welding advice

stevemilne750 · Apr 21, 2008

Mot time is here and i got a bit of a shock after having a proper look under my disco 1 there is a lot more corrosion than i thought when i first bought it 3 mnths ago.Both outer sills have holes rear boot floor has a couple of holes may be patchable front inner wing has a hole 1 body mount has a hole a body out rigger is holed and the rear cross member is rotten at the corner where the back door opens and thats all i found all in all a lot of holes what ide like advise on is whether to keep it buy a welder and try to repair it myself or buy another and keep this one for spares as it has a good engine and gear box new tyres new shocks.all advice appriciated.

Taffy · Apr 21, 2008

lots of work better to get repairable panels then patch work easier and neat.
sills about 200 quids for inner and outer sills and both side need to cut away metal and etc rear boot floor and sub frame are all important panels for mot
inner wings can be patched etc not an mot requirement etc other wise get yerself a defender galvanised chassis and defedender body and transfer your gearbocx and engine and u will have a top rate landy! that is what I am gonna do in couple years time

The Mad Hat Man · Apr 21, 2008

inner wings ARE an MOT item!

so - am i right in thinking that you have suggested that he scraps a car he bought three months ago and buys a defender?

James · Apr 21, 2008

Buy a welder learn how to do it and do a proper job on it, once you have done all the bits on you list there won't be many more to do.

Mad is correct, inner wings are an MOT failer as they are within the 30cm of a seat belt mounting.

The Mad Hat Man · Apr 21, 2008

James said:
Buy a welder learn how to do it and do a proper job on it, once you have done all the bits on you list there won't be many more to do.

Mad is correct, inner wings are an MOT failer as they are within the 30cm of a seat belt mounting.

A WHOT? maybe 30cm of the brake servo

James · Apr 21, 2008

Ooops mis read that one there thought he was on about the rear whele arches!

Must read more carefuly in the future!

david451 · Apr 21, 2008

James said:
Buy a welder learn how to do it and do a proper job on it, once you have done all the bits on you list there won't be many more to do.

Mad is correct, inner wings are an MOT failer as they are within the 30cm of a seat belt mounting.

front inner wing??

The Mad Hat Man · Apr 21, 2008

he meant brake servo

- and yes - front

Pikey · Apr 21, 2008

Ah well technically it could be argued that the inner wings are not mot failures if they have an hole in them because the servo isn't mounted on nor part of the inner wing and therefore a complete failure of the inner wing would not affect the brake servo.

The Mad Hat Man · Apr 21, 2008

if its within 30cm, Pikey - it constitutes a failure

James · Apr 21, 2008

I think the MOT men jut don't like holes that are not meant to be there!

I did find one on mine after it had been through the MOT that was not in the list on the Chasis part of the body mount

Pikey · Apr 21, 2008

depends who you talk to the regulations stipulate that the corrosion must be on the same panel in order for the 30cm rule to be applied. Most MOT testers apply the within 30 cm rule as meaning any thing within 30 cm regardless or not of whether it's part of the same panel.

And a disco boot floor rotting away isn't a mot failure either because the seat belt mountings aren't mounted to the boot floor they're mounted to the chassis and pass thru the floor. If it's within 30cm of the seat mountings then it can be a failure.

The Mad Hat Man · Apr 21, 2008

cant comment, Pikey - all I know is my MOT man WILL fail it - right or wrong - an I aint gonna argue with him.

Taffy · Apr 21, 2008

sorry guys yes I mean if there is couple holes etc or so as long it don't affect the brakes mountings etc i had a massive holes in the inner wing etc and it breeze thou the mot and I asked the mot inspector said inner wings is basically to stop crap into engine bay etc and the mountings for the brakes were fine yes if it were completely gone then yes need new one or a patch job. so i assumed inner wing wasn't an essential mot part sorry guys

david451 · Apr 21, 2008

The Mad Hat Man said:
if its within 30cm, Pikey - it constitutes a failure

That's got me fooked as well mad man, no suspension on there and no direct link to the servo, it's mounted on the bulkhead. I thought you were wrong wif the servo but I think you're right now, I think. Gona have to have a look at mine.

Pikey · Apr 21, 2008

From the MOT manual.
To assist with the assessment of corrosion sections 2, 3 and 5 of the manual identify the parts of the vehicle structure which are particularly important and to which particular attention must be paid during the inspection.

These are:

- The load bearing parts of the vehicle to which certain testable items (as specified in section 2, 3 and 5) are mounted.

- Any structure or panelling which is supportive to either the component mounting or its load bearing member within 30cm of the mounting location.

There's a bit more about checking other associated area's which are crucial to the structural integrity of the panel eg for a seat mounting as well as the floor panel the sills and doorposts would also fall in to the 30cm area.

Link to the site MOT Manual Appendix C Structural Integrity and Corrosion

markw · Apr 21, 2008

stevemilne750,

hi ya

doing the checking and prep work for my mot at the mo,

rear body mounts, boot floor, drivers sill, and full check over and full oil changes.

all i can say is if you want to learn about your disco and learn to weld etc
get stuck in.....

i was a bit weary of starting mine but i had lots of help and advise of the guys on this site.

now nearly completed the rear end

new boot floor

body mounts

rear shocks

new rear brakes & fittings

and full hammerright the rear under side.

only one plate in the middle section and oil changes then the front end.

i dad an accident nearly 2 years ago and ended up with a knackered back and loss of sensation in my hands and legs and have restricted movement,
but so far i've managed to do all the jobs.

admittidly may be a bit slower than most but never the less got there and got the jobs done.
i had a welder but never really knew haw to use it, but looked it up on the net and found a usefull site.
grabbed a few pieces of metal and kept practicing, now not brillient but good engough to get by. (know an ex mot bloke who checked it before i touched my disco)
now feel as if i could amlost do most jobs, but must admit this was with the help,advice and confidence given by this site and especally " the big lad " whose been there ever step of the way whilst i've been doing mine.

so all i can say is get stuck in and let us know haow you are getting on

good luck

mark

stevemilne750 · Apr 22, 2008

Thanks for quick response think i,ll get myself a welder and give it a go(will keep yous posted) any one advise me on what type of welder i should go.

Pikey · Apr 22, 2008

Mig. Get one that will go down to at least 30amp. How big you get depands on what you'll want to weld. For a disco floor and sills you could get away with a 90amp dual gas/no gas welder but I'd advise to go as high as your budget will allow. preferably to about 160amp. Then you'll be able to make your own rock sliders and bumpers if you want to.

stevemilne750 · Apr 22, 2008

Thanks for that.

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