Series 3 turning a 109 into a 1Ton

hi guys the opportunity has occurred to buy a totally shot 109, no engine, no gearbox and the most rotten chassis i have ever seen. As a new chassis would be required i am veiwing this as an opportunity to get creative with out destroying a perfectly salvageable vehicle.

Would converting this to a 1ton be legal and I know it would have a 6 pot originally but I'm thinking about a V8 or 300tdi coupled to a ZF 4 speed auto and a selectable 4 wheel drive borg warner transfer box. I would have to source either an env axle or a front Dana 60 the american equivalent to the salisbury axle and up rated springs, 1ton wheels, and springs and shocks. Admittedly I am thinking basics here but is there any other major items i have missed.

Dose anyone know the payload of a 1ton series 3?

thanks guys if this project gets of the ground it will be a long time running.

Different chassis, engine and running gear front and back, you're planning on putting this on a Q plate then?

ajb403 said:

Different chassis, engine and running gear front and back, you're planning on putting this on a Q plate then?

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Yes i was looking to run it on a Q plate, as the original registration plates and documents have been lost in the mists of time and space. I think that would be the easiest way of getting it registered.

If you're going to run with the extended shackles and spring hangers that the 1 ton had you may need to notch one of the chassis cross members to stop the prop shaft from hitting it at full droop as per the 1 ton chassis, however your replacement engine and gearbox positions may not require this (or make the situation worse?).

ajb403 said:

If you're going to run with the extended shackles and spring hangers that the 1 ton had you may need to notch one of the chassis cross members to stop the prop shaft from hitting it at full droop as per the 1 ton chassis, however your replacement engine and gearbox positions may not require this (or make the situation worse?).

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Thanks i was thinking though about ordering a new 1ton chassis from Richards as the current one is beyond salvage.

right well after some digging around on the inter web the land rover 1ton pay load is 1.2 metric tonnes with one occupant in the cab. which isn't to bad, it's actually better than a VW amarok pickup, though the fuel consumption will more than make up for any advantages it may have in capacity.

With a V8 in the front and 1.2 tons in the back fuel consumption should be interesting!

id think you'd find out the amarok is made in china as most cars are made in china, im not a fan of volkswagen, and what makes it worse is that they lied about the emissions from most cars in the car family, just another cheap car to me, eveyone seems to be driving them around in australia as their ads on tv con people into owning one, all the rubbish ads we have, most are complete bullshiit, misleading, but it is quite easy to con aussies into buying stuff though.

Tony.

kommer2013 said:

id think you'd find out the amarok is made in china as most cars are made in china, im not a fan of volkswagen, and what makes it worse is that they lied about the emissions from most cars in the car family, just another cheap car to me, eveyone seems to be driving them around in australia as their ads on tv con people into owning one, all the rubbish ads we have, most are complete bullshiit, misleading, but it is quite easy to con aussies into buying stuff though.

Tony.

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I think its made in the UK hating land of Argentina but any way. After a bit more research they apparently have the same gearbox ratios as a series 2, dose anyone know if they just had a standard series 2 gearbox or where they extra heavy duty. They also apparently used the same ring and pinion ratio as the standard series axels, they were extra heavy duty versions so I'm guessing that they were 24 spline all round like defender axels.

The one ton series 3 is very different from a standard 109. Powered by the same V8 as the Range rover of that time [slightly detuned] and fitted with the same perminant four wheel drive 4 speed gearbox. The front axle is special to the one ton with CV joints not the usual UJ's. Rear axle is a salisbury unit.
One tons were in production just three or four years before the 110 arrived and so are rare

tottot said:

The one ton series 3 is very different from a standard 109. Powered by the same V8 as the Range rover of that time [slightly detuned] and fitted with the same perminant four wheel drive 4 speed gearbox. The front axle is special to the one ton with CV joints not the usual UJ's. Rear axle is a salisbury unit.
One tons were in production just three or four years before the 110 arrived and so are rare

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I think you're confusing 1 tons with Stage 1s.

ajb403 said:

I think you're confusing 1 tons with Stage 1s.

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Yes i believe he is too.

Ging360 - are you a member of the 900 club forum? It's a bit quiet (a lot quieter than here!) but I suspect you may get more definitive answers regarding 1 tons on there.

ajb403 said:

Ging360 - are you a member of the 900 club forum? It's a bit quiet (a lot quieter than here!) but I suspect you may get more definitive answers regarding 1 tons on there.

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Thanks ajb403 I will check it out, hadn't known about it before.

Do you really need the extra payload ??? or just after the look (Genuine 1 tons are like rocking horse poo and not the easiest things to live with with the low ratio box top speed is decidedly compromised )

IF it's just the look ....then go for a "Combat/military" chassis as its basically the same with the extended spring hangers etc ....the 900x16 tyres as fitted to 1 tons will fit easily as on one of my FFR's







Just a thought ???

ajb403 said:

I think you're confusing 1 tons with Stage 1s.

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Aha so I am. A local merchant had a one ton for delivering goods to farms,had the turning circle of a super tanker and was hated by all who drove it.

ajb403 said:

I think you're confusing 1 tons with Stage 1s.

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+1

ging360 said:

I think its made in the UK hating land of Argentina but any way. After a bit more research they apparently have the same gearbox ratios as a series 2, dose anyone know if they just had a standard series 2 gearbox or where they extra heavy duty. They also apparently used the same ring and pinion ratio as the standard series axels, they were extra heavy duty versions so I'm guessing that they were 24 spline all round like defender axels.

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Much lower ratio centre diff though?

mistericeman said:

Do you really need the extra payload ??? or just after the look (Genuine 1 tons are like rocking horse poo and not the easiest things to live with with the low ratio box top speed is decidedly compromised )

IF it's just the look ....then go for a "Combat/military" chassis as its basically the same with the extended spring hangers etc ....the 900x16 tyres as fitted to 1 tons will fit easily as on one of my FFR's







Just a thought ???

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you just cant resist posting those pictures can you?!!

ging360 said:

I think its made in the UK hating land of Argentina but any way. After a bit more research they apparently have the same gearbox ratios as a series 2, dose anyone know if they just had a standard series 2 gearbox or where they extra heavy duty. They also apparently used the same ring and pinion ratio as the standard series axels, they were extra heavy duty versions so I'm guessing that they were 24 spline all round like defender axels.

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1 ton has a std series 3 g/box ,which contra to popular belief is stronger than a s2,but transfer box differs ,stronger with lower ratio,and because of that so does the gear box mainshaft, salisbury is 24 spline front not .heavy duty refers to the brakes, as fitted to 109 v8 too