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hi all and thanks for the funnies, how ever i do understand why our travelling fellows like them as they are big and well specced. As for not allowed on the roads i beg to argue as they are not over 2.55 m in width so what are you talking aboot??
Andy
 
roodini said:
hi all and thanks for the funnies, how ever i do understand why our travelling fellows like them as they are big and well specced. As for not allowed on the roads i beg to argue as they are not over 2.55 m in width so what are you talking aboot??
Andy
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Just what the stats say. And too long as well. ;)
 
Worth doing the calculations in case your stopped or get into trouble. In my (uneducated) experience the Freelander 'could' tow much more than it 'should' with relative ease. I hired, what turned out to be, a 1 ton rated trailer to shift a load of slabs once that turned out to weigh probably double that. My L Series Freelander towed it quite easily.... until the wheel popped off the trailer.

I still don't know all there is to know about towing, but I know a lot more now - and the guy at the hire shop knows to ask me what I'm going to be pulling :)
 
Yup. Looking into it further the shogun is also too light to tow a 7.15m caravan.

You need a vehicle with a gvw of over 3500kg to tow a trailer of over 7m. (Body length) not including the drawbar and hitch.

You need a big van (transit 4t or iveco daily 4t or such like.)

Oh and then you will need to have a C1+E licence (which you will have if you passed your car test before Jan 1997)
 
noiseboymart said:
usefull info here.
http://www.gov.uk/towing-with-car
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Useful but confusing... says that loaded weight of the trailer and car combined must not exceed the MAM, but is not specific as to whether this is the actual loaded weight (1 passenger or 5?) or the maximum weight?

I would say an overloaded car by 100Kg towing an a trailer overloaded by 250Kg is much safer on the roads when driven by an experienced driver than a legally loaded set-up being driven by a first time caravanner.... just my opinion!
 
MAM is the maximum authorised mass... Ie the maximum the vehicle can weigh fully loaded with passengers and luggage.

Also worth bearing in mind that a fully loaded freelander cannot tow a trailer at its maximum weight due to the gross train weight being less than the Maximum authorised mass plus the trailer weight!

Are you confudled yet?
 
double wowwwww, Many people tow 6 or 7 series hobby's and in the 5 years we have had it i have never been pulled over, mind you i don't tow it like i have stolen it and i show regard to other road users too so maybe that all helps.
 
Tannaton said:
I think that the 2000Kg towing rating for the Freelander is what Land Rover state it to be structurally capable of towing, but each countries regulations can differ.

When towing a trailer, the plated maximum gross weight of the trailer is always used in law, so if you are towing an empty trailer with a MGW which exceeds the limits of the car - it is an offence.
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I would just like to correct myself here because what I said was wrong - having since done some reading and consulted local traffic plod - the actual gross trailer weight is used. i.e. if you have a 3.5T stamped trailer with 1t unladen weight you could put 900kg load on it and tow legally with a Freelander (1.9t against a 2t limit) providing maximum train weight and axle weights are not exceeded.

I have read on forums and in the press where VOSA have prosecuted some drivers based on gross weight stamped on the trailer but this was either mis-reported or VOSA were acting in error.
 
Tannaton said:
I would just like to correct myself here because what I said was wrong - having since done some reading and consulted local traffic plod - the actual gross trailer weight is used. i.e. if you have a 3.5T stamped trailer with 1t unladen weight you could put 900kg load on it and tow legally with a Freelander (1.9t against a 2t limit) providing maximum train weight and axle weights are not exceeded.

I have read on forums and in the press where VOSA have prosecuted some drivers based on gross weight stamped on the trailer but this was either mis-reported or VOSA were acting in error.
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VOSA are very clear the MAM is used not the actual weight.

I'd be very interested in any evidence to the contrary
 
blue beasty said:
VOSA are very clear the MAM is used not the actual weight.

