Totally reliant on a 21 year old 110 with 234k on the clock!!

so Alex was, like...
> There is very little excuse for hitting somebody up the rear, even if
> they did brake exceedingly sharply. As the following vehicle you
> should allow sufficient space to safely stop should an emergency
> occour. If you don't, then you're not driving properly

I don't think anyone disagrees with this. The point is that the original
poster seemed to say that he caused the accident by braking harder than
necessary - in other words he chose what he did, rather than reacting to a
genuine emergency. The fact that he seems to be ready to take a backhander
from the recovery company for the "work" weakens his case even more, in my
view.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)

Alex wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:36:18 +1200, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>
>>>hehe... besides, if he was half-awake, his thing should have easily been
>>>able to out-stop yours. so he obviously wasn't...
>>
>>I've been playing with Series brakes for a fairly long time now and I
>>can get them to work extremely well. With a booster, 11" drums and a
>
>
> Have you got 11" on a SWB originally fitted with 10"? If so, did you
> change the master cylinder?
>
> Alex

I found that it needed the 1.5 inch LWB master cylinder.

In news:[email protected],
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> blithered:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 17:59:24 +0100, Austin Shackles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Sun, 11 Sep 2005 23:33:57 +0100, Tim Hobbs
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> EMB had no way of knowing whether there was a
>>> child in the car, properly belted or otherwise. The WRX could have
>>> swerved and hit an oncoming car head on. The permutations are as
>>> endless as they were unnecessary. So he risked at least one life
>>> basically due to road rage.
>>
>> So what happens next time, when he's genuinely got to do an
>> emergency stop?
>
> He does one, and nobody can blame him for what happens next. But to
> do one needlessly just to cause a crash and teach the guy a lesson is
> utterly indefensible.
>
>> Chances are, he didn't brake in full emergency mode anyway. Or what
>> happens if some tit pulls out in front of him and as a result he
>> stops faster than it's possible to by ordinary braking, due to
>> hitting it? In that case, WRX-man will be even worse damaged, and
>> in that case as in this it would be HIS FAULT.
>
> But none of that actually happened, did it? We are in the realms of
> fantasy to justify the reality. By his own admission, EMB braked hard
> simply to cause the collision. He's also going to profit from it
> financially!
>
>>
>>> EMB behaved like an arsehole, and I hope the WRX driver turns out to
>>> be a lawyer or relative of same.
>>
>> sorry, but crap. WRX-man is an arsehole in this case, and if he
>> drives like that as a habit then he's better off not on the road,
>> for everyone's sake.
>>
>
> So it is reasonable, honourable and commendable to cause an accident,
> a potentially fatal one, to teach the man a lesson?

To drive in such a manner as to cause an accident is in a manner dangerous to the
public. IE Dangerous driving. Licence is forfeit.
Driving too close, also IMHO dangerous driving, at least without due care! Ban 'em
all and leave to roads safe for us drunks!

>
> I'm not saying WRX man was blameless - far from it. But he didn't
> cause this accident - he drove badly so EMB deliberately precipitated
> the collision to prove a point when he could equally have braked more
> gently than usual to avoid one.



--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

Alex wrote:

>>>Come on ffs, you braked late, he may have had a slight lapse of
>>>concentration & rammed you from behind but it's hardly a laughing matter
>>>is it? If you had laughed at me for that you would be in hospital.
>
>>If you ran into the back of mine, and I ended up in hospital, you'd get
>>sued
>>for GBH. It's your job to avoid running into things.
>
>>
>>Maybe so, but that still doesn't excuse him for following so close that he
>>can't out-brake pretty much any landrover. I daresay the WRX has ABS, and
>>probably pretty powerful anchors, and undoubtedly grippier tyres.
>>
>>OK, EMB was being a little bit naughty in anchoring it hard. But what
>>happens when some kid runs out in the road in front of him, and he
>>genuinely stands on the anchors for an emergency stop, in order to avoid
>>killing
>>someone's kid? Is he still at fault when the dickwad behind who was
>>tailgating him can't stop in time?
>>
>
> The defense of "I ran the kid over because i didn't want to brake too
> hard and have the bloke behind ram me" will earn you a nice stay in
> prison. A "slight lapse of concentration" is not an excuse either -
> that sort of thing causes large motorway pileups.
>
> There is very little excuse for hitting somebody up the rear, even if
> they did brake exceedingly sharply. As the following vehicle you
> should allow sufficient space to safely stop should an emergency
> occour. If you don't, then you're not driving properly
>
> Alex

Last one that ran up the back of my 110 was when an elderly man with a white
cane stepped off the footpath in front of me! I stopped, the corolla behind
me didn't - well it did when the bonnet hit my tow bar. Left a nasty patch
of white paint on the towbar, but it scrubbed off.

