Well I've set a new record for Landrover ownership...

On or around Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:08:31 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Kids treated it as an adventure and will probably be staunch RAC members
>when they grow up - though they all seem to **** in the same pot.

I reckon it's luck of the draw. You hear just as many stories about all the
major breakdown types.

Mind you, I have to say the AA hasn't showed the improvement in service and
wotever that Centera promised us all when they bribed us to vote for their
buy-out bid. And I have to hold my hand up to taking the bribe and voting
"yes"; and I'm still a member, but I don't call on them much.

One of my beefs is that the people on the callcentre don't pass on any info.
e.g. I say to them "the thing's got a flat battery, I think I've fixed the
dynamo by hitting it with a hammer, but I'm not about to set off into the
depths of wales at 10:30 pm without checking it, and I've not got my test
meter with me, so if you can send someone with a test meter they can see if
it's charging".

what got passed to the independant sub-contractor who (eventually) attended
was "flat battery". Now, if they'd told him what I said, he'd have
understood, as would their roadside patrol, and would have known what the
situation was.
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"Marc Draper" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>, Lee_D
> <[email protected]> writes
>>A case of the end of an era with Morph and the start of an expensive
>>episode
>>with Snowy....
>
>
>
> If it lost drive and made crunching noises it has probably ripped the
> centre out of the clutch.
>
> The gearbox output shaft failure is always silent....
>
> Hope it is clutch as it is much cheaper.
> --
The clutch was on the heavy side it has to be said, but worked fine!

On 2006-11-09, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> what got passed to the independant sub-contractor who (eventually) attended
> was "flat battery". Now, if they'd told him what I said, he'd have
> understood, as would their roadside patrol, and would have known what the
> situation was.

The call handler will have a database screen with tick boxes, and you
mentioned a battery, so....

It's progress innit!

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In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Wed, 8 Nov 2006 23:08:31 -0000, "Lee_D"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Kids treated it as an adventure and will probably be staunch RAC members
> >when they grow up - though they all seem to **** in the same pot.
>
> I reckon it's luck of the draw. You hear just as many stories about all the
> major breakdown types.
>
> Mind you, I have to say the AA hasn't showed the improvement in service and
> wotever that Centera promised us all when they bribed us to vote for their
> buy-out bid. And I have to hold my hand up to taking the bribe and voting
> "yes"; and I'm still a member, but I don't call on them much.
>
> One of my beefs is that the people on the callcentre don't pass on any info.
> e.g. I say to them "the thing's got a flat battery, I think I've fixed the
> dynamo by hitting it with a hammer, but I'm not about to set off into the
> depths of wales at 10:30 pm without checking it, and I've not got my test
> meter with me, so if you can send someone with a test meter they can see if
> it's charging".
>
> what got passed to the independant sub-contractor who (eventually) attended
> was "flat battery". Now, if they'd told him what I said, he'd have
> understood, as would their roadside patrol, and would have known what the
> situation was.

To be fair to them, they probably get a huge percentage of calls
form people who haven't a clue, and worse, ones who haven't and think
they do. It never ceases to amaze me that we only ever get the
whole story about the circumstances of a failure *after* we've
already worked it out for ourselves in the workshop. A lot
of people seem to think it will be cheaper, and somehow easier to
fix, if they just give us a version that is "economical with the
truth".....

Richard
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Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-11-09, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> But if I've read your quote correctly it relates to Vehicles covered, not
>> Persons covered in which case I'm covered.
>
> Err, yep, I mustn't post too early in the morning/too late at
> night/too close to mid-day.
>
>> Is there some other small print relative to person cover which stipulates
>> ages of vehicles for personal cover? I'm sure I'd have been told to FRO if
>> there was (as a money saving exercise by the AA).
>
> Doesn't seem to be from my quick zip through, I'll be going through it
> all with a fine-toothed comb at some point this month while I decide
> what insurance to get, and will quiz the military club about which
> service seems to work best for them too. If any nasty gotchas pop up
> I'll post sommat under a new thread.
>

My 101 insurance offered roadside recovery, replacement vehicle cover
etc - for anything up to a tank.
Sureterm ?

