What should I be looking for in a winch?

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Just say for example I was looking for a winch/bumper combo for my D1 300TDi (manual, no A/C) what thould I be looking for?

Im totally new to them so what kind of spec should I want?? My Disco is not a challenge vehicle, will be used for green laning and pay/play days.

I know how to use winches etc as i'm a recovery driver so can get all the kit I need to get me unstuck but its the actual winch itself I would like to pontentially look for.

Cheers :)
 
What I should have said was what brands should be avoided and which ones to look out for, I dont want to spend thousands on one as it'll only have occasional use.

Also, anyone know of any good deals on them?
 
For starters, you need to know what parts are required, and what different winches are available...the main two are electric and hydraulic.
Electric winches are (relatively) easy to fit, then run off battery. They can run when your engine is not running, but can drain your battery, so many regular users opt for twin battery and split charging kit. Problems with electric winches include water damnage caused to motor or electrical solenoids. motors can burn out too.

Hydraulic winches are a bit more involved to fit, as you have to fit some source of Hydraulic power, most people use a power steering pump. Hydraulic winches have faster line speeds, can sometimes pull more than an electric winch, are a million times less susceptible to water damage. Hydraulic winches need the engine to be running in order to work.


Winch rating is usually 1.5 times the weight of your car, ie a 2 ton car requires a 3 ton winch. most people go with around 9000lbs ( over 4tons).

The best make (in my opinion) is Warn, however, they tend to be much more expensive than other winches. Sup[erwinch are also good.

I beleive Ramsey are a good hydraulic winch company, as are milemarker, however I HAVE NEVER USED OR OWNED A HYDRAULIC WINCH.]
Hopefully somebody who has, can give more advice.

I have had a Warn 9.5ti before, which was very good, I now have a Warn 9.5 xp which is also very good and fast.

The main winch used for competiotions is the Warn 8274, a monster of a winch, which can be extensively modified for higher performance.

The cable on the winch can either be a steel cable, which is strong, relatively maintenance free, and very cheap to replace, or synthetic rope, which is very light, but very expensive. I beleive synthetic rope floats too. synthetic rope can melt on some winches, which have a brake inside the rope drum.
The main benefit of paying around £200 for synthetic rope, as opposed to £40 for steel, is that if a steel cable snaps, it will recoil at great speed and could easily kill somebody. A synthetic rope will fall to the ground if it snaps.

Winch mount is dependent on tast, requirements and budget, but the main thing is that it is well constructed, and mounted correctly. The mount should anchor your winch to the chassis, in order to take the loads imposed on it. Some winches are just bolted onto bumpers - if used, the bumpers can simply peel away from the car, or they can shear at the wrong time, causing injury etc.

You'll also need come battery cable, to connect your winch up to your battery and you could fit an isolation solenoid too (switch on your dash which either supplies power, or cuts power to your winch)

You'll also need to buy a winching kit, which usually consists of a few strops, shackles, tree savers and snatch block. If you're in recovery, Im sure you'll have these anyway.
Dont forget a decent pair of thick leather gloves too.

Some cheaper winches are available, but the general concensus (I beleive) is that you get what you pay for. Google it and you'll se pics of many a cheap Chinese winch in bits. There are many satisfied owners of these winches too, but if it were me, I'd surf ebay etc for a second hand Warn winch, in good condition, rather than a brand new cheap winch, which may let you down.

heres a couple of examples - bear in mind that these winches are over £1000 brand new...



Warn Winch 9.5 XP Electric Winch - 6HP / 9500LB - NEW on eBay (end time 15-Jun-10 18:30:09 BST)


WARN 9.5TI WINCH 6 MONTHS OLD on eBay (end time 16-Jun-10 20:03:13 BST)
 
Thanks for that but I still need to know what sort of thing i'm looking for!

Unfortunately the only person that knows that is you.

You say you use winches at work for recovery. What sort of trucks do you drive at work. spec, beavertail, slide back, twin deck? what sort of winches, leccy or hydraulic? what make?

There are very few winches out there that can handle being submerged. For laning trips it is VERY rare that you will need a winch. I probably only used mine a couple of times when laning. Most of the use mine had was for work.
 
