Epicuser
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Get the proper grease as well. The pins normally come with special brake grease. The copper stuff is great for the pad backs, but the pins use a different grease.
Urgent brake help
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C13tay1
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Well I'm still baffled by the symptoms I had and how I came to get them but all is sorted now.
Got up early this morning, fitted a new set of front pads, and found that one of the pins on the passenger side was also siezed. The new pins haven't arrived yet so cleaned up all the old ones again an refitted everything. Went to the rear and removed, then refitted the new shoes I had fitted last week. Even though everything is free, I wasn't convinced that the self adjusters were adjusting so set them up by hand. Then set up handbrake again. Then I set about bleeding.. Couldn't do the rears as the nipples were already rounded off .
Pedal now feels better than it has ever done and even though the pads and shoes are not bedded in yet the brakes also feel better than they ever have before.
Will fit the new guide pins when they arrive and order 2 new rear cylinders, bur for now I'm a happy bunny !!!
Thanks for all the replies....... As ever much appreciated
Chris
Got up early this morning, fitted a new set of front pads, and found that one of the pins on the passenger side was also siezed. The new pins haven't arrived yet so cleaned up all the old ones again an refitted everything. Went to the rear and removed, then refitted the new shoes I had fitted last week. Even though everything is free, I wasn't convinced that the self adjusters were adjusting so set them up by hand. Then set up handbrake again. Then I set about bleeding.. Couldn't do the rears as the nipples were already rounded off .
Pedal now feels better than it has ever done and even though the pads and shoes are not bedded in yet the brakes also feel better than they ever have before.
Will fit the new guide pins when they arrive and order 2 new rear cylinders, bur for now I'm a happy bunny !!!
Thanks for all the replies....... As ever much appreciated
Chris
For when you put new pins in - get a drill bit in where the pins go as turn it by hand. Should take all the rust and crap out of them. Are you getting new rubbers for the pins whilst your there?
Glad it's all sorted now
My rear self adjusters don't self adjust very well. Every time I re adjust them I am surprised how much better the pedal feels
At least you don't have to worry about your breaks for a while!
Glad it's all sorted now
My rear self adjusters don't self adjust very well. Every time I re adjust them I am surprised how much better the pedal feels
At least you don't have to worry about your breaks for a while!
C13tay1
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Yes...... The one I ordered came with new rubbers and some grease.
The pins may have been an issue for the previous owner at sometime cos the shorter pins were missing the plastic sleeve thing ......... If you know what I mean
Chris
The pins may have been an issue for the previous owner at sometime cos the shorter pins were missing the plastic sleeve thing ......... If you know what I mean
Chris
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Had a similar problem. My handbrake was weak so decided to remove the drums to check over. Shoes okay, handbrake cables okay and free to move, but on each side one of the two pins that hold the brake shoes to the back plate was missing? So ordered new genuine ones for a reasonable £5 from KRMotors (Hull) ebay page, stripped out the shoes, cleaned everything, re-assembled each side and set the adjusters to minimum after checking they were free (one wasn't). As expected the handbrake was worse and much more travel on brake pedal but thought it would all come good again after a few days use when the adjusters did their job. However no change, so tomorrow going to take the drums off again and see what's occurring (or not).
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Not sure if it's correct but it worked for me.......... Set up the foot brake adjustment on the rears manually ie moved the adjusters so they were just free from drums. Then set up hand brake using adjuster under centre console....... So that shoes were just about touching on ist click
Chris
Not sure if it's correct but it worked for me.......... Set up the foot brake adjustment on the rears manually ie moved the adjusters so they were just free from drums. Then set up hand brake using adjuster under centre console....... So that shoes were just about touching on ist click
Chris
I expect that your pads had worn at an angle due to the seized slide pins. Once you freed the pins, the pads needed to bed in again. This would have taken ages. Fitting new pads squared everything up, problem solved. .
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Thanks Nodge
That makes sense........... The inner pads on both sides were heavily worn at an angle ...... Not sure why freeing of the guide pin made me loose all my pedal though........
Chris
That makes sense........... The inner pads on both sides were heavily worn at an angle ...... Not sure why freeing of the guide pin made me loose all my pedal though........
Chris
The inner pads were still able to move as the piston was still free. However because the pins were stuck, the outside pads couldn't move. Every time you used the brakes, the inner pad pushed the disc into the outside pad. This continued until the disc couldn't bend any more and your brakes stopped working. This is why the inner pad was worn at an angle. The rest you know. I'm glad you fixed it before the front of the car needed fixing too
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