>>>>> "Moving" == Moving Vision <[email protected]> writes:

>> have their accident somewhere else. I really don't want to be
>> responsible for someone else's death or injury, even if their
>> bad driving was largely to blame.
>>

Moving> Bloody well said that man -- John Lubran

Agreed.

I'd add that I don't want to be responsible for some else's death or
injury, however much they deserve it.

Yes, I've been tempted too. Most lately by the f*ckwit in a corsa who
objected to the fact that I have bright HID headlights - (s)he was
driving at 15mph flashing their foglights at me. I could *so* easily
have nipped past them and then stood on the brakes, leaving their car
a steaming crunched mess, and perhaps a scratch on my bumper.

Tempting, yes. Worse the hassle? No.

Andy

--
Andy Cunningham -- www.vehicle-diagnostics.co.uk
They should be firewalled off from the rest of society. With real fire.
-- Paul Tomblin describes how to treat virus creators

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:14:04 +0100, "Lee_D"
> <[email protected]> made me spill my meths when he
> wrote:
>
>>Look you pink preferenced tart are you pro or anti rear end shuntting?
>
> If you can't pot the pink, pot the brown.

Nige has alot to answer for! It's all down to his 21 year old with alot of
digits on his clock.


Lee D

In news:[email protected],
AndyC the WB <[email protected]> blithered:
>>>>>> "Moving" == Moving Vision <[email protected]> writes:
>
> >> have their accident somewhere else. I really don't want to be
> >> responsible for someone else's death or injury, even if their
> >> bad driving was largely to blame.
> >>
>
> Moving> Bloody well said that man -- John Lubran
>
> Agreed.
>
> I'd add that I don't want to be responsible for some else's death or
> injury, however much they deserve it.
>
> Yes, I've been tempted too. Most lately by the f*ckwit in a corsa who
> objected to the fact that I have bright HID headlights - (s)he was
> driving at 15mph flashing their foglights at me. I could *so* easily
> have nipped past them and then stood on the brakes, leaving their car
> a steaming crunched mess, and perhaps a scratch on my bumper.
>
> Tempting, yes. Worse the hassle? No.
>
> Andy

Mobile video and submit to the local Cheif ****stable for prosecution for driving
in a manner dangerous!

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:11:16 +0100, "GbH"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>To drive in such a manner as to cause an accident is in a manner dangerous to the
>public. IE Dangerous driving. Licence is forfeit.

No, not at all I'm afraid. First you have to 'prove' the cause.

Secondly you have to determine the 'charge'.

Finally, you have to provide the evidence in a Court of Law. In the
case given, any cheap-as-chips lawyer would quite easily have it
thrown out.

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:34:46 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The fact that he seems to be ready to take a backhander
>from the recovery company for the "work" weakens his case even more, in my
>view.

Being in the UK, (it may be different in New Zealand) there would be
an interesting investigation should someone make such a public
statement. It is still somewhat unlikely that it would be taken as
far as the court, though.

On or around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:53:14 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>Alex wrote:
>
>>
>> Have you got 11" on a SWB originally fitted with 10"? If so, did you
>> change the master cylinder?
>>
>> Alex
>
>I found that it needed the 1.5 inch LWB master cylinder.

It will do. You can fit either the early type single-circuit master
cylinder, or the twin circuit one, or the twin-plus-servo one, depending on
what you're fitting it to. However, later SWB *may* have had the same
master cylinder - I think they standardised on 11" brakes on everything
eventually.

The non-servo 109" brakes with 11" drums work quite well. Putting 'em on a
SIII with a servo would get you brakes something like modern discs in
stopping power, but you'd still have the risk of brake fade if you use 'em
too long at a stretch.
--
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Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

On or around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:02:56 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:11:16 +0100, "GbH"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>To drive in such a manner as to cause an accident is in a manner dangerous to the
>>public. IE Dangerous driving. Licence is forfeit.
>
>No, not at all I'm afraid. First you have to 'prove' the cause.
>
>Secondly you have to determine the 'charge'.
>
>Finally, you have to provide the evidence in a Court of Law. In the
>case given, any cheap-as-chips lawyer would quite easily have it
>thrown out.

In the case given, you'd be hard put to it to claim that the vehicle in
front should NOT have stopped at a stop sign... apart from anything else.

--
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Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

"Mother" <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Being in the UK, (it may be different in New Zealand) there would be
> an interesting investigation should someone make such a public
> statement. It is still somewhat unlikely that it would be taken as
> far as the court, though.
>

I dunno, if for instance some one was a Fireman (who should really know
better because they spend alot of time cutting people out of cars) and they
were putting trade in the direction of a particualr recovery company, then I
think there would be quite a few other recovery companies happy to see their
day in court. At least thats what would happen here (UK). Just an
observation.


