Things that never make the news...

Alex wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 19:18:16 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 18:40:42 +0100, "Larry" <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Well my series must be a smoke free zone, cos there is neither ashtray
>>>nor cigarette lighter.
>>
>>My Series _is_ an ashtray...
>
> I use the rear tub of mine for a rubbish bin. When i finish my
> sandwich etc. at the wheel i just chuck the rubbish over my shoulder.
>
> Unfortunatly the habit is so ingrained that I continued to to it when
> I was driving my little Nova every day. People getting in the back had
> to trample the rubbish down in order to sit.
>
> Alex
The back of my 110 County looks like that at the moment - got the
grandchildren for the school holidays.
JD

in article [email protected], JD at [email protected] wrote on
30/9/05 10:00 pm:

> hugh wrote:
>
>> In message <[email protected]>, Mother <"@
>> {mother} @"@101fc.net> writes
>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:25:21 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now compare that to tuning the radio, finding a cassette/CD, picking
>>>> out your favourite colour Jelly Baby, talking to a passenger etc
>>>> and things will be in perspective - it's in-car entertainment that
>>>> should be banned - and non-signle colour Jelly Babies;-)
>>>
>>> Nothing, and I mean NOTHING compares to having a couple of screaming
>>> kids in the back...
>>>
>>>
>> A f****** barking dog!!!
>
> Two barking dogs...
> (Any advance on two?)
> JD
plus four kids?
--
Nikki

2000 Discovery V8
1990 Discovery V8
1979 Lightweight 2.25 petrol
1976 Series lll 2.25 petrol - in need of repair

In news:[email protected],
Mother" <"@ {mother} @ <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> typed:
| On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:25:21 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
| <[email protected]> wrote:
|
|| Now compare that to tuning the radio, finding a cassette/CD, picking
|| out your favourite colour Jelly Baby, talking to a passenger etc
|| and things will be in perspective - it's in-car entertainment that
|| should be banned - and non-signle colour Jelly Babies;-)
|
| Nothing, and I mean NOTHING compares to having a couple of screaming
| kids in the back...
|
|
| --
| "We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
| of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
| increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
| In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

I must disagree. A couple of two year old German Shepherd pups fighting in
the back is a pretty good distraction. The fur really does fly!!!

Karen


--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

On or around Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:23:25 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 21:07:35 +0100, "Richard Brookman"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Does that mean that the machete that I carry in the S2a (for "gardening" on
>>a lane - and very well hidden from casual observers) should not be there?
>>Serious question.
>
>Provided you can demonstrate a legitimate use for it, you have very
>little to worry about. Unless of course, you use it for any
>'different' purpose which cannot reasonably be claimed as self defence
>in a 'situation'. A carpet fitter once got off with using a Stanley
>knife during a fight - as he'd claimed he used it for work (I, it has
>to be said, would not necessarily have agreed with that decision).

probably every carpet fitter has a stanley knife... and if he was attacked
while holding it, well, I would too, I reckon.

>The same 6 cell Maglite I'd used some 8 odd years ago to 'defend'
>myself against a couple of 'burglars' (I believed them to be burglars,
>as they were in my back garden trying to force a window). I asked
>whether this could be accepted as an offwep.

I thought that was why the transpondian dibbles were issued with same?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

In message <BF638807.2FEE%[email protected]>, Nikki
<[email protected]> writes
>in article [email protected], JD at [email protected] wrote on
>30/9/05 10:00 pm:
>
>> hugh wrote:
>>
>>> In message <[email protected]>, Mother <"@
>>> {mother} @"@101fc.net> writes
>>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 15:25:21 +0000 (UTC), beamendsltd
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now compare that to tuning the radio, finding a cassette/CD, picking
>>>>> out your favourite colour Jelly Baby, talking to a passenger etc
>>>>> and things will be in perspective - it's in-car entertainment that
>>>>> should be banned - and non-signle colour Jelly Babies;-)
>>>>
>>>> Nothing, and I mean NOTHING compares to having a couple of screaming
>>>> kids in the back...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> A f****** barking dog!!!
>>
>> Two barking dogs...
>> (Any advance on two?)
>> JD
>plus four kids?
Give in, you win.
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

In message <[email protected]>, steve Taylor
<[email protected]> writes
>hugh wrote:
>
>> A f****** barking dog!!!
>
>On its own ? On the back seat or the roofrack ?
>
>Steve
That's a good idea!!
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting

On or around Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:26:35 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother}
@"@101fc.net> enlightened us thusly:

>On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 23:19:52 +0100, Lee_D
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>>Shall I bring the chainsaw?
>>
>>Only if it's ex Army!
>
>I think people would be happier if I didn't bring the 36inch
>ex-military chainsaw actually. I'll bring the 18inch civvy jobbie,
>just in case...
>
>Austin, can you bring a couple of windfalls please?