Steve

In message <[email protected]>
steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

> Ian Rawlings wrote:
> > On 2006-11-09, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> But if I've read your quote correctly it relates to Vehicles covered, not
> >> Persons covered in which case I'm covered.
> >
> > Err, yep, I mustn't post too early in the morning/too late at
> > night/too close to mid-day.
> >
> >> Is there some other small print relative to person cover which stipulates
> >> ages of vehicles for personal cover? I'm sure I'd have been told to FRO if
> >> there was (as a money saving exercise by the AA).
> >
> > Doesn't seem to be from my quick zip through, I'll be going through it
> > all with a fine-toothed comb at some point this month while I decide
> > what insurance to get, and will quiz the military club about which
> > service seems to work best for them too. If any nasty gotchas pop up
> > I'll post sommat under a new thread.
> >
>
> My 101 insurance offered roadside recovery, replacement vehicle cover
> etc - for anything up to a tank.

What about the rest of the vehicle?

> Sureterm ?
>
> Steve

Richard

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On 2006-11-09, steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

> My 101 insurance offered roadside recovery, replacement vehicle cover
> etc - for anything up to a tank.

So does mine, the reason I'm considering AA/RAC is because I have four
cars and adding breakdown cover to the insurance for just two of them
costs more than AA/RAC cover.

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"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 2006-11-08, steve Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Stick with the RAC in future - both turnouts in less than an hour.
>
> ISTR there being issues with the AA terms and conditions as well
> regarding vehicle age, I am looking to replace my insurance recovery
> deals that are all per-vehicle with one that covers me, and the AA
> seems to be the most restrictive on the type of vehicle that they'll
> cover under such policies.
>
> Hold on;
>
> --------------------
> Vehicle Membership - additional restrictions:
>
> In addition to the Vehicle Type, Weight and Size Restrictions listed
> above (which apply to any vehicle which is registered with the AA for
> cover under Vehicle Membership) the AA's UK Breakdown Assistance
> Services are only available under Vehicle Membership for a vehicle
> which:
>
> a) has been registered with, and in relation to which cover has been
> issued by, the AA at the time assistance is requested; and
>
> b) is no more than 10 (ten) years old at the date of registration with
> the AA.
> --------------------
>
> So basically the AA's "person not vehicle" cover only covers you if
> the vehicle is less than 10 years old. That's all of my vehicles out
> then, other than the Audi, and that's 9 years old!

The AA have two totally different types of cover "Personal" and "Vehicle"
and you're mixing them up I'm afraid, I have personal and that covers me in
any vehicle I'm in whether driving or as a passenger, regardless of
ownership. The only limits on the vehicle are 3.5t gross and 2.3m wide which
isn't unreasonable when you consider they have to specify the trailers/low
loaders they are going to use. Vehicle membership does indeed put an age
limit on, but even this is only on the most basic policy.

I've just confirmed all this with them as you had me worried there , my
1972 109 is definitely covered by my personal-relay cover, though in reality
it's my 3 year old Polo that's had them out twice in the last year!
Greg

On 2006-11-09, Greg <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've just confirmed all this with them as you had me worried there
> , my 1972 109 is definitely covered by my personal-relay cover,
> though in reality it's my 3 year old Polo that's had them out twice
> in the last year!

Yep, error already spotted, I wonder if it's worth joining both RAC
and AA in the hope that one of them will get out to me within a few
hours ;-)

So far the only times I've been stuck I've used my insurance-provided
recovery scheme and the call-out times have been OK, I was quoted an
hour and a half once but the chap turned up in 30 mins with a new
battery (mine had gone open-circuit). I'd imagine RAC/AA are OK, with
long call-outs being hopefully the exception rather than the rule.

