THE Department for Transport (DfT) last week announced new anti-tampering laws were in the works

norseman said:

I totally agree about the differing opinion, just one final point if I may ...

I am not, as you suggest, in the least bit offended. I just have empathy for fellow modern classic owners. After all the pollution/emissions emitted by the factory when their car was created are reckoned to be the greater percentage of the cars lifetime emissions. Purchasing a replacement (especially a brand new one) is renewing the cycle, no matter how eco-friendly it is.

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I don't disagree, and I have had lots of classics, modern and not so modern, myself. But it isn't that difficult to get round one way or another for most people, it isn't actually going to ruin anyone's life, or cause them severe financial hardship.

I don't think ULEZ is actually about overall emissions, more about reducing local pollution beside main roads in the City.

The problems with low emission zones, and penal car tax rates etc is that they are all things:
they do cut emissions
they are a tax
they are a political move to placate the green lobby
It just boils down to how they effect on you. For some they are a welcome move, for others a tax, but even that may mean some services get more funding. Much as I do not like them, I can't find any winning argument against them and that worries me.

Stanleysteamer said:

So the govt has invested in Betamax, AGAIN!

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Cleaning out loft in house yesterday, if they want one I have one
A Sony, no less.

rob1miles said:

The problems with low emission zones, and penal car tax rates etc is that they are all things:
they do cut emissions
they are a tax
they are a political move to placate the green lobby
It just boils down to how they effect on you. For some they are a welcome move, for others a tax, but even that may mean some services get more funding. Much as I do not like them, I can't find any winning argument against them and that worries me.

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I think the effect on pollution would be greater if they hadn't taken away road space for unused cycle lanes, leaving traffic at a very polluting crawl
It seems that primarily they want to reduce car traffic, whether ULEZ compliant or not, by making journeys unworkable

rob1miles said:

The problems with low emission zones, and penal car tax rates etc is that they are all things:
they do cut emissions
they are a tax
they are a political move to placate the green lobby
It just boils down to how they effect on you. For some they are a welcome move, for others a tax, but even that may mean some services get more funding. Much as I do not like them, I can't find any winning argument against them and that worries me.

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Wouldn't say I exactly welcome it, but I do understand the reasons for it.
And it isn't that difficult to live with, and lets face it, life in modern Britain is mostly about finding ways to negotiate various regulatory hurdles, no reason transport is going to be any different.

JimS said:

I think the effect on pollution would be greater if they hadn't taken away road space for unused cycle lanes, leaving traffic at a very polluting crawl
It seems that primarily they want to reduce car traffic, whether ULEZ compliant or not, by making journeys unworkable

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That is exactly what it is designed to do, and in a few years, ULEZ will be extended further out.

But about 90% of car journeys in London are unnecessary, they happen simply because people don't want to get their shoes wet walking to the bus stop, or expose their spoiled brats to the weather on the way to school.

Turboman said:

That is exactly what it is designed to do, and in a few years, ULEZ will be extended further out.

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I presume our glorious leaders have made it that way so they can float around in their jags unimpeded by grubby little oiks in grubby little cars using their roads.
The gentrification of London's streets...

JimS said:

I presume our glorious leaders have made it that way so they can float around in their jags unimpeded by grubby little oiks in grubby little cars using their roads.
The gentrification of London's streets...

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More or less. And the historic vehicle exemption is so that things like the London to Brighton run can go ahead.

JimS said:

Cleaning out loft in house yesterday, if they want one I have one
A Sony, no less.

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Only 1 I have 3

2 Sony 1 Sanyo

Portable, top end edit deck with hifi, medium market hifi.

An expert could name all 3 models from those2 lines.

MJI said:

Only 1 I have 3

2 Sony 1 Sanyo

Portable, top end edit deck with hifi, medium market hifi.

An expert could name all 3 models from those2 lines.

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Might plug it in later and see if it still works. Box with hundreds of tapes next to it
I am still searching for the holy grail of vintage tech finds in the loft, an original Sony Walkman. Worth hundreds now.

My SL-F1UB portable is next to the PC and many hours of footage are now on a hard drive in DV compatible format.

403GB

MJI said:

My SL-F1UB portable is next to the PC and many hours of footage are now on a hard drive in DV compatible format.

403GB

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I must go through the tapes digitise and stick them on the NAS, that'll keep me busy for a few rainy days
Found an old record player and a stack of LP's too
Loft archaeology is fun....

JimS said:

I must go through the tapes digitise and stick them on the NAS, that'll keep me busy for a few rainy days
Found an old record player and a stack of LP's too
Loft archaeology is fun....

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Some of my old footage is on Amazon Prime video

A preserved railway DVD used about 10 minutes

JimS said:

Might plug it in later and see if it still works. Box with hundreds of tapes next to it
I am still searching for the holy grail of vintage tech finds in the loft, an original Sony Walkman. Worth hundreds now.

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You ain't bloody kidding!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Sony-Wal...MI6dvFzaKT9AIVU5nVCh3KIwo6EAYYAiABEgIVlPD_BwE

Wow!
I think we have a Discman. Are they worth owt?
Jeez it looks like it!
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/22440913...VG5BoCR2R5g2xEAQYASABEgL5xPD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

I don't see what the problem is unless i int understood it right.

A car built with a dpf fitted shouldn't have it removed or hollowed out. Egr blanking plates should not be fitted. Both are already against the rules and fail an mot if they find out.

When peeps come on ere wanting to know about hollowing dpf's out we advise them of the rules. Lots of dodgy companies will do it. They keep the valuable material content.

JimS said:

I think the effect on pollution would be greater if they hadn't taken away road space for unused cycle lanes, leaving traffic at a very polluting crawl

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They have done that in Chelmsford (Essex). Not only have they reduced traffic to a single lane, but the buses now have to block off the same lane as the pull-ins where they used to stop are now part of the cycle track.
Admittedly I've only travelled the route off-peak, but I've yet to see a bike using the track