What Causes Head Gaskets to Go - Is it avoidable?

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> There's only one particular variant of the Elise that has that
> reputation, it might be the 111s, I can't quite remember. Other than
> that they've got a good rep. Elises get slagged off because they're
> British (more or less), a strange disease we seem to have in this
> country.
>


not just in your country. the british cars cop a bit of slagging over here
in Aus too. I'm holding up the fort telling everyone that the poms make
great cars, but sometimes i don't know why i bother. every time i look at
that stupid 2.6 litre 6 cylinder motor in my series 3 i say to myself "What
were they thinking."

Sam.


 

"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> People Hi,
>
> I guess this is now an ISUZU related topic (not that I have any problem
> with
> it)
>
> But can we also get back into what may trigger a head gasket or a cylinder
> head to fry and how to avoid this?
>
> Especially when alloy cylinder heads are concerned (where most of the
> problems tend to appear AFAIK)


I don't think that it is closely related to head material. My old 110 with
cast head did pop a gasket once. It is the only time the head has been off.
Mind you, cast iron heads are less likely to be severely damaged when the
gasket does go but having said that the alloy head in my old Shogun 2.5
diesel went and it too suffered no damage and went for a long time
afterwards.


>
> I think having the cylinder head checked for flatness and then properly
> tightening the head bolts and replacing them is a very good measure when
> you
> happen to remove the cylinder head and reinstalling it.
> Any other advice?
>


Drivers should have a 'feel' for their drive and detect and rectify any
faults immediately and hopefully before any collateral damage occurs.

Huw


 
On or around Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:56:56 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:
>
>Both engines are capable of 250,000 miles or more in the right hands. I have
>seen examples of this.
>The older square troopers with the 2.8 are a dying breed due to age and
>chassis corrosion more than power-train failure.


I've seen the 2.8 kind with lunar distances on and still pulling like a
train...

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On or around Sun, 20 Nov 2005 10:20:48 +0200, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>People Hi,
>
>I guess this is now an ISUZU related topic (not that I have any problem with
>it)
>
>But can we also get back into what may trigger a head gasket or a cylinder
>head to fry and how to avoid this?
>
>Especially when alloy cylinder heads are concerned (where most of the
>problems tend to appear AFAIK)
>
>I think having the cylinder head checked for flatness and then properly
>tightening the head bolts and replacing them is a very good measure when you
>happen to remove the cylinder head and reinstalling it.
>Any other advice?


not really. Keep the surfaces clean when assembling, keep an eye on water
level and temperature gauge when running.

check the block for flatness as well.
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brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25
 
On or around Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:12:47 +1100, "Samuel"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>> There's only one particular variant of the Elise that has that
>> reputation, it might be the 111s, I can't quite remember. Other than
>> that they've got a good rep. Elises get slagged off because they're
>> British (more or less), a strange disease we seem to have in this
>> country.
>>

>
>not just in your country. the british cars cop a bit of slagging over here
>in Aus too. I'm holding up the fort telling everyone that the poms make
>great cars, but sometimes i don't know why i bother. every time i look at
>that stupid 2.6 litre 6 cylinder motor in my series 3 i say to myself "What
>were they thinking."


they wanted a more powerful engine for the series motors to help sell 'em to
the yanks, and the IoE 6 was available from stock.

It is of course the big brother of the IoE 4 which they had in the SI
anyway... what I don't understand is why they didn't just fit the 3-litre
version.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Brevis esse laboro, Obscurus fio" (it is when I struggle to be
brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25
 
Austin Hi,

maybe it was a bit more torquey than allowed by the specifications of the
transmission system?

Take care
Pantelis

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:12:47 +1100, "Samuel"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >> There's only one particular variant of the Elise that has that
> >> reputation, it might be the 111s, I can't quite remember. Other than
> >> that they've got a good rep. Elises get slagged off because they're
> >> British (more or less), a strange disease we seem to have in this
> >> country.
> >>

> >
> >not just in your country. the british cars cop a bit of slagging over

here
> >in Aus too. I'm holding up the fort telling everyone that the poms make
> >great cars, but sometimes i don't know why i bother. every time i look at
> >that stupid 2.6 litre 6 cylinder motor in my series 3 i say to myself

"What
> >were they thinking."

