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On 2006-06-25, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> not sure how strong the front axle is, but then again, it'd be
> sharing the work with a normal rear axle - unless you have a fixed
> one then you can have 2 salisburys.


The Escaro 8x8 is based on a 110 axle, drivetrain and suspension
setup, with steering axles at the front and rear. An 8x8 101 would be
nice ;-)

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On 2006-06-25, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> I guess it depends on your terrain as well.


I don't think there's anything that doesn't!

> Mostly people "fail to proceed" on either steep uphills or serious
> gloop, and especially in the former case there's not much weight on
> the front end. In a really big mudhole then the difference between
> 5 and 6 wheel drive is not likely to be a major deciding factor
> although there are always going to be conditions where it makes a
> decisive difference as you point out.


In the case of my pinz, it's about half a tonne heavier than a 110,
but there's a greater concentration of weight at the front due to the
cab location although the engine would weight a lot less especially
with no water cooling. Behind the cab, which ends about where a 110
steering wheel is, there's just drivetrain, bodywork and chassis, all
supported by twice as many wheels as the 110 has. The front wheels in
such a situation would give a fair amount of additional grip as the
rear wheels have less downwards pressure on them so spin much more
readily. I can wheelspin the rears on gravel without trouble even
with a weedy 87BHP and about 133ft/lb (I think).

One of the situations where the front got me out was in a gloop-filled
trench that I wanted to get out of, one front wheel on the side of the
trench was enough to lift the truck up the side, whereas without the
diff lock, the other wheel ate the torque. The rears were just
pushing me forwards and backwards, I couldn't steer out without the
diff lock. There have been a few times when I reckon steering would
have been hard without both fronts playing a part in it, this is
particularly useful when you've got four wheels at the rear in a rut,
making steering harder than it might otherwise be. Climbing out of
ruts is much easier when both fronts are scrabbling for grip rather
than just one.

The other time was when climbing a hill through trees with big
potholes in the path on crumbly ground, the rears spun when the front
reached a big pothole as the wheel just waved in the air and soaked up
all the drive to the front axle.

> Look at it another way, would you pay an extr 500 quid for the last
> difflock, say?


If I was making an expedition vehicle that had already cost me a
reasonable amount, then yes, even if weight distribution wasn't so
nose-heavy as it is in an unladen pinz. I'd see if I could get a
discount for bulk from the supplier ;-)

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JD <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> I don't think the 101 uses rangerover axles, aren't they special to
> 101? Salisbury axles are plenty strong enough, but the front axles
> struggle to cope with the weight of the Isuzu engine in the Perentie
> Landrovers, so it might not be quite such a good idea in this
> application.
> JD


101's are one off's using Sailsbury Diffs with a lower ratio.

The swivels are welded to the axle and not bolted on too

There will sadly come a time when axles have to be replaced with summat else
due to supply.... portals sound very tempting.

Lee D
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On 2006-06-25, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:

> There will sadly come a time when axles have to be replaced with summat else
> due to supply.... portals sound very tempting.


Volvo C303 axles are a good bet, they have drum brakes but disc brake
conversions are easy and cheap, unlike for mine :-(

Also mog 404s.

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On or around Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:42 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>If I was making an expedition vehicle that had already cost me a
>reasonable amount, then yes, even if weight distribution wasn't so
>nose-heavy as it is in an unladen pinz. I'd see if I could get a
>discount for bulk from the supplier ;-)


there again, a fully-loaded expedition truck would have a LOT more weight on
the arse-end.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:11:51 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> scribbled the following
nonsense:

>JD <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
>> I don't think the 101 uses rangerover axles, aren't they special to
>> 101? Salisbury axles are plenty strong enough, but the front axles
>> struggle to cope with the weight of the Isuzu engine in the Perentie
>> Landrovers, so it might not be quite such a good idea in this
>> application.
>> JD

>
>101's are one off's using Sailsbury Diffs with a lower ratio.
>
>The swivels are welded to the axle and not bolted on too
>
>There will sadly come a time when axles have to be replaced with summat else
>due to supply.... portals sound very tempting.
>
>Lee D


really LR slipped up in the design of the 101, as portal axles were
available at the time the 101 was developed.
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
On or around Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:29:04 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-06-25, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There will sadly come a time when axles have to be replaced with summat else
>> due to supply.... portals sound very tempting.

>
>Volvo C303 axles are a good bet, they have drum brakes but disc brake
>conversions are easy and cheap, unlike for mine :-(


AIUI the volvo ones are low ratio or very low ratio. even lower then a 101.

>Also mog 404s.


I expect they're getting rare, too - mog 404s haven't been built for a
while.

110 salisbury looks the best bet. dunno about the front ones, though - I
imagine they carry more weight on a 101 than on a 110.


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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On or around Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:11:51 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>JD <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
>> I don't think the 101 uses rangerover axles, aren't they special to
>> 101? Salisbury axles are plenty strong enough, but the front axles
>> struggle to cope with the weight of the Isuzu engine in the Perentie
>> Landrovers, so it might not be quite such a good idea in this
>> application.
>> JD

>
>101's are one off's using Sailsbury Diffs with a lower ratio.
>
>The swivels are welded to the axle and not bolted on too


what's the rationale behind that? is it to make it stronger?
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On or around Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:08:26 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On 2006-06-25, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> not sure how strong the front axle is, but then again, it'd be
>> sharing the work with a normal rear axle - unless you have a fixed
>> one then you can have 2 salisburys.

>
>The Escaro 8x8 is based on a 110 axle, drivetrain and suspension
>setup, with steering axles at the front and rear. An 8x8 101 would be
>nice ;-)


yeah, that's the one I meant when I mentioned it previously. although it
looks to me that it uses 90 transmission - the axle spacing is about right
for that. Very cunning system, about the only non-standard bit in the
transmission is a shaft linking the back ends of 2 transfer boxes.

Mind, I reckon they missed a trick by not giving it a 5F/5R main box and
putting another cab on the back.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Nessun maggior dolore che ricordarsi del tempo felice nella miseria"
- Dante Alighieri (1265 - 1321) from Divina Commedia 'Inferno'
 
On or around Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:50:43 +0100, Simon Isaacs
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:14:30 +0100, Austin Shackles
><[email protected]> scribbled the following nonsense:
>
>>On or around Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:45:16 +0100, "Lee_D"
>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>
>>engine-wise, nice as the V8 is, for remote places it'd probably be better to
>>go with a diesel. LR TDi with a nice big intercooler would probably do it
>>nicely - with mild tweaking it should produce about the same power as the
>>3.5 V8, with maybe more torque.
>>

>
>in a 101 ambi the TDis are a bit gutless, probably more so in a 6X6! I
>think Martyn once said that Grumble weighs in at around 4 tonnes,
>which is really pushing the limit for a TDi.


yeah, but it'd be pushing the limits for a carb-fed 3.5 V8 as well -
Martyn's cheating by having a 4.6 in his.

The 200 or 300 TDi ought easily to be able to match the performance of the
standard 3.5 V8 - HBOL lists pre-79 V8 as 130 BHP and 185 ft-lb.
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On 2006-06-25, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> I expect they're getting rare, too - mog 404s haven't been built for a
> while.


No but there's a fair few of them around, and they get well looked
after on the military vehicle circuit so they'd be a good bet for the
longer term.

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