veggy freelander

Just thought i would ask this as Ive bin on other sites where they have been running there diesel motors with mixed results on mixed veg oil/diesel or bio diesel, in this case it needs a separate tank, anyone had the bottle to do this with a freelander, thought i would not bother the tractor boys with this as most of em run on pig juice anyhow,oink oink . . .Ming

Bio diesel eh! Doesn't that start life as vegetable oil (chip friars etc). Then it's refined to make Bio Diesel. Heard it's better for engines than standard diesel fuel as it has a higher oil content. Saw it on some Discovery channel documentry the other night

check out http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f8/running-your-car-vegtable-oil-22566.html

lots of info in there

thanks bigstoo that was helpfull. . .

apparently makes ya exhaust smell like chips! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!! I would be constantly hungry PMSL!!!!

that would make a change from hair oil

thats it ... my sides are splitting

Some say it smells like roast pig, i know a lot of the tractor boys have tried it ,think thats why they have a couple of live porkers in the back of them tractors , so when they are in the outy back place ,run outa juice, then go, der , lets have a Barbee, use the pig juice thats left over after the troughin to carry on, brill. oink oink

minger you really need to seek profeesional help in putting together a coherent sentence

Yes i know. . .

just so long as you do!! are you doing anything about it yet?? how are you coping with the dick and jane books? not too difficult i hope?

Still on the Dick bit. . .oh no i feel a Ramsbottom cometh

Hi Ming,
Just to let you know that until recently, about 4 weeks ago in fact, I had a 2001 Series 2 Disco Td5 Es 87k miles on the clock and for the last 11k miles I ran it on virtually on 100% bio-diesel, with no problems at all. In fact I would go as far to say that the engine was quieter, not any more economical but certainly quieter and smoother. Mind you I only bought it from a reliable source. As with all these things the fuel is only as good as the cook.
If the ph factor of the fuel is higher than "ph8" then it becomes corrosive and CAN corrode certain parts of the fuel pump or anything that is made of copper the nearer it gets to "ph7" which is neutral the better.
There have been cases with Disco's especially the Td5's wrecking the PD Injectors, but this again is questionable. The problem could have been that they became clogged with debris from the fuel system or the fuel was not up to EN std.
If you are going to run it on bio-diesel then use a mix of 50/50 to begin with, as the bio will clean the fuel sytem out. A lot better than Redex or other products, not to mention the lubricating properties, far far better than dino diesel. Anyway after approx 1000 miles change the fuel filter and then you can run it on any mix you like.
There is a downside to this, and that is in winter or very cold mornings, the engine can miss and run lumpy for a about 10 seconds on the first start up, the chip oill is not that thin and can gel because it won't have anti -gel in it. The Td5 is more susceptable than most diesel engines because even tho' it is a 5 cylinder engine, it only has 4 glow plugs????.
I don't have any reservations about telling people to use it, BUT make sure that the chef knows what he is doing. For the same reason you wouldn't take your car to a back street garage for repair, that you knew or looked like they didn't know what they were doing.
I now have a Freelander 2002 V6 ES, unfortunately I couldn't find a Td4 at the right price, so I had to plump for one of these. BUT if I did have a Td4 I would almost certainly be running it on bio.

Tone

Tone. . .thanks for your interesting comments, have heard that you can mix white spirits in with the mix to help stop the waxing , is this just poppy talk or can it help, the trouble is with this subject is the people with the proven knowledge, have done all the hard work , and prooved that there motor will work with this set up , but are unwilling to share the information[for obvious reasons] , and also cost of the long time running, don't know if i have got the bottle to try it out. . .

Hi Ming,
There is a school of thought that says "white spirit" helps, personally I wouldn't bother, it can cause hot spots in the head under combustion, you might as well put unleaded in. I like to look after my vehicles and personally think that both those solutions are a bit harsh and I wouldn't want to do that to my motor.
There is a company in Cheshire who supply an anti-gelling product that you mix with the bio in your tank. I can't think who they are at the moment but will check back in my files.
Bio-diesel is common in Germany, and is to EN Standards, and all the BMW engines will run on 100%, as will the VW/Audi diesel engines. The problem is that both companies and Land Rover have declined their warranties last year if you use bio in the UK. It is all down to the quality of the product, they can't guarrantee the stuff you put in is good as the stuff in Germany and France etc,as per my previous post.
On the continent, as you are no doubt aware, the French have a std 5% mix with their diesel. Because it's low sulphur diesel like ours, they added bio to give it back the lubricity that is now missing from diesel.
To help in winter or cold weather, I've found the easiest solution, is either to buy the anti -gelling stuff or just fill the tank half full of bio and half of std diesel. I wouldn't put "white spirit" in the thing personally.
Believe me if the bio-diesel supply you get is good stuff, get it in you won't be disappointed, its far better than standard diesel, your engine will thank you for it. It's lubrication properties are second to none its cetane values are higher than standard diesel and the emissions are a joke, there is none. If you use Millers Diesel Plus to help then Bio-Diesel does this on it's own.. Hope this helps.
There are conversions which give you a seperate tank to put std diesel in and it uses your std fuel tank to put filtered chip oil in, you have a heater system which brings the viscosity down and allows the motor to run on it when it gets warm. Works a treat but can cost a few hundred pounds. I think the company is "DieselVeg" in the midlands they have a web site which helps and the other is "journey to the neds of the earth" I think.
Personally I prefered to use the bio, it was so much simpler and CHEAPER at 85p per litre. Bear in mind I do around a thousand miles a week.

Tone

Tone. . . thanks for your info a real gem of knowledge, will do a bit more home work before i get brave enough to try it out my freelander, but you have certainly got me thinking, as others i should imagine , cheers

I have been wondering about how the veg oil thing is going in the td4 freelanders. Have any our you run it yet? I note that ming says he was thinking about trying it and somewhere else somebody was using it too but I can not find that post yet. I too am not that brave yet. My neighbor has been using it in his fiat stilo 2.0 crdi since the summer at 50% with little problem so far. My freelander is a early 2003 td4.
Thanks, Mikroll