I expect I might manage it. Are we going to have the famous fire-pit?
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)

trigger lock outs and sight cams?? why not go the whole hog and have bad guy seeking bullets. you know the ones i mean , you fire them into a crowd and if any of them are carrying explosives of any kind it seeks them out and heads for the brian. one last thought or is it my first. are you sure it was the police that shot him and not some sneeky beaky from one of the establiments with 3 initials? mi6,sas,mi5 or any others one we know nothing of.
p.s who's bringing the baked tatties

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:27 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:39:59 GMT, Jeremy Mortimer
><[email protected]_this.org> wrote:
>
>>instead learn Czech, or Latvian, or Romanian
>
>Got friends who upped and moved to Romania a couple of years ago.
>
>I've given it some thought, but the place is still pretty grim.

I've just got back from 2 weeks in crete, and I'm fairly certain I
could get used to picking olives and drinking Raki.....
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

In news:[email protected],
Steve Taylor <[email protected]> blithered:
> Lee_D wrote:
>
>
>> Oh I could go on and on on this subject. Like do you think that those
>> officers relish the thought that the person they are about to send to
>> meet their maker could be innocent?
>
> I don't think they do, I don't think they think, they are filled with
> the blood lust that humans get in on a hunt, of anything. Its basic,
> low-level, hard wired into our low brain functions, deep in our animal
> brains (amygdala ? ). Once the "chase" was on the outcome was pretty
> inevitable.
>
> The officers were doing what they were trained to do, sure, but what
> they were doing was based on horrendous intelligence, and we now find
> out that they had safer options for taking him down BEFORE he got on a
> crowded tube, even assuming he was a suicide bomber.
>

I still can't handle the fact that particular gentleman was already restrained
before the goon with the bloodlust dispatched him with 9? bullets.



> And if I were designing suicide bomb fuses, you sure as hell wouldn't
> stop mine going off just by shooting the guy with the button.
> Fortunately these groups don't have real engineers working for them.
>
> Steve



--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

In news:[email protected],
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> blithered:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:51:35 +0100, Lee_D
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> During stardate Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:20:30 GMT, SpamTrapSeeSig
>> <[email protected]> uttered the imortal words:
>>
>>> The Commissioner of the Met. and the Home Secretary now want us to
>>> accept killing by the police on mere suspicion of criminality.
>>>
>>> Something is very, very wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Simonm.
>>
>> Oh goodie my turn for a rant.
>>
>> So when you have reason to suspect [1] that the chap infront has his
>> finger on a trigger of a explosive device which may work on release
>> and is intent on doing what he set out regardless of what any one
>> else says / does how do you deal with that, say in a Railway station
>> or other area full of the public where mass loss of life is most
>> certain? Taking out the command centre, i.e. the brain.. with the
>> faint hope that the finger will stay put on that trigger and maybe
>> SOME people can go home that day.
>
> You follow them through crowded streets, on a bus and then down into a
> crowded tube station. Then shoot them...

Not quite, get one of your colleagues to hold him still, and then shoot him!

>
> <snip>
>
>> Oh I could go on and on on this subject. Like do you think that those
>> officers relish the thought that the person they are about to send to
>> meet their maker could be innocent? The stats are well stacked
>> against it but when the Captial is being pinged by multiple bomb
>> attacks each fortnight you still have little choice.
>
> I feel sorry for the guys doing the job, to the best of their ability
> and with the training and policies they have.
>
> But however you slice it, the whole episode stinks. I don't think
> anyone wanted to kill an innocent man, but the events immediately
> before and after reek of cover up and corruption.
>
>
> The sad truth is that every restriction of freedom and every chip out
> of our traditional way of life is another small victory for terrorism.
> I guess that makes Blair the biggest terrorist of all.