Lee D

On or around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:59:57 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>At the risk of sounding sanctimonious, it is not our job to teach others
>good driving, except by our own good example. I've been sorely tempted at
>times, especially in a battered 90 where the odd dent and scrape was neither
>here nor there, but I've always managed to keep my temper, move over, and
>let them have their accident somewhere else. I really don't want to be
>responsible for someone else's death or injury, even if their bad driving
>was largely to blame.

OK, fair enough when just on the road in general. But in the circumstances
described, approaching a stop sign, AFAIK in this country, STOP signs don't
have the same judgment call that an amber traffic light (which also means
stop) has where you're allowed to ignore it if to stop would be likely to
cause an accident. Assuming it's the same in NZ, you *have* to stop there,
and the bloke behind, if half-awake, should see the junction coming up and
KNOW that the vehicle in front is likely to stop, and in those circumstances
to tail-end the thing in front at all is not good, and to do so sufficiently
hard as to cause major damage is basically incompetent at the very least.

It's not as if EMB has deliberately blocked the road, then accelerated, then
stood on the anchors with the intent of "catching" the bloke behind.

Granted, he was out of order for braking deliberately late. But to cause
the damage described, the bloke behind must have been a lot too
[fast|close], not just a bit [fast|close], or else asleep, in which case
he'd have hit EMB anyway...

Assuming, of course, that I've read the description correctly.


And yes, buggrit, you're all right, he should have controlled himself
better.
--
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Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

On or around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 15:32:59 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Mm. I've seen engine failures which can be contributed to infrequent
>oil changes, both petrol and deisel. Oil-burners are especially prone
>to packing up if the oil isn't changed regularly.
>
>Fortunatly with a Series the need to change the oil is somewhat
>redundant, most of them operate on a total loss system anyway,
>requiring the constant addition of new oil.

I trust you change the filter regularly, too.
--
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Appearances: You don't really need make-up. Celebrate your authentic
face by frightening people in the street.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

In news:[email protected],
Mother" <"@ {mother} @ <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> blithered:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:11:16 +0100, "GbH"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> To drive in such a manner as to cause an accident is in a manner
>> dangerous to the public. IE Dangerous driving. Licence is forfeit.
>
> No, not at all I'm afraid. First you have to 'prove' the cause.
>
> Secondly you have to determine the 'charge'.
>
> Finally, you have to provide the evidence in a Court of Law. In the
> case given, any cheap-as-chips lawyer would quite easily have it
> thrown out.

So are you advocating summary justice?
EMB was right?
I think not!

--
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maybe skydiving's not for you!

"MVP" <mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Tue, 6 Sep 2005 23:57:43 +0100, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Now the Touareg is off back (& therefore can't be used) myself & my
>>business is totally reliant on the
>>110!!
>>
>>The wife cant (or wont) drive the 110, so the Subaru is now hers until
>>further notice!
>>
>>Stand by your beds fellas!! I have a feeling this could be
>>interesting............
>>
>>--?
>>Subaru WRX (Annabel)
>>
>>Landrover 110 County Station Wagon (Tyson)
>>
>>'"Say hello to my little friend"
>
> I'm totally reliant on a 21 year old today too, her name is Amber and
> she better ruddy show-up.
>
> --
> Mark.

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On or around Mon, 12 Sep 2005 19:59:57 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

> but I've always managed to keep my temper, move over, and
>let them have their accident somewhere else. I really don't want to be
>responsible for someone else's death or injury, even if their bad driving
>was largely to blame.

Just one more "what if" in this thread and then I'll leave it.

If you observe truly crap and dangerous driving and let him go and have his
accident elsewhere, what will you feel like if the accident he then has
involves your family?

In an ideal world, I guess you'd pick a good point (such as the junction and
stop sign mentioned originally) then brake hard enough that the chap behind
ends up stopping about 1" too late, such that no noticeable damage is done
but he gets enough of a shock to drive the message home... quite honestly,
the sort of bloke who habitually drives that fast/close is not going to be
impressed by stopping with an inch of space left - he'll just think how
clever he is to have judged it so well.



apropos of being nudged from behind... I once had a car which would, when
cold, tend to die when pulling off. It did this trick on a roundabout in
Birmingham, and the bloke behind, not realising that I hadn't actually
departed, went into the back of me at all of 5 mph. He was most
embarrassed.
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and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by
telephoning the police
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On or around Tue, 13 Sep 2005 10:43:08 +0100, MVP
<mr.nice@*nospam*softhome.net> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I'm totally reliant on a 21 year old today too, her name is Amber and
>she better ruddy show-up.

I reckon I could live with dodgy toerags if I had your job...

--
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brief that I become obscure) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Ars Poetica, 25

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>>
>>Bastard!!
>
> She's here and she's naked, you all hate me don't you...
>


naaaaa !!!! ;~)

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>>>Bastard!!
>>
>> She's here and she's naked, you all hate me don't you...
>>
>
> naaaaa !!!! ;~)
>
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>


well if she ever needs taking for a walk give me a shout
--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green