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Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.

The symptoms are as follows:

Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but the
engine starts to make clattering noises.

This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference. Has
anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me advice. This
is starting to become expensive.

Cheers

 
flexi-man wrote:
> Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
> frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>
> The symptoms are as follows:
>
> Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
> alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
> exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but
> the engine starts to make clattering noises.
>
> This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
> replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference.
> Has anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me
> advice. This is starting to become expensive.
>
> Cheers

Sounds similar to what happens to mine, it's down to the injector pump on mine, it's had water in it & it
shagged, i got a recon pump for a very reasonable £45 of a chap from this group. It's getting fit
tomorrow so i'll let you know if it cures it.

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
flexi-man wrote:
> Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
> frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>
> The symptoms are as follows:
>
> Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
> alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
> exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but the
> engine starts to make clattering noises.
>
> This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
> replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference. Has
> anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me advice. This
> is starting to become expensive.
>
> Cheers
>
This sounds very much to me like a worn engine pressurising the engine
breather and blowing oil out into the inlet tract, this oil then goes
through the turbo into the combustion chambers and is Burnt. I believe
its a fairly common problem with VW's, and I've seen a Xantia diesel
that was over filled with oil do it too, people say its the turbo oil
supply leaking but I don't think it is , and you've changed your turbo
anyway. Try disconnecting the engine breather pipe and running it into a
lemonade bottle with a length of hosepipe , if your running away problem
stops and the bottle fills with oil , then thats the source. Then you
just need to fix the rings/ compression.
 
Al Gorithm wrote:
> flexi-man wrote:
>> Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
>> frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>>
>> The symptoms are as follows:
>>
>> Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at
>> an alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from
>> the exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference,
>> but the engine starts to make clattering noises.
>>
>> This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
>> replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference.
>> Has anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me
>> advice. This is starting to become expensive.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
> This sounds very much to me like a worn engine pressurising the
> engine breather and blowing oil out into the inlet tract, this oil
> then goes through the turbo into the combustion chambers and is
> Burnt. I believe its a fairly common problem with VW's, and I've
> seen a Xantia diesel that was over filled with oil do it too,
> people say its the turbo oil supply leaking but I don't think it is
> , and you've changed your turbo anyway. Try disconnecting the
> engine breather pipe and running it into a lemonade bottle with a
> length of hosepipe , if your running away problem stops and the
> bottle fills with oil , then thats the source. Then you just need
> to fix the rings/ compression.

Surely it would do that all the time though?

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 

"flexi-man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
> frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>
> The symptoms are as follows:
>
> Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
> alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
> exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but the
> engine starts to make clattering noises.
>
> This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
> replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference. Has
> anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me advice. This
> is starting to become expensive.
>
> Cheers
>

Its either the injector pump or oil in the inlet system. If you have an
intercooler then you should remove and clean by flushing with a politically
incorrect solvent now and again. If your turbo has been leaking oil into the
inlet side then your intercooler could be fairly full of oil if it has the
inlet and outlet at the top. If this is the case you are lucky that it has
not gulped the lot and blown itself up in the process.
Let us know what you find.

Huw


 
In message <[email protected]>,
flexi-man <[email protected]> writes
>Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
>frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>
>The symptoms are as follows:
>
>Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
>alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
>exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but the
>engine starts to make clattering noises.
>
>This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
>replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference. Has
>anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me advice. This
>is starting to become expensive.
>
>Cheers
>

It could be

Split diaphragm on the top of the injection pump (the boost pressure
metering unit) This allows the turbo to pressurise the fuel system and
causes the engine to race.

Another symptom is pressure build up inside the fuel tank.

It is unusual for this to happen at start up. It usually happens while
sitting in traffic !!!
--
Marc Draper
 
I'm afraid Landrover never got around to fitting an intercooler on the
2.5lt turbo-diesels. The engine was rebuilt only 3,000 miles ago so it
shouldn't be worn, but sometimes you never know what goes on inside
those crappy old landy engines. The injector pump is the only part I
haven't replaced over the years (typical). Has anyone got one for sale?

flexi
Huw wrote:
> "flexi-man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
> > frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
> >
> > The symptoms are as follows:
> >
> > Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
> > alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
> > exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but the
> > engine starts to make clattering noises.
> >
> > This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
> > replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference. Has
> > anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me advice. This
> > is starting to become expensive.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
>
> Its either the injector pump or oil in the inlet system. If you have an
> intercooler then you should remove and clean by flushing with a politically
> incorrect solvent now and again. If your turbo has been leaking oil into the
> inlet side then your intercooler could be fairly full of oil if it has the
> inlet and outlet at the top. If this is the case you are lucky that it has
> not gulped the lot and blown itself up in the process.
> Let us know what you find.
>
> Huw

 
Huw wrote:
> "flexi-man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on a
>> frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>>
>> The symptoms are as follows:
>>
>> Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at
>> an alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from
>> the exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference,
>> but the engine starts to make clattering noises.
>>
>> This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
>> replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference.
>> Has anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me
>> advice. This is starting to become expensive.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
> Its either the injector pump or oil in the inlet system. If you
> have an intercooler then you should remove and clean by flushing
> with a politically incorrect solvent now and again. If your turbo
> has been leaking oil into the inlet side then your intercooler
> could be fairly full of oil if it has the inlet and outlet at the
> top. If this is the case you are lucky that it has not gulped the
> lot and blown itself up in the process. Let us know what you find.
>
> Huw

If it's the normal TD it has no intercooler, as i took it to be.

