicle is weighted down with passengers or cargo, which would tend to raise the lamps' aim angle and create glare. Such systems typically use stepper motors at the headlamp and a rotary switch on the dash marked "0", "1", "2", "3" for different beam heights, "0" being the "normal" (and highest) position for when the car is lightly loaded.
Internationalised ECE Regulation 48, in force in most of the world outside North America, currently specifies a limited range within which the vertical aim of the headlamps must be maintained under various vehicle load conditions; if the vehicle isn't equipped with an adaptive suspension sufficient to keep the headlamps aimed correctly regardless of load, a headlamp leveling system is required.[10]
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You wouldn't have any problems. If it has an MOT it has an MOT and that is what counts. In my opinion all these "news" laws coming in against upgrades as pathetic really, what's the point of an MOT? If you pass it means your car is road worthy. If something like a snorkel is fitted correctly how in hell is it going to cause a ruddy problem, or should I say why would it be a ruddy problem.
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I wouldn't rely on passing an MOT making a car roadworthy. There are many safety related items on a car that a tester is not allowed to check. e.g. if a car is designed to have 5 bolts or nuts holding each wheel in place but has only one fitted to each wheel and the wheels have trims fitted covering the bolts/nuts the tester will not fail the car as they cannot remove the wheel trim to check. Same goes for rotten sills hidden by body kits. There are also MOT stations that will pass a car in any condition for the right money/ mate of a mate etc. This includes multi national franchises. Thankfully they are in the minority. The MOT applies to the vehicle as presented at the time of test. There is nothing to stop the owner making any kind of modification afterwards and driving it on the highway for twelve months in a dangerous condition. The " modifications" you see day to day in a testing station make your hair curl. ( if you have any left). I have been away from what was then VOSA for four years so things may have changed for the better, but I doubt it.
Used to know a guy who had a "racing wheel" in his 1.nothing ecobox. Completely obscured the dials. Come MoT season he'd change the steering wheel over, get his pass then change it back. I also recall a Rover coming in for MoT which had a skirt on the side half hanging off which allowed the tester to take a look at the sills, the B pillar was no longer attached at the bottom due to rust. But it had passed every year before as no one could inspect it.
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I purchased mine with coils already fitted, but now wish it had the original air suspension fitted , I tend to find the ride harsh and not as plush as I expected , If I could convert without too much cost I would .