. For laning trips it is VERY rare that you will need a winch.

exactly, which is why a ultra reliable manual winch (which can be kept in the boot) is better than a shiny "come steal me" bumper mounted one

a know am fighting a loosing battle again ......
 
exactly, which is why a ultra reliable manual winch (which can be kept in the boot) is better than a shiny "come steal me" bumper mounted one

a know am fighting a loosing battle again ......

I agree wiv ya Sean.

I'm still keeping my eyes open for a cheap tirfor myself. Sods law says everytime one comes up cheap it's somewhere obsecure and pick-up only or I'm skint.:doh: I've got a perfectly good leccy winch sat in my shed on my old winch bumper and have a pto shaft driven superwinch fitted that I put on a year ago and still haven't got around to sorting a shaft out for.:eek:
 
I agree wiv ya Sean.

I'm still keeping my eyes open for a cheap tirfor myself. Sods law says everytime one comes up cheap it's somewhere obsecure and pick-up only or I'm skint.:doh: I've got a perfectly good leccy winch sat in my shed on my old winch bumper and have a pto shaft driven superwinch fitted that I put on a year ago and still haven't got around to sorting a shaft out for.:eek:

I agree with Sean and Ratty. I just bought a Tirfor T35 at the Insideout 4x4 autojumble on Sunday. It is a bit bigger than I need but it was a steal. I'll just need to always carry a big strapping lad with me when I'm laning. ;)
 
I agree with Sean and Ratty. I just bought a Tirfor T35 at the Insideout 4x4 autojumble on Sunday. It is a bit bigger than I need but it was a steal. I'll just need to always carry a big strapping lad with me when I'm laning. ;)

Are you gonna let them sit inside this time or do they have to hang on on the outside again?:D:D:D
 
and when the battery is flat, or the motors burnt out, or the solenoid contacts have fried ?

of course there's always a few trees planted in just the right places

Thanks for your 'comments' but if i'd have been interested in an hand winch then I would have asked for information on one.....but I dont hence why I asked about winches/bumpers. I have a hand winch here if I need one!


For starters, you need to know what parts are required, and what different winches are available...the main two are electric and hydraulic.
Electric winches are (relatively) easy to fit, then run off battery. They can run when your engine is not running, but can drain your battery, so many regular users opt for twin battery and split charging kit. Problems with electric winches include water damnage caused to motor or electrical solenoids. motors can burn out too.

Hydraulic winches are a bit more involved to fit, as you have to fit some source of Hydraulic power, most people use a power steering pump. Hydraulic winches have faster line speeds, can sometimes pull more than an electric winch, are a million times less susceptible to water damage. Hydraulic winches need the engine to be running in order to work.


Winch rating is usually 1.5 times the weight of your car, ie a 2 ton car requires a 3 ton winch. most people go with around 9000lbs ( over 4tons).

The best make (in my opinion) is Warn, however, they tend to be much more expensive than other winches. Sup[erwinch are also good.

I beleive Ramsey are a good hydraulic winch company, as are milemarker, however I HAVE NEVER USED OR OWNED A HYDRAULIC WINCH.]
Hopefully somebody who has, can give more advice.

I have had a Warn 9.5ti before, which was very good, I now have a Warn 9.5 xp which is also very good and fast.

The main winch used for competiotions is the Warn 8274, a monster of a winch, which can be extensively modified for higher performance.

The cable on the winch can either be a steel cable, which is strong, relatively maintenance free, and very cheap to replace, or synthetic rope, which is very light, but very expensive. I beleive synthetic rope floats too. synthetic rope can melt on some winches, which have a brake inside the rope drum.
The main benefit of paying around £200 for synthetic rope, as opposed to £40 for steel, is that if a steel cable snaps, it will recoil at great speed and could easily kill somebody. A synthetic rope will fall to the ground if it snaps.

Winch mount is dependent on tast, requirements and budget, but the main thing is that it is well constructed, and mounted correctly. The mount should anchor your winch to the chassis, in order to take the loads imposed on it. Some winches are just bolted onto bumpers - if used, the bumpers can simply peel away from the car, or they can shear at the wrong time, causing injury etc.

You'll also need come battery cable, to connect your winch up to your battery and you could fit an isolation solenoid too (switch on your dash which either supplies power, or cuts power to your winch)

You'll also need to buy a winching kit, which usually consists of a few strops, shackles, tree savers and snatch block. If you're in recovery, Im sure you'll have these anyway.
Dont forget a decent pair of thick leather gloves too.