--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> Steve Taylor <[email protected]> blithered:
>> Lee_D wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Oh I could go on and on on this subject. Like do you think that those
>>> officers relish the thought that the person they are about to send to
>>> meet their maker could be innocent?
>>
>> I don't think they do, I don't think they think, they are filled with
>> the blood lust that humans get in on a hunt, of anything. Its basic,
>> low-level, hard wired into our low brain functions, deep in our animal
>> brains (amygdala ? ). Once the "chase" was on the outcome was pretty
>> inevitable.
>>
>> The officers were doing what they were trained to do, sure, but what
>> they were doing was based on horrendous intelligence, and we now find
>> out that they had safer options for taking him down BEFORE he got on a
>> crowded tube, even assuming he was a suicide bomber.
>>
>
> I still can't handle the fact that particular gentleman was already restrained before the goon with the
> bloodlust dispatched him with 9? bullets.
>

Eyewitness reports of the incident

Mark Whitby said: "I was sitting on the train... I heard a load of noise,

people saying, 'Get out, get down'.
I saw an Asian guy. He ran on to the train, he was hotly pursued by three
plain clothes officers, one of them was wielding a black handgun

(snip)

"He [the suspect] had a baseball cap on and quite a sort of thickish coat -
it was a coat you'd wear in winter, sort of like a padded jacket.
He might have had something concealed under there, I don't know. But it
looked sort of out of place with the sort of weather we've been having, the
sort of hot humid weather"

Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell station,
told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man.
"I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting 'get down,
get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb belt and wires
coming out and people were panicking and I heard two shots being fired."


Two eye witnesses one saying his coat looked out of place and may conceal
a bomb the other says he appeared to have a bomb belt on

the problem with hindsight is it never there when you need it
Imagine the headlines "police follow suspected bomber onto crowded
train and do nothing as 50 die in explosion"


--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green

In news:[email protected],
Andy.Smalley <[email protected]> blithered:
> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In news:[email protected],
>> Steve Taylor <[email protected]> blithered:
>>> Lee_D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Oh I could go on and on on this subject. Like do you think that
>>>> those officers relish the thought that the person they are about
>>>> to send to meet their maker could be innocent?
>>>
>>> I don't think they do, I don't think they think, they are filled
>>> with the blood lust that humans get in on a hunt, of anything. Its
>>> basic, low-level, hard wired into our low brain functions, deep in
>>> our animal brains (amygdala ? ). Once the "chase" was on the
>>> outcome was pretty inevitable.
>>>
>>> The officers were doing what they were trained to do, sure, but what
>>> they were doing was based on horrendous intelligence, and we now
>>> find out that they had safer options for taking him down BEFORE he
>>> got on a crowded tube, even assuming he was a suicide bomber.
>>>
>>
>> I still can't handle the fact that particular gentleman was already
>> restrained before the goon with the bloodlust dispatched him with 9?
>> bullets.
>
> Eyewitness reports of the incident
>
> Mark Whitby said: "I was sitting on the train... I heard a load of
> noise,
> people saying, 'Get out, get down'.
> I saw an Asian guy. He ran on to the train, he was hotly pursued by
> three plain clothes officers, one of them was wielding a black handgun
>
> (snip)
>
> "He [the suspect] had a baseball cap on and quite a sort of thickish
> coat - it was a coat you'd wear in winter, sort of like a padded
> jacket. He might have had something concealed under there, I don't know. But
> it looked sort of out of place with the sort of weather we've been
> having, the sort of hot humid weather"
>
> Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell
> station, told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man.
> "I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting
> 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb
> belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two
> shots being fired."
>
> Two eye witnesses one saying his coat looked out of place and may
> conceal a bomb the other says he appeared to have a bomb belt on
>
> the problem with hindsight is it never there when you need it
> Imagine the headlines "police follow suspected bomber onto crowded
> train and do nothing as 50 die in explosion"

Not sure your description agrees with what has been published at various times
since.

