Thinking of getting a Classic

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rasheed

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Owning a P38 has raised my pain threshold so I'm now considering adding a Classic. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Here in Germany decent ones are rare but I did find one from Portugal on Ebay looks smart.

Land Rover Range Rover 4.2 LSE i Lang Schwarz Braun bei eBay.de: Sonstige Marken (endet 08.08.10 20:24:56 MESZ)


Thing is, could one of you RRC experts please advise, what I should be looking for/at when considering one? What were the trim levels and engines? Was the 4.2 LSE a good one?



BTW, this is the Google Translation of the advert:

For auction is the fully equipped Range Rover 4.2 LSE i my mother, the car is second hand and has Spanish papers. It is a former "Mallorca" Range Rover. The car was bought new in Germany, and then used mainly in the holiday season, service was mostly used in Germany.

The car has, in principle, no rust, all the typical places liable to rust at the Classic here in top condition (leg room, wheelhouse, engine compartment). However, it was in the driver's side foot space a few rust bubbles present (only at the surface), these were removed, and protected against further rust and waxed (now better protected than new). The car is unique and truly cared for as can be seen also on the beautiful color combination, was not simply just "a car", but really a collector's item and catcher.

Tailgate, up / down as new.

We have let the car completely only recently Hohlraumversiegeln / waxing, all problematic folds were treated as a precaution, I can also send you more pictures to it. Mechanically, the car top, he has now over 80 000 KM down and check book is maintained (up to 55000km). It is for this reliable technique to nothing.

A new registration in Portugal would cost about 25,000 euros (recently CO2 and tax capacity) so we leave the car here no more, my mother wanted him to drive himself then in Munich but now you have changed your mind.

To make a German approval is not a problem thanks to EU and costs about 200-300 €.

The paint was replaced 4 years ago and of course was also done extremely well, and costly, not 0815, visually see the car from when he was a few years ago, even the undulating sheet was seen always at Land Rover factory is now 100 % glassy, and looks just great and tiefglänzend.

The good external condition is continued in the interior: leather in excellent condition, not worn or sagging, (work) Range Rover radio available, including optional Premium Sound Package consisting of subwoofer and CD changer in the trunk (right) ... so what was formerly of course not, not even in the class. Recently, the speaker unfortunately inferior original paper by same high-quality Blaupunkt have been replaced, we no longer see, but heard already), Memory seat / mirror memory page, just full equipment, all that was then. The sky is perfectly (looks like new). Glass sunroof. Rims are undamaged and paint top (visually as new). Battery is new. Pirelli tires have very good profile and are worn evenly.

Everything works, of course. Even the often faulty memory control of the seat / mirror was recently overhauled / repaired with battery changing the controller.

New service was only because we wanted to work among the cars actually re-allow, also differential, gearbox and engine was the oil changed.

If you drive the car jerks with nothing, everything is buttery and the differentials and other mechanical parts are very good.

The air suspension works eindwandfrei pumps (on immediate and regulated properly is far on the road or highway of schwammingen suspension of normal cars ahead. In my opinion, the ride comfort is better in itself than with a newer P38 Range Rover, which is also in the family is gone, and nearly half a ton more weight which is noticeable). The Range Rover Classic with air suspension, however, is almost crisp and light footed in the curves on the road.

Currently he is with us in Portugal (near Portimao, Algarve so), I am contacted at 00 351 92 675 25 27, the car but I can let go also to us to Munich if serious interest. A flight to the Algarve costs nowadays not much, then possibly make a holiday and watch your car? Reliable transportation, you can organize for 800 Eur with ADAC (I always use when I leave my car and drive back to Portugal).

Deficiencies: What really is not smooth, there are holes in the dashboard, there must be someone who once installed a phone or GPS. In the right rear tail light is a (very) small jump. On the hood are rock falls. Otherwise, nothing is really ugly in the eye, all gepfelgt top. With a few hundred euro is also resolved all this.

