Austin ;-)

On or around Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:31:07 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:51:38 +0100, "Lee_D"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Quick google shows.....
>>
>>track 1520mm/1550mm,
>
>That sounds perfect for austins transit @ 150cm !
>
>Sounds like you need a 101 chassis/axles then Austin!
>
>what is the wheelbase of a transit?

111" as near as I can measure it, hence the 110 chassis, which will fit
without altering it. I've a sneaky suspicion that altering the chassis
would land you into SVA.

trouble is, that track is undoubtedly to the centre of the wheels. The
vehicles are similar width, but on the tranny the wheels are narrower (195s)
and are right out at the edge of the body, whereas the disco at least has a
bit of body beyond the edge of the wheels, which are in themselves wider.
The tranny rims are 5½" I think, and discos are 7".

however, I now reckon I know how to deal with that aspect.

All I have left to check now is the insurance position. I don't doubt
*someone* will insure it but I really need my current insurers to accept it
- most underwriters are leery of school work, and if I have to go full hire
and reward on it it'll cost a bloody fortune.
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On or around Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:35:47 +0100, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 12:31:07 +0100, Tom Woods
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 3 Oct 2006 11:51:38 +0100, "Lee_D"
>><[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Quick google shows.....
>>>
>>>track 1520mm/1550mm,
>>
>>That sounds perfect for austins transit @ 150cm !
>>
>>Sounds like you need a 101 chassis/axles then Austin!
>>
>>what is the wheelbase of a transit?
>
>hmm.
>
>101 inches = 2 565mm
>
>a 2002 on SWB transit would appear to be 2664 mm. did they change over
>time?

The later trannies are about 115". applies from about 2001 or so, the one
after the smiley face one.

dunno where you get the 2664. Ford's website say 2933, or about 115½"

ah. I see. Transit Connect is 2664. that's the little one, not a proper
trnasit at all, and not enough seats.
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On or around Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:00:49 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>GbH <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
>> Hmm, aren't 101s leafers? I know of one that's not but I think that
>> took rather lot of effort. Guess it don't matter if your just
>> dropping a body on it!
>
>101's have Parabolics as standard so the ride in my experience is the same
>as a coiled Rangie / Disco (I've had / got both)
>
>Also the chassis is a flat ladder arrangement, not a roller coaster ladder
>arangement as on the Rangie / Discos so I'd imagine that would actually make
>fitting a whole lot simpler.

apart from the requirement to move one or more wheelarches by about 10".

110" chassis under a 111" body will get the wheels about ½" off-centre,
which I can live with.

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Lee_D wrote:
> 101's have Parabolics as standard so the ride in my experience is the same
> as a coiled Rangie / Disco (I've had / got both)

Do they ? I thought they were ellipticals.

Steve
PS (Wheels are off now.)

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:00:49 +0100, "Lee_D"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >GbH <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> >
> >> Hmm, aren't 101s leafers? I know of one that's not but I think that
> >> took rather lot of effort. Guess it don't matter if your just
> >> dropping a body on it!
> >
> >101's have Parabolics as standard so the ride in my experience is the
same
> >as a coiled Rangie / Disco (I've had / got both)
> >
> >Also the chassis is a flat ladder arrangement, not a roller coaster
ladder
> >arangement as on the Rangie / Discos so I'd imagine that would actually
make
> >fitting a whole lot simpler.
>
> apart from the requirement to move one or more wheelarches by about 10".
>
> 110" chassis under a 111" body will get the wheels about ½" off-centre,
> which I can live with.
>
>
Don't know what you're building Austin but I've got a 110" chassis,
Rangie and 110" axles and a set of 2B FC rims with part worn Trac Edges on
them available.