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

In news:[email protected],
GbH <[email protected]> blithered:
> In news:[email protected],
> Andy.Smalley <[email protected]> blithered:
>> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In news:[email protected],
>>> Steve Taylor <[email protected]> blithered:
>>>> Lee_D wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh I could go on and on on this subject. Like do you think that
>>>>> those officers relish the thought that the person they are about
>>>>> to send to meet their maker could be innocent?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think they do, I don't think they think, they are filled
>>>> with the blood lust that humans get in on a hunt, of anything. Its
>>>> basic, low-level, hard wired into our low brain functions, deep in
>>>> our animal brains (amygdala ? ). Once the "chase" was on the
>>>> outcome was pretty inevitable.
>>>>
>>>> The officers were doing what they were trained to do, sure, but
>>>> what they were doing was based on horrendous intelligence, and we
>>>> now find out that they had safer options for taking him down
>>>> BEFORE he got on a crowded tube, even assuming he was a suicide
>>>> bomber.
>>>
>>> I still can't handle the fact that particular gentleman was already
>>> restrained before the goon with the bloodlust dispatched him with 9?
>>> bullets.
>>
>> Eyewitness reports of the incident
>>
>> Mark Whitby said: "I was sitting on the train... I heard a load of
>> noise,
>> people saying, 'Get out, get down'.
>> I saw an Asian guy. He ran on to the train, he was hotly pursued by
>> three plain clothes officers, one of them was wielding a black
>> handgun (snip)
>>
>> "He [the suspect] had a baseball cap on and quite a sort of thickish
>> coat - it was a coat you'd wear in winter, sort of like a padded
>> jacket. He might have had something concealed under there, I don't
>> know. But it looked sort of out of place with the sort of weather
>> we've been having, the sort of hot humid weather"
>>
>> Commuter Anthony Larkin, who was also on the train at Stockwell
>> station, told 5 Live he saw police chasing a man.
>> "I saw these police officers in uniform and out of uniform shouting
>> 'get down, get down', and I saw this guy who appeared to have a bomb
>> belt and wires coming out and people were panicking and I heard two
>> shots being fired."
>>
>> Two eye witnesses one saying his coat looked out of place and may
>> conceal a bomb the other says he appeared to have a bomb belt on
>>
>> the problem with hindsight is it never there when you need it
>> Imagine the headlines "police follow suspected bomber onto crowded
>> train and do nothing as 50 die in explosion"
>
> Not sure your description agrees with what has been published at
> various times since.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/uk/05/london_blasts/tube_shooting/html/shooting.stm

Seems to be a fairly concise description.



--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

Simon Hi,

comparing Crete mainly with Romania or less so with Latvia is like comparing
heaven with hell or its waiting room (for Latvia eventhough this is a bit of
an overstatement since Latvia is actually a pretty nice place and people
there are EXTREMELY friendly).

Could not say so about a comparison between Crete and Czech though mainly
because of all those angel like looking Chezh chicks though.

But comparing Greece to ex-Eastern block countries is not a fair game, at
least not yet.

And Romania is a place you better still avoid (especially now with the
birds' flue incidents and serious lack of health standards)

Take care
Pantelis (who is Greek but tries to be objective on the above comments)

"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:27 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
> >On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:39:59 GMT, Jeremy Mortimer
> ><[email protected]_this.org> wrote:
> >
> >>instead learn Czech, or Latvian, or Romanian
> >
> >Got friends who upped and moved to Romania a couple of years ago.
> >
> >I've given it some thought, but the place is still pretty grim.
>
> I've just got back from 2 weeks in crete, and I'm fairly certain I
> could get used to picking olives and drinking Raki.....
> --
>
> Simon Isaacs
>
> Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
> Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
> 101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
> 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
> Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and
mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
> Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
> 1993 200 TDi Discovery
> 1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
> 1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

>
> Not sure your description agrees with what has been published at various times since.
>


Perhaps not but the point I was trying to make was that two eye witnesses
said what they saw at the time which could possibly be the same as the
police had seen and acted upon
so are you saying that theses two were lying?
Or is it so much media coverage has distorted the truth so much we just
don't know what really happened and perhaps never will



--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green

In news:[email protected],
Andy.Smalley <[email protected]> blithered:
>> Not sure your description agrees with what has been published at
>> various times since.
>
>
> Perhaps not but the point I was trying to make was that two eye
> witnesses said what they saw at the time which could possibly be the
> same as the police had seen and acted upon
> so are you saying that theses two were lying?
> Or is it so much media coverage has distorted the truth so much we
> just don't know what really happened and perhaps never will

Except that the poor bastard is dead for no good reason.
And I would say more worryingly the apparent overmeister declined to take
responsibility seemingly prefering to try to cover it up! But I won't because it
isn't.

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 10:42:05 +0300, "Pantelis Giamarellos"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:

Quite probably unfair to compare Crete/greece with romania, etc. and
certainly no offence meant.

I did enjoy Crete, thought the pace of life wonderful, the people
friendly, extremely cheap compared to rip off Britain (eg petrol
70p/litre).

One thing that did strike me was the difference between rich and poor.
We stayed about 1 mile from Malia/Stalis which was fairly affluent,
yet the Plateau of Lasithi was just 15miles away, which seemed to be
fairly poor, with very little mechanisation. Even more striking is
coming out of Heraklion airport to find a shanty town. I thought they
were mainly a South American thing... Just seemed to strike me as
odd.

