What's the difference?
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Completely different really.
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Completely different really.
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They are all quite similar in many ways. They all use the basic same block, although it is strengthened in the 200 vs the 19j, allowing the Tdi to run more boost with an intercooler and make quite a bit more power. The 300 does address some areas of the 200 such as introducing a serpentine belt system. And it is arguably more refined, but I believe it was largely developed to reduce production costs of the 200 and allow a single installation across models.
Good info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_engines
Good info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_Rover_engines
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They are probably better engines, but there is the expense and hassle of the conversion.
And it makes life more difficult with parts ordering, because the same suppliers often don't do Ford or Isuzu parts as well as Landrover parts.
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The most important difference is the ladder frame bolted under the block on a Tdi, which makes the block much stiffer and more resistant to cracking.
Plus alloy head and intercooler.
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There are engine conversions out there. Although by and large pretty rare. Certainly post 'Defender' (and 200Tdi) launch. As the 200Tdi is a very good performer and there was no real gain in swapping it out for another 4 pot diesel engine.
By and large I'd say I don't get most of the non Land Rover engine swaps. None seem to offer enough benefits over the Land Rover engines to be worth the hassle and cost and reduce resale cost. And interestingly many seem to perform worse than the Land Rover engines....
Remember unless it is 1990 or newer, it technically isn't a "Defender".
Interestingly 2007 onwards, all Defenders come factory fitted with a "Transit" engine.
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My 1987 90 was a 19J and has been swapped for a 200TDi as the original ate itself. I am very happy with the 200
Much weaker engine, have to be pampered to survive any length of time.
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What miles were on it when it gave up?My 1987 90 was a 19J and has been swapped for a 200TDi as the original ate itself. I am very happy with the 200
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Around 110,000 so it did well. The 'new' engine came from a Discovery along with the axles etc and has made it a nicer vehicle.
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If looked after, they can go on quite a long time.
But expect regular head gasket changes, replacement of swirl chamber caps, maybe a new head occasionally, stuff like that.
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With the exception of changing 19js for other engines, engine transplants from other vehicles are something I associate more with Series than Defenders. While a Series was an OK vehicle, the diesel engines frankly weren't an OK engine.There are engine conversions out there. Although by and large pretty rare. Certainly post 'Defender' (and 200Tdi) launch. As the 200Tdi is a very good performer and there was no real gain in swapping it out for another 4 pot diesel engine.
By and large I'd say I don't get most of the non Land Rover engine swaps. None seem to offer enough benefits over the Land Rover engines to be worth the hassle and cost and reduce resale cost. And interestingly many seem to perform worse than the Land Rover engines....
Remember unless it is 1990 or newer, it technically isn't a "Defender".
Interestingly 2007 onwards, all Defenders come factory fitted with a "Transit" engine.
So a lot got changed for Perkins, sometimes Isuzu or Toyota, and the odd Ford V6 or Rover V8 for those who weren't worried about fuel costs.
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Disagree completely.
We have 3 19j’s on the farm. The lowest mileage one is on 150,000 miles and the highest about 240,000 miles.
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Mine was quite good for chugging around the farm.
It didn't much like high speed long distance, or towing on main roads,
But I did it anyway!
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Thanks for the info everyone.
If you were not buying as a purist (or buying as a purist with limited finances) which of the following would you be more interested in, a 1987 CSW with a 19j at 140k miles for £10k or a 1987 CSW with an isuzu engine with a reported 77k miles for £8k?
If you were not buying as a purist (or buying as a purist with limited finances) which of the following would you be more interested in, a 1987 CSW with a 19j at 140k miles for £10k or a 1987 CSW with an isuzu engine with a reported 77k miles for £8k?
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At that money, neither.
If I wanted one, I might go for the 19j engined Ninety, but I wouldn't pay more than 5k.