Martin

On or around Tue, 3 Oct 2006 21:41:41 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Tue, 3 Oct 2006 13:00:49 +0100, "Lee_D"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>> >GbH <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> >
>> >> Hmm, aren't 101s leafers? I know of one that's not but I think that
>> >> took rather lot of effort. Guess it don't matter if your just
>> >> dropping a body on it!
>> >
>> >101's have Parabolics as standard so the ride in my experience is the
>same
>> >as a coiled Rangie / Disco (I've had / got both)
>> >
>> >Also the chassis is a flat ladder arrangement, not a roller coaster
>ladder
>> >arangement as on the Rangie / Discos so I'd imagine that would actually
>make
>> >fitting a whole lot simpler.
>>
>> apart from the requirement to move one or more wheelarches by about 10".
>>
>> 110" chassis under a 111" body will get the wheels about ½" off-centre,
>> which I can live with.
>>
>>
> Don't know what you're building Austin but I've got a 110" chassis,
>Rangie and 110" axles and a set of 2B FC rims with part worn Trac Edges on
>them available.

*perk*. are 2B rims the ones with more offset to create what is effectively
a wider track?

what size TEs?

I was thinking along the lines of 235/70 section tyres. This would suit
quite well the intention to use a 3.5 V8 rangie engine and 4-speed auto. If
I were to re-acquire my old 110, then that engine and box combo is already
installed... but then again, there's be a lot of hassle removing all the
bodywork.

235/70s would keep the overall wheel size down a bit and should result in
fewer clearance problems, although I expect 235/85s or 7.50s would work
equally well. 110 axles for preference, as the rear one is as tough as a
tough thing, also that helps in the "original parts" bit, and the rear one
has the wider spring mounts for the 110 rear springs.

Chassis... Has it got the steering box and steering gear? and if so, is it
a PAS box? not too keen on manual steering.

As to what... 110 chassis and running gear under a transit minibus body. Ah,
another point. does the chassis have a registration which can be
perpetuated? The idea is to retain the identity of the donor LR chassis,
which should be easy as it'll be using the original chassis, engine, axles
and suspension, which easily gets enough points under the modified vehicles
thing to retain the registration and avoid having it on a Q plate.

So... unless you have a 3.5 V8 and auto box combo in good condition... how
much for rolling chassis, 110 with 110 axles, or parts to assemble same?
separately, how much for the set of 2B rims and tyres (4 or 5?)?

If you do know for a good 3.5 V8 and auto box, a price for them as well, of
course...
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> > Don't know what you're building Austin but I've got a 110" chassis,
> >Rangie and 110" axles and a set of 2B FC rims with part worn Trac Edges
on
> >them available.
>

> *perk*. are 2B rims the ones with more offset to create what is
effectively
> a wider track?

I have an original 2286 diesel IIB FC and I would imagine the offset is
probably wider than standard but maybe they are just wider rims to take the
900 x 16 tyres. I can actually measure inside from rim to rim if necessary
as it is assembled. I did say they were 'available' as a friend of mine
offered them to me with tyres for £125 (I think there's 5) but I've already
got the right ones on mine.

> what size TEs?

but not sure of the tyre sizes, I can check.

>
> I was thinking along the lines of 235/70 section tyres. This would suit
> quite well the intention to use a 3.5 V8 rangie engine and 4-speed auto.
If
> I were to re-acquire my old 110, then that engine and box combo is already
> installed... but then again, there's be a lot of hassle removing all the
> bodywork.
>
> 235/70s would keep the overall wheel size down a bit and should result in
> fewer clearance problems, although I expect 235/85s or 7.50s would work
> equally well. 110 axles for preference, as the rear one is as tough as a
> tough thing, also that helps in the "original parts" bit, and the rear one
> has the wider spring mounts for the 110 rear springs.
>
> Chassis... Has it got the steering box and steering gear? and if so, is
it
> a PAS box? not too keen on manual steering.

No, it's manual, but there's a Range Rover at the side of it with power box
fitted.