>
> they wanted a more powerful engine for the series motors to help sell 'em

to
> the yanks, and the IoE 6 was available from stock.
>
> It is of course the big brother of the IoE 4 which they had in the SI
> anyway... what I don't understand is why they didn't just fit the 3-litre
> version.
>
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> "Brevis esse laboro, Obscurus fio" (it is when I struggle to be
> brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25



 

"Huw" <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> What is people's experience. Is it 'abuse' or inevitable on a
>> particular engine.
>>
>> The 1.8 Freelander engines are obviously a bit prone to it but the same
>> engine didn't have problems in the Rover cars so this would indicate
>> because the Freelander is heavier and the engine is working harder
>> there is a much greater chance of it going.

>
> The 1.8 is prone to gasket failures wherever it finds a home. Just one
> look at the gasket, noting the width between cylinders and galleries gives
> a clue as to why. Those spindely long 'through bolts' don't inspire much
> confidence in me either.
>
>
>
>>
>> I've read posts indicating that revving above 3K when cold is much more
>> likely to cause it and to let the car warm up for 10 min - a pain on a
>> 20min drive to work and back!

>
> All engines should be warmed before subjecting to heavy load, even at low
> revs. Highly stressed engines, especially those known to blow head gaskets
> should be driven especially carefully when cold. The reason is that metal
> expands when hot and contracts when cold. It is not the relitive movement
> that is especially important as that is usually catered for. It is the
> fact that usually the maximum clamping force of the head is not achieved
> until both head and block are expanded by heat.
> In the case of the 1.8 I suspect that those long bolts expand reitively
> more than traditional short studs and perhaps the engine is always prone
> to gasket failure even when hot. There is also very little coolant in
> these engines. It is probably the combination of factors that cause the
> undoubted propensity to blow.


The early versions of these K series motors suffered badly from head gasket
failures, partly due to the use of plastic dowels between the head and block
for location purposes. it is said that the plastic dowels allow the head and
block to creep slightly, this creeping being the cause of most gasket
failures. it normally manifests itself as a coolant leak somewhere along the
edge of the gasket to the outside world, and if left unattended for any
length of time results in total gasket failure. If you spot the weep at the
gasket line early enough, replacing with a kit containing steel dowels and a
very good quality gasket seems to effect a cure.
That's been the case with the ones I've done, anyway.
Badger.


 
> >> There's only one particular variant of the Elise that has that
> >> reputation, it might be the 111s, I can't quite remember. Other than
> >> that they've got a good rep. Elises get slagged off because they're
> >> British (more or less), a strange disease we seem to have in this
> >> country.
> >>

> >
> >not just in your country. the british cars cop a bit of slagging over

here
> >in Aus too. I'm holding up the fort telling everyone that the poms make
> >great cars, but sometimes i don't know why i bother. every time i look at
> >that stupid 2.6 litre 6 cylinder motor in my series 3 i say to myself

"What
> >were they thinking."

>
> they wanted a more powerful engine for the series motors to help sell 'em

to
> the yanks, and the IoE 6 was available from stock.
>


thats right. but its still a very inappropriate motor. silky smooth and
quite torquey, but lacking in the durability and reliability aspects. and a
****ing thirsty bugger. mine chews through about 25+ litres of LPG or petrol
for every 100 ks.

> It is of course the big brother of the IoE 4 which they had in the SI
> anyway... what I don't understand is why they didn't just fit the 3-litre
> version.


true. and the ioe 4 cylinder was ripped out of an earlier rover wasn't it?
so the motor in my 1978 landy is almost identical in design to one built in
the 1930's.


 
On or around Mon, 21 Nov 2005 18:35:44 +1100, "Samuel"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>>
>> they wanted a more powerful engine for the series motors to help sell 'em

>to
>> the yanks, and the IoE 6 was available from stock.
>>

>
>thats right. but its still a very inappropriate motor. silky smooth and
>quite torquey, but lacking in the durability and reliability aspects. and a
>****ing thirsty bugger. mine chews through about 25+ litres of LPG or petrol
>for every 100 ks.
>
>> It is of course the big brother of the IoE 4 which they had in the SI
>> anyway... what I don't understand is why they didn't just fit the 3-litre
>> version.

>
>true. and the ioe 4 cylinder was ripped out of an earlier rover wasn't it?
>so the motor in my 1978 landy is almost identical in design to one built in
>the 1930's.
>


yep. Actually, I think they considered the 3-litre for the range rover,
before buying the V8 instead.
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Huw wrote:

> Both engines are capable of 250,000 miles or more in the right hands. I have
> seen examples of this.
> The older square troopers with the 2.8 are a dying breed due to age and
> chassis corrosion more than power-train failure.
> The newer 3.0 engine can be a disaster in the best of hands.
>


Thanks Huw - sorry to drift OT.


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