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On or around Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:36:27 +0000, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>To be fair to them, they probably get a huge percentage of calls
>form people who haven't a clue, and worse, ones who haven't and think
>they do. It never ceases to amaze me that we only ever get the
>whole story about the circumstances of a failure *after* we've
>already worked it out for ourselves in the workshop. A lot
>of people seem to think it will be cheaper, and somehow easier to
>fix, if they just give us a version that is "economical with the
>truth".....

hmmm. s' true, although it's often possible to tell the clueless and
bull****ters by what they say - if you heard for example what I wrote above,
you'd probably determine that I knew what I was talking about, or at least
bring a meter along on the off-chance, whereas if you're just told "flat
battery" then 9 times out of 10 it's 'cos the lights were left on.

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Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
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On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:11:39 -0000, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> The ones on mine, both in the gear and on the shaft (I kept the gear
> as a souvenir, dunno if I can find it now) were worn to a sort of wedge
> shape not much over 1mm high.

and still driving in that state?

then mine should go on for a few more miles yet

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8

Nige <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
>> If it lost drive and made crunching noises it has probably ripped the
>> centre out of the clutch.
>>
>> The gearbox output shaft failure is always silent....
>>
>> Hope it is clutch as it is much cheaper.
>> --
> The clutch was on the heavy side it has to be said, but worked fine!

Left it with Landranger, the clutch is going to be changed whatever, If I
lifted the clutch with it not in gear it was quiet as one would expect. If I
dropped it in gear then it wasn't quiet when the clutch was lifted and
sounded a bit like a milling machine. Changing gear changed the note/
frequency of the said milling machine... my money is on the output shaft.

On the bright side I'll have a known good clutch <kerching> and a 12 month
waranteed known good gearbox <kerching> with a cross drilled transfer gear
<kerching> ;-)

I like having known good stuff as I'll be far less reluctant to use it to
tow abroad now which means some off road opportunities in South of France
and Spain.

In fact Snowy may have just got a new name <kerching> ;-)

Lee D

On or around Thu, 09 Nov 2006 16:16:01 -0000, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:11:39 -0000, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> ...
>> The ones on mine, both in the gear and on the shaft (I kept the gear
>> as a souvenir, dunno if I can find it now) were worn to a sort of wedge
>> shape not much over 1mm high.
>
>and still driving in that state?

buggered if I know how, though. I'll see if I can find the gear and take
pictures of it.

The only real problem is that it goes from "driving" to "not driving" just
like that and with no real warning.
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In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
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On or around Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:05:55 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On the bright side I'll have a known good clutch <kerching> and a 12 month
>waranteed known good gearbox <kerching> with a cross drilled transfer gear
><kerching> ;-)

and it is a fact that fixing it revolutionises it. When I did mine I'd not
realised how bad it'd got. The recon box was better overall and the gear
changes were like gearchanges should be, without clanks and clunks.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

Greg wrote:

|| "steve Taylor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
|| news:[email protected]...
||| Stick with the RAC in future - both turnouts in less than an hour.
||
|| The last time I had to use the RAC was in a company car that we had
|| just written off at a junction (a salesman was driving of course
|| ), despite explaining the writeoff, police involvement etc the
|| moron on the phone insisted on sending a patrol to see if he could
|| 'repair' it before they would send a recovery vehicle!. The patrol
|| took about two hours and the recovery another 3 as he told me he was
|| called from Scotland, we were in Lincolnshire!, I'm sure the patrol
|| was just to cover the fact they were calling the recovery from so
|| far away. On the other hand I've had the AA out twice this year and
|| been pleasantly surprised.
||
|| In summary, there's sod all to choose between them, they can all be
|| anywhere from reasonable to bloody silly, it's pot luck.
||
|| Greg

I was a member of the AA for five years, nothing but bad experiences. Been
in the RAC the last 15, nothing but good. But as you say, a lot of it is
luck.

Last time I used the RAC, the S2 had shot its waterpump about 300 miles from
home. I phoned the RAC, told them what had happened, and they took my word
for it (I was quite surprised - no "we'll send a patrol to make sure", no
"do you know what a waterpump is, Sir?"). Flat bed on scene within 30
minutes, and home before Di was expecting me, due to the higher cruising
speed of the flatbed.