>
> As to what... 110 chassis and running gear under a transit minibus body.
Ah,
> another point. does the chassis have a registration which can be
> perpetuated? The idea is to retain the identity of the donor LR chassis,
> which should be easy as it'll be using the original chassis, engine, axles
> and suspension, which easily gets enough points under the modified
vehicles
> thing to retain the registration and avoid having it on a Q plate.
>

I should be able to get the paperwork for it but didn't bother as I was
going to cut it up. It has had one new nearside bulkhead out rigger fitted
and the other side has not been fitted yet, also the rear end has been
removed to fit a new rear crossmember but not replaced. It is a long
standing refurbishment that has been abandoned eventually. The rest of the
chassis looks OK. Blue Bearmach 2" lift springs on it (new) full set.

> So... unless you have a 3.5 V8 and auto box combo in good condition...
how
> much for rolling chassis, 110 with 110 axles, or parts to assemble same?
> separately, how much for the set of 2B rims and tyres (4 or 5?)?
>
> If you do know for a good 3.5 V8 and auto box, a price for them as well,
of
> course...
>
I just got rid of only last week the efi engine from the Ra/Ro with LPG
conversion kit for £150 for both and chucked another efi engine in the scrap
the week before, mind you, I don't know if it was any good as I'd never
started it. I've also got two or three ZF autoboxes knocking about yet which
are/were OK.

On or around Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:01:30 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>I should be able to get the paperwork for it but didn't bother as I was
>going to cut it up. It has had one new nearside bulkhead out rigger fitted
>and the other side has not been fitted yet, also the rear end has been
>removed to fit a new rear crossmember but not replaced. It is a long
>standing refurbishment that has been abandoned eventually. The rest of the
>chassis looks OK. Blue Bearmach 2" lift springs on it (new) full set.

I think the paperwork may prove to be important.

>> If you do know for a good 3.5 V8 and auto box, a price for them as well,

> I just got rid of only last week the efi engine from the Ra/Ro with LPG
>conversion kit for £150 for both and chucked another efi engine in the scrap
>the week before, mind you, I don't know if it was any good as I'd never
>started it. I've also got two or three ZF autoboxes knocking about yet which
>are/were OK.

Always the way, innit.

it had occurred to me that one reason I was thinking of getting my previous
110 back for this project was that it already has the LPG stuff fitted
including 3 tanks - 2 as a double-tank unit in the back and one under the
side.

Depends on price, really - I might be able to get that vehicle cheap; and if
so, the advantages of the gas stuff (expensive to get new) and having the
whole thing already paperworked-up as a V8 auto (and that it's currently
only 3 miles away) will offset the hassle factor of stripping the body off
it.

I've still not spoken to the insurance bloke yet though.
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"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote:-

> Always the way, innit.
>
> it had occurred to me that one reason I was thinking of getting my
previous
> 110 back for this project was that it already has the LPG stuff fitted
> including 3 tanks - 2 as a double-tank unit in the back and one under the
> side.
>
> Depends on price, really - I might be able to get that vehicle cheap; and
if
> so, the advantages of the gas stuff (expensive to get new) and having the
> whole thing already paperworked-up as a V8 auto (and that it's currently
> only 3 miles away) will offset the hassle factor of stripping the body off
> it.

Way to go Austin, paperworks already been sent in as scrap, not much left in
one piece anyway, but if you are stuck for any bits I might have them.

Martin

>
> I've still not spoken to the insurance bloke yet though.
>

On or around Wed, 4 Oct 2006 20:36:33 +0100, "Oily"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote:-
>
>> Always the way, innit.
>>
>> it had occurred to me that one reason I was thinking of getting my
>previous
>> 110 back for this project was that it already has the LPG stuff fitted
>> including 3 tanks - 2 as a double-tank unit in the back and one under the
>> side.
>>
>> Depends on price, really - I might be able to get that vehicle cheap; and
>if
>> so, the advantages of the gas stuff (expensive to get new) and having the
>> whole thing already paperworked-up as a V8 auto (and that it's currently
>> only 3 miles away) will offset the hassle factor of stripping the body off
>> it.
>
>Way to go Austin, paperworks already been sent in as scrap, not much left in
>one piece anyway, but if you are stuck for any bits I might have them.

ah. That's a bummer. I'll keep the bits aspect in mind though.
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