I'd be very interested in any evidence to the contrary
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From VOSA's gov.uk website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...6/A_guide_for_horsebox_and_trailer_owners.pdf

On page 18:

"It is perfectly acceptable for a goods vehicle to
be used with a maximum plated train weight of
less than the combined plated gross weights
of the vehicle and trailer, as long as the trailer
isn’t actually loaded to the extent that its
actual weight would exceed the maximum
threshold of the towing vehicle’s maximum
plated train weight.
For example, a towing vehicle with a plated
gross weight of 3 tonnes and a plated train
weight of 5 tonnes, could feasibly tow a
trailer with a maximum gross weight of 3.5
tonnes. However, if both the vehicle and
trailer in the combination were loaded to their
respective maximum gross weights, then the
combination’s maximum train weight would be
exceeded by 1.5 tonnes. It’s the actual weight
of the vehicle and load which is important in
determining a vehicle’s compliance with
legal weight thresholds, not the potential
carrying capacity."
 
Tannaton said:
Can you clarify what you mean - MAM (maximum authorised mass) I take to mean the total weight of vehicle + load + trailer + load and should never be exceeded.

Did you mean maximum gross weight of the trailer?
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MAM/GVW is the same thing

According to Vosa the total MAM is vehicle weight + max load + trailer weight + trailer max load.

It makes no difference if neither the vehicle or trailer are loaded, the fact that they could be is all it takes.

If a Freelander has a stated max towing limit of 2000kg then it is illegal to hitch up a trailer that has a trailer weight +theoretical max load of more than 2000kg whether it is loaded or not

Unless, as I said, you have official evidence otherwise because Vosa is very clear (in a confusing kinda way) about it
 
blue beasty said:
MAM/GVW is the same thing

According to Vosa the total MAM is vehicle weight + max load + trailer weight + trailer max load.

It makes no difference if neither the vehicle or trailer are loaded, the fact that they could be is all it takes.

If a Freelander has a stated max towing limit of 2000kg then it is illegal to hitch up a trailer that has a trailer weight +theoretical max load of more than 2000kg whether it is loaded or not

Unless, as I said, you have official evidence otherwise because Vosa is very clear (in a confusing kinda way) about it
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See my second post with reference to VOSA website.

PS - I'm not trying to knock anyone I would just like clarity on this for my own interests. I agree the messages are very confusing...
 
Tannaton said:
From VOSA's gov.uk website:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...6/A_guide_for_horsebox_and_trailer_owners.pdf

On page 18:

"It is perfectly acceptable for a goods vehicle to
be used with a maximum plated train weight of
less than the combined plated gross weights
of the vehicle and trailer, as long as the trailer
isn’t actually loaded to the extent that its
actual weight would exceed the maximum
threshold of the towing vehicle’s maximum
plated train weight.
For example, a towing vehicle with a plated
gross weight of 3 tonnes and a plated train
weight of 5 tonnes, could feasibly tow a
trailer with a maximum gross weight of 3.5
tonnes. However, if both the vehicle and
trailer in the combination were loaded to their
respective maximum gross weights, then the
combination’s maximum train weight would be
exceeded by 1.5 tonnes. It’s the actual weight
of the vehicle and load which is important in
determining a vehicle’s compliance with
legal weight thresholds, not the potential
carrying capacity."
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I stand corrected :eek: that's good news :)

I know where I've got confused on refection. It's the post 97 licence towing restrictions that apply theoretical MAM and not actual mass

That means I can stick a huuuuge trailer behind my ambulance so long as it's total weight isn't more than 2 tons (old money) :)

My 2 1/4 petrols gonna love that :eek:
 
there is another argument in this towing malarkey how old are you ? did you pass a trailer test ,if you are an old one like me then you do not have to pass a towing test but if you are a young'un then you do ,I can not recall what age and when it came in but it did so any doubt then look it up I can not be bovered upps sorry bothered
 
teddywood1 said:
there is another argument in this towing malarkey how old are you ? did you pass a trailer test ,if you are an old one like me then you do not have to pass a towing test but if you are a young'un then you do ,I can not recall what age and when it came in but it did so any doubt then look it up I can not be bovered upps sorry bothered
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According to a few posts above, it was around 1997.
 
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