More photos on our website http://www.petzinger.eu/. For more details like photos via email.

Conditions for payment:

A deposit of 500 Eur is within three working days (from end of auction to pay), this can also be used like Paypal.

The rest in cash on collection or bank transfer. The car needs before collection and no later than within 14 days from the end of his auction, paid in full. No checks and no carpets!

Bidders: Hands off, otherwise it will be expensive.

Now happy bidding.

Back to the Range Rover, there is this: OVP brand new Land Rover climate Compressor (the reserve), service times thought he would break but was just a leaky pipe / fitting.

CAUTION:

THE CAR IS THE TIME OF U.S. ONLY EBAY OFFERS, YOU NEED A SIMILAR OFFER FOR MOBILE OR WHERE OTHERWISE SEE (WITH THE SAME IMAGES OR DATA) Where the case is a scam, I HAVE ONLY OF MOBILE SO AN INDICATOR REMOVAL LEAVE AFTER ME A MEMBER OF THE SAME pointed out IN HIS CAR HAD SURVIVED. THANKS again at this point! ALSO CAUTION, DA ZOCKER WHAT AB!

Please note: The car is in Portugal, not in Munich. With the transport but I can of course be happy to help.
 
LSe was the long wheel base and they all had air suspension same as the p38 so check that.The 4.2 lump had the same issues as the 3.9 v8.Think all were vogue se spec so lots of electrical gadets-dunno wots working and what aint.Check for rust same as any other classic, if its in sunny sapin then might not be a proplem.
 
I would try and find one that has been converted to springs as the air suspension on them can be a real expensive pain in the arse.

Rust will be the biggest killer , front and back inner wings,seatbelt anchors boot floor sides and floorpans and bulkhead and a b and c posts bases and the bonnet and inner doors can be problems too. and check the chassis and rear body crossmember as well.

even if they say no rust we have heard it all before so check it out!

compared to the p38 it will be problem free I am sure :p
 
Hiya Fett, yes will definitely go through it very closely looking for rust. As for the suspension, I've actually completely renewed the air suspension in my P38, new bags, new o'rings and collets all around, new dessicant, compressor rebuild, valve block rebuild, height sensors swapped around (front) and contact-cleaned (rear). Took my time and to be honest wasn't too difficult although there were moments of frustration. Would it be similar for a Classic or a whole other type of animal?

And Goonarmy, 3.9 was pretty good engine wasn't it? So hopefully 4.2 also pretty bullet-proof? And this one's barely done 50,000 miles.

What about drivetrain, autobox and electronics anyone? Stuff like BECM/ECU losing sync, brakes clicking, battery drain issues, phantom alarm issues? Those are all P38 problems as you all know. Anything in particular to beware of here?

Thanks fellas!

ps. What d'you think of this car in particular based on the ad and photos?
 
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I think they used the lse to test the a/s for the p38 so I guess it would be similar.

Most classic drivers take the line that if it were on springs you wouldnt have to do any of that though lol

well unless they were britpart springs :doh:
 
3.9 NOT BULLET PROOF AS THE MILAGE GETS HIGHER.sLIPPED LINERS, PORUS BLOCKS AND HEAD GASKET FAILURES ARE ALL THINGS TO WATCH OUT FOR-ALTHOUGH YA CANT REALLY PREDICT EM.Its appear ive left me caps on noit shouting honest.50000 miles aint much, should be good for at least the same again.Keep on top of servicing though.My 3.9 wanted oil cahnges every 6k miles!
 
yeah it can happen although more people seem to complain about those faults on the 4.2 than the 3.9 but who knows , WE JUST KNOW THE 3.5 WAS THE TOUGHEST AND THE 4.6 IS THE WORST lol :D
 
That looks pretty tidy. I didn't see a price , maybe I missed it.
I'm just into my third month of soft dash LSE ownership and its not bad.
It rusts - bonnets, inner wings, floor pans, sills, tailgates (they seem to have been replaced), rear cross members.
I quite like the air suspension - yes it can be a pain but then can't anything if it doesn't work properly. It gives a good ride.
They are easy to get under and have a good poke about. Even easier if you lift the suspension and fix it at the top setting.
Usual V8 oil leaks and fuel consumption.
Rear leg room is great. I have nothing to compare it to but there is loads of space in the back.
Leather and electric everything. Check it works - seats - movement and heating, AC, cruise etc.
If it works for you do it, I doubt you'll regret it too much:)
 
Thanks fellas, good pointers all. I see you've a cosy little Classics group going too - might be applyin' to join if all goes well!
 
