Tips on getting the bloody second bead off?

So I've removed the first bead from the outside (the side you look at when mounted) of my 7.50R16 steel wheel, and the tube is out. But %&*!@%&@ I cannot get the second bead off. The rim is loose within the tire but I just can't make any headway. These are just standard Dunlop 7.50R16 tires... I've searched the interwebs and it seems like the second bead is usually not all that troublesome. But maybe I'm wrong, the is my first time to do this with a car tire.
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jhealey said:

So I've removed the first bead from the outside (the side you look at when mounted) of my 7.50R16 steel wheel, and the tube is out. But %&*!@%&@ I cannot get the second bead off. The rim is loose within the tire but I just can't make any headway. These are just standard Dunlop 7.50R16 tires... I've searched the interwebs and it seems like the second bead is usually not all that troublesome. But maybe I'm wrong, the is my first time to do this with a car tire.
&%*@#.

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I might be way off here but if you drop one side of the tyre into the middle of the rim so the tyre is at an angle that gives should give you enough space too get a tyre lever under.

Are you taking the tyre off the rim from the correct side ?

Take it off towards the outer side of the rim
A bit of cheap soap rubbed on the bead might help
Used to sit my highlift jack on the rim. ( use wood to protect ) then place under say the defender cross member etc and barely add vehicle weight to secure rim on the floor but don't start picking the truck up
Try a big lever now

Thanks guys. I did take the first bead off towards the outside (the side you see when it's mounted). But I've realized that now I'm trying to get the second bead off of that same side, and that's the side that has the deeper/taller ridge inside the rim -- so the second bead appears that it wraps around that and gets too tight. Are you meant to take the tire off from the inside so the second bead goes over the shallower side of the inside of the rim?

I'll give the hi-lift a shot to just keep the wheel down -- I've still got it attached to the back bumper from breaking the bead. That and some washing up liquid and see how it goes.

I was reading this scan of a manual from a Series I as inspiration... cool old manual and it shows it coming off from the outside. Of course, bias plies I would assume are a different story compared to a radial.

Land Rover

Well, to respond to my own thread... this video proved to be the solution. Rubber hammer it out. Mine wasn't at all as easy, but it did come. Glad I learned this in my driveway rather than in the bush somewhere. Now just four more to do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NytMCzPDMDw

He makes it look really easy. I dunno why I've been bothering taking them to tyre shops all these years. Must give it a try.

Don't know what state it would leave alloy or painted wheels in with those levers

Not to point out the obvious, but I definitely would not try this with tubeless alloys, those just aren't meant to be removed by hand and also have to have the bead seated after. Except when it's an emergency... I've seen people use a ratchet strap around the diameter of the tire once it's on to seat it.

I scratched the exterior of my black tubed steel rim, but only when I was trying to take the second bead off and wasn't doing it right. I did though end up taking the tire off from the opposite side -- the inside of the wheel. In a tubed LR rim, there's two humps around it, and the one to the inside of the wheel is narrower, so in theory when that second bead is wrapped around the diameter of the wheel, the narrower side should be a little easier to get it around. If I do another maybe can post a video (carefully edited to make it look easy and without all the profanity...).

I had a flat on this wheel, but the plan is to remove all the tires, get them bead or sandblasted, and repainted... some rust on the inside of them and would prefer to go back to the standard LR white.