--
Rich
==============================

2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
1991 Transit Camper

Take out the obvious to email me.

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 22:46:02 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>Nige <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
>about:
>
>> **** the bed Lee, what have you done??? OMFG! You hit summat then or
>> what?
>> I was just gonna sk for your address as i have some bits like a
>> window winder handle & loads of trim fastners.
>>
>> Oh ****!
>
>Get the Irony of this, I'd just gone over to my Dads to collect two
>gearboxes, one series one and one auto one (spare for the one fitted in
>Percy), also picked up a trailer too as I'm stripping one trailer to make
>another good.
>
>Came to a real bad bend on a country lane and dipped the clutch to allow
>cars coming the other way to clear the elbow so we could take it wide with
>the trailer. Then he did an Impression of a crunchy grindey thing, left us
>stranded in the middle of the lane with the trailer still on.
>
>Sadly neither of the two gearboxes I had on board fit so I had to call the
>AA ;-).... bunch of ****ing ****tards they are too, 3 frigging hours later
>they eventually dispatch a recovery truck, 5 years membership - no previous
>claims / Calls and this is their best response knowing a) we're stuck
>blocking 2 lanes and b) I'd got the family on board.
>
>The guys who eventually came called me 25 minutes before setting off,
>clearly an AA ****up. Be interesting to see how badly they **** it up
>tomorrow now on the second half of the journey.
>
>I was well impressed though with the kind folk who came to assist, Kids were
>given crisps and chocolate from one kind chap who offered to turn out his
>farm hand and have his 'racter tow us home. Had I known the circus act we
>were going to have with the AA then I'd have snapped his hand off. Two other
>peeps in 4x4's stopped to offer assistance but such was our position and
>lack of tow rope we were stuffed... we did unhook the trailer and manage to
>open up the road but it was well dodgie.
>
>Lee D
>

I've always told the AA I want full recovery when I place the call,
never had a prob yet <touches heads>
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:57:27 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>A case of the end of an era with Morph and the start of an expensive episode
>with Snowy....
>
>http://www.zen79997.zen.co.uk/snowy/index.html
>
>Page 1 of the piccys is peachy.....
>
>..... page 2 however has me reaching for the gearbox specialist :-(
>
>friggin' typical!
>
>And don't even ask about the A.A. :-(
>
>Nige - can't blame you just the luck of the draw.... jammey bastard! ;-)
>
>Lee D
>

Something to do with 101s changing ownership I believe.... Nige is
having a peachy time with Morph, so Morph sent his vibes to
Snowy......
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....

Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
funny about:

> I've always told the AA I want full recovery when I place the call,
> never had a prob yet <touches heads>

Yup in my case I had a trailer so they seemed ok with this.

The guy this morning was faultless... proper AA truck too, though I suspect
it was an Admin cock up.

Lee D

On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 20:20:00 -0000, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>Simon Isaacs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz
>funny about:
>
>> I've always told the AA I want full recovery when I place the call,
>> never had a prob yet <touches heads>
>
>Yup in my case I had a trailer so they seemed ok with this.
>
>The guy this morning was faultless... proper AA truck too, though I suspect
>it was an Admin cock up.
>
>Lee D
>

wondered that with the third party recovery, they seem to have cut
down on depots for recovery trucks and use more 3rd party now
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....

On or around Thu, 9 Nov 2006 19:19:52 -0000, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Last time I used the RAC, the S2 had shot its waterpump about 300 miles from
>home. I phoned the RAC, told them what had happened, and they took my word
>for it (I was quite surprised - no "we'll send a patrol to make sure", no
>"do you know what a waterpump is, Sir?"). Flat bed on scene within 30
>minutes, and home before Di was expecting me, due to the higher cruising
>speed of the flatbed.
>

yeah, they shift, those things. Last time I was involved (someone else's
car) the bugger beat us back, mind, we did stop for a pint and a meal on the
way.

I sometimes wonder what the flatbed drivers use for stayawake juice. I
used, when I were young and foolish, to be able to drive all night and half
the day, but not now.
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(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
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