Have to agree with almost all the posts...I love mine.

When I bought it, it had a rotting deer carcass on the roof rack and lots of rust and problems.

Look for rust in the tail gate. That almost always (eventually) needs replacing. But then again, check for rust everywhere! Like dkl1971 says. Be aware of it.

I'm a fan of replacing the air suspension with shocks. It's made my job at upkeep easier.

Since sinking money into to get it going I have fallen in love. Amazing machine. Just keep an eye on battery drain and all the other phantom electrical pitfalls.
 
The LSE was only made for two years & was (if you take a cynical view) used to trial a number of components for the forth-coming P38:doh: With such a short production run parts unique to the vehicle are becoming more difficult to scource & (on the subject of structual corrosion) I understand that the all-important sills are no longer available. I have also read that the 4.2 engine has been known to break crankshafts.
 
I've had a few Classics one was an F reg 3.5 which was absolutely great, the next was a converted 300 TDI which was good, especially on fuel! and the 3rd was an LPG converted 3.9, out of all of them the 3.9 engine was a bit of an oil drinker but then the car had a hard life and was on 200k miles so I don't think their that bad:).
After my brothers troubles with a 4.6 HSE a few years ago I did the sensible thing and went Classic---->L322 and skipped the P38 altogether!.
I would still love another Classic though, ideal for me would be a highish spec manual 200 TDI in Ardennes Green, I don't know why but it's my favourite colour on a Classic by miles.
 
mines ardennes green, I like it alot too.

I am wondering if I should paint my 72 rrc that colour too, when I get it finished that is lol
 
WE JUST KNOW THE 3.5 WAS THE TOUGHEST AND THE 4.6 IS THE WORST lol :D
I think you have that back to front. The early 3.5's threw bearings, etc. The early 4.6's had problems with liners, etc. But later in the run they only made 4.6's with A grade blocks and used the lower standard blocks for the 4.0. So a later 4.6 is an excellent motor and will certainly leave a 3.5 for dead in driveability.
 
yeah but did we not see all that rpi stuff about 4.6's running lean and that causing the slipped liners to be exacerbated etc in addtion the tooling was so knackered when coscast got hold of it they had to rework it so the 4.6's built before then must have been ropey with 1.5mm block thickness around the liners lol.

Really though I think alot depends on the brummy bastid doing the work on the day :p

also thinking of lpg issues I think 3.5's have better survivablility and 4.6's the worst from what I have read on here but to be honest if they had just fitted top hat liners from new I think we all would have been alot happier!
 
I personally think 3.5 efi hotwire or 3.9 lump and not the same cc 4.0 branded lump-seemed to be better reliability.

I would therefore suggest that as fett has said, several things come into play
1)build quality
2)cooling system design
3)fueling
 
What colour is your '72 at the moment?, I would love another classic in Ardennes green, that and Plymouth blue look the best.
One of my Classics was black which I didn't think suited it that well to tell the truth.

What about the 200/300 Tdi for the original poster?.
 
its only worth having if its a v8 mate!

the 72 is its original green at mo but its pretty faded and matt and it has peeled in the few places.

it will either be ardennes green as I like it alot or it will be satin black to be a bit cheaper and look badass or finally silver as its easy to look after and never shows the dirt!

Mind you I have a few years to decide as I am not going to make a rush job of doing it up and if I am driving it in its original green it will have a ratrod look to it lol
 
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