>Simon Hi,
>
>comparing Crete mainly with Romania or less so with Latvia is like comparing
>heaven with hell or its waiting room (for Latvia eventhough this is a bit of
>an overstatement since Latvia is actually a pretty nice place and people
>there are EXTREMELY friendly).
>
>Could not say so about a comparison between Crete and Czech though mainly
>because of all those angel like looking Chezh chicks though.
>
>But comparing Greece to ex-Eastern block countries is not a fair game, at
>least not yet.
>
>And Romania is a place you better still avoid (especially now with the
>birds' flue incidents and serious lack of health standards)
>
>Take care
>Pantelis (who is Greek but tries to be objective on the above comments)
>
>"Simon Isaacs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 11:11:27 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>> scribbled the following nonsense:
>>
>> >On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:39:59 GMT, Jeremy Mortimer
>> ><[email protected]_this.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>instead learn Czech, or Latvian, or Romanian
>> >
>> >Got friends who upped and moved to Romania a couple of years ago.
>> >
>> >I've given it some thought, but the place is still pretty grim.
>>
>> I've just got back from 2 weeks in crete, and I'm fairly certain I
>> could get used to picking olives and drinking Raki.....
>> --
>>
>> Simon Isaacs
>>
>> Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
>> Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
>> 101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
>> 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
>> Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and
>mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
>> Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
>> 1993 200 TDi Discovery
>> 1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
>> 1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis
>
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>On or around Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:27:42 +0100, Lee_D
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>>I.e. it's the item in this case that is offensive and not the action
>>for the possesion offence. Owness is on the defendant to prove that
>>"on the balance of probabilites" the possesion was reasonable. Whilst
>>this may sound harsh it's not quite as harsh as having to "prove
>>beyond all reasonable doubt" that the possesion was reasonable.
>
>yet a another erosion of the presumption of innocence.

History lesson folk!

It was eroded a long time ago, see the Vagrancy Act of 1824 which made
possession of an offensive weapon without good reason or lawful excuse
an offence. The onus was upon the person concerned to prove he had good
reason or lawful excuse. To wit:

"Section 1. Any person who without lawful authority or reasonable
excuse, the proof whereof shall lie on him, has with him in any public
place any offensive weapon [shall be guilty of an offence]"

And what was an offensive weapon?

"Section 1(4). [...] offensive weapon means any article made or adapted
for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by
the person having it with him for such use by him or some other
person."

And if it could be shown that you possessed it with intent, here's what
you got:

"Section IX. [...] every person [...] being armed with any gun, pistol,
hanger, cutless, bludgeon, or other offensive weapon, with intent to
commit any felonious act; and it shall be lawful for any Justice of the
Peace to commit such offender [..] to hard labour for any time not
exceeding three calendar months."

and once there life got tougher,

"Section X. [...] that when any incorrigible rogue shall have been
committed to the house of correction [the Justices sitting at the
General or Quarter Sessions] if they think fit, that such an offender
(not being female) be punished by whipping [...] according to the
nature of the offence they in their discretion shall deem expedient."

So, not all bad news, eh? LOL

--
Jonathan

The worst time to have a heart attack is when you're playing charades

In message <[email protected]>, Steve
<[email protected]> writes

>Use the army. Don't arm civilians. And I class the police as civilians.
>Put recording cameras on all police firearms

How? Where is the data going to be stored? Where are the batteries?
What resolution? Have you ever examined CCTV footage: most of it is
useless.

>And only permit the use of rifles and not handguns,

1. how do you covertly carry a rifle? one reason for carrying pistols
is that they can be covertly carried: what the public doesn't see the
public doesn't worry about.

2. pistols are relatively low powered, and the bullets used by the
police in their pistols and 'sub-machine guns' are designed not to leave
the body ('over penetrate').

3. Rifles deliver >very< much more power than pistols and a rifle
bullet will readily pass through the intended target and go on to strike
anyone else in its path. Is that acceptable?

4. Rifles are much less manoeuvrable than either pistols or sub-machine
guns. How do you manoeuvre a rifle on a crowded tube train? The pistol
is a close-quarter weapon, the rifle is not.

Ob.Land-Rover

I'm going to put my S3 88" back on the road (it has the MOT), but where
to look for insurance. My road car is insured with Direct Line.
Comments?

--
Jonathan

The worst time to have a heart attack is when you're playing charades