Some cheaper winches are available, but the general concensus (I beleive) is that you get what you pay for. Google it and you'll se pics of many a cheap Chinese winch in bits. There are many satisfied owners of these winches too, but if it were me, I'd surf ebay etc for a second hand Warn winch, in good condition, rather than a brand new cheap winch, which may let you down.

heres a couple of examples - bear in mind that these winches are over £1000 brand new...



Warn Winch 9.5 XP Electric Winch - 6HP / 9500LB - NEW on eBay (end time 15-Jun-10 18:30:09 BST)


WARN 9.5TI WINCH 6 MONTHS OLD on eBay (end time 16-Jun-10 20:03:13 BST)

Thanks for that Mike, I would favour electric over hydraulic from a personal point of view as an electric one would be much simpler to install and easier to sell on should the time come. Branding is something im not familiar with, someone I know has a TMaxwinch and swears by it, I have heard of Warn too....i'll keep an eye out for a Warn at the right price!

Unfortunately the only person that knows that is you.

You say you use winches at work for recovery. What sort of trucks do you drive at work. spec, beavertail, slide back, twin deck? what sort of winches, leccy or hydraulic? what make?

There are very few winches out there that can handle being submerged. For laning trips it is VERY rare that you will need a winch. I probably only used mine a couple of times when laning. Most of the use mine had was for work.

At work I use everything! Currently using a 5t slidebed, a 10t slidebed and a wrecker. Everything on out fleet is hydraulic and all running steel ropes. Not sure on the makes to be honest as i'm not currently near one....
I know a few people that have winches for laning and although they dont get used all the time theyre still a handy thing to have should someone get stuck. Would be nice to know that I have a way out if I run out of talent lol
Because of where I work it could also be good to have one should someone have a car to recover that they cant get near, its happened a few times where colleagues have had to struggle to get their recovery vehicle anywhere near the car needing loading....
 
Is there anything wrong with manual winches apart from the hard work and sweat?
what should they be rated for? the same weight of the car or twice as much etc?
 
Thanks for your 'comments' but if i'd have been interested in an hand winch then I would have asked for information on one.....but I dont hence why I asked about winches/bumpers. I have a hand winch here if I need one!




Thanks for that Mike, I would favour electric over hydraulic from a personal point of view as an electric one would be much simpler to install and easier to sell on should the time come. Branding is something im not familiar with, someone I know has a TMaxwinch and swears by it, I have heard of Warn too....i'll keep an eye out for a Warn at the right price!



At work I use everything! Currently using a 5t slidebed, a 10t slidebed and a wrecker. Everything on out fleet is hydraulic and all running steel ropes. Not sure on the makes to be honest as i'm not currently near one....
I know a few people that have winches for laning and although they dont get used all the time theyre still a handy thing to have should someone get stuck. Would be nice to know that I have a way out if I run out of talent lol
Because of where I work it could also be good to have one should someone have a car to recover that they cant get near, its happened a few times where colleagues have had to struggle to get their recovery vehicle anywhere near the car needing loading....

Lets start with the obvious then. What's your budget for a winch and bumper?

A cheap leccy winch will cost you around £250. A decent leccy winch will set you back up to £600. A cheap winch bumper will set you back around £100. A decent winch bumper will set you back around £200-£300.

For £450 you can get a pto shaft driven superwinch complete with bumper on ebay.

A hydraulic set-up will cost you around £1000 plus the cost of the bumper.

I would rate superwinch over warn any day of the week. I use ONLY supuerwinch at work. The warns can't handle hard work. All of our trucks that have warn winches have had winch issues. We're currently getting a warn hydraulic winch that is mounted on one of our 14 tons slide beds rebuit. It's only 2 years old and hardly ever does any work. It decided to let go a couple of weeks back while loading a van. I use 8000lb rated superwinch hydraulic winches and have never had one fail on me no matter what I ask it to move.

T-max winches from what I can tell are just the cheap chinese winches you see on ebay that have had the t-max brand slapped on em. (can anyone verify this?)

If you decide to go the leccy winch route you will need to make sure that you isolate it properly cos when they carry on going things can get very nasty very quickly.

If you want a general purpose winch then I still stand by what Sean, Medusa and myself have said. Get a tirfor.
 
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