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
flexi-man wrote:
> I'm afraid Landrover never got around to fitting an intercooler on
> the
> 2.5lt turbo-diesels. The engine was rebuilt only 3,000 miles ago so
> it shouldn't be worn, but sometimes you never know what goes on
> inside those crappy old landy engines. The injector pump is the
> only part I haven't replaced over the years (typical). Has anyone
> got one for sale?
>
> flexi
> Huw wrote:
>> "flexi-man" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> Is there anybody out there that may be able to shed some light on
>>> a frustrating problem I have with my 110 2.5lt turbo-diesel.
>>>
>>> The symptoms are as follows:
>>>
>>> Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at
>>> an alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from
>>> the exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference,
>>> but the engine starts to make clattering noises.
>>>
>>> This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
>>> replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference.
>>> Has anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me
>>> advice. This is starting to become expensive.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>
>> Its either the injector pump or oil in the inlet system. If you
>> have an intercooler then you should remove and clean by flushing
>> with a politically incorrect solvent now and again. If your turbo
>> has been leaking oil into the inlet side then your intercooler
>> could be fairly full of oil if it has the inlet and outlet at the
>> top. If this is the case you are lucky that it has not gulped the
>> lot and blown itself up in the process.
>> Let us know what you find.
>>
>> Huw

Have a look in the lift pump & the filter, mine was **** full of ****.

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
flexi-man wrote:
> I'm afraid Landrover never got around to fitting an intercooler on the
> 2.5lt turbo-diesels.

Yours is the crappy old indirect injection turbo diesel then. The direct
injection 2.5 does have an intercooler.


The engine was rebuilt only 3,000 miles ago so it
> shouldn't be worn, but sometimes you never know what goes on inside
> those crappy old landy engines. The injector pump is the only part I
> haven't replaced over the years (typical). Has anyone got one for
> sale?

It is probably a problem with the injection pump but don't despair and don't
fit a recon pump as a first measure; it could be something simple and even
relitively cheap to repair.

Huw



 
Huw wrote:
> flexi-man wrote:
>> I'm afraid Landrover never got around to fitting an intercooler on
>> the 2.5lt turbo-diesels.
>
> Yours is the crappy old indirect injection turbo diesel then. The
> direct injection 2.5 does have an intercooler.
>
>
> The engine was rebuilt only 3,000 miles ago so it
>> shouldn't be worn, but sometimes you never know what goes on inside
>> those crappy old landy engines. The injector pump is the only part
>> I haven't replaced over the years (typical). Has anyone got one for
>> sale?
>
> It is probably a problem with the injection pump but don't despair
> and don't fit a recon pump as a first measure; it could be
> something simple and even relitively cheap to repair.
>
> Huw

Well, i dont think it's 'crappy' at all!! Mine pulls like a train & is as respecable on road as you could
want for the money you'll pay for one. I have no problem keeping up with traffic.

It is an old engine with a few mods etc, but it does the job.


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
Nige wrote:
> Huw wrote:
>> flexi-man wrote:
>>> I'm afraid Landrover never got around to fitting an intercooler on
>>> the 2.5lt turbo-diesels.
>>
>> Yours is the crappy old indirect injection turbo diesel then. The
>> direct injection 2.5 does have an intercooler.
>>
>>
>> The engine was rebuilt only 3,000 miles ago so it
>>> shouldn't be worn, but sometimes you never know what goes on inside
>>> those crappy old landy engines. The injector pump is the only part
>>> I haven't replaced over the years (typical). Has anyone got one for
>>> sale?
>>
>> It is probably a problem with the injection pump but don't despair
>> and don't fit a recon pump as a first measure; it could be
>> something simple and even relitively cheap to repair.
>>
>> Huw
>
> Well, i dont think it's 'crappy' at all!! Mine pulls like a train &
> is as respecable on road as you could want for the money you'll pay
> for one. I have no problem keeping up with traffic.
> It is an old engine with a few mods etc, but it does the job.

It is crappy because it drinks like a fish and lasts about as long as milk
left out in the sun. It was probably the worst engine Land Rover ever made,
yet was succeeded by two of the best.

Huw


 
Huw wrote:
> Nige wrote:
>> Huw wrote:
>>> flexi-man wrote:
>>>> I'm afraid Landrover never got around to fitting an intercooler
>>>> on the 2.5lt turbo-diesels.
>>>
>>> Yours is the crappy old indirect injection turbo diesel then. The
>>> direct injection 2.5 does have an intercooler.
>>>
>>>
>>> The engine was rebuilt only 3,000 miles ago so it
>>>> shouldn't be worn, but sometimes you never know what goes on
>>>> inside those crappy old landy engines. The injector pump is the
>>>> only part I haven't replaced over the years (typical). Has
>>>> anyone got one for sale?
>>>
>>> It is probably a problem with the injection pump but don't despair
>>> and don't fit a recon pump as a first measure; it could be
>>> something simple and even relitively cheap to repair.
>>>
>>> Huw
>>
>> Well, i dont think it's 'crappy' at all!! Mine pulls like a train &
>> is as respecable on road as you could want for the money you'll pay
>> for one. I have no problem keeping up with traffic.
>> It is an old engine with a few mods etc, but it does the job.
>
> It is crappy because it drinks like a fish and lasts about as long
> as milk left out in the sun. It was probably the worst engine Land
> Rover ever made, yet was succeeded by two of the best.
>
> Huw

Well, i can only speak as i find, but at 25-27mpg it isnt too bad on that front, reliability, well we'll
see!!!

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
Nige wrote:
>
> Well, i can only speak as i find, but at 25-27mpg it isnt too bad on
> that front, reliability, well we'll see!!!

I have a funny feeling that it won't be with you long enough to find out.

Your fuel figures are exceptional for that engine.

Huw


 
Huw wrote:
> Nige wrote:
>>
>> Well, i can only speak as i find, but at 25-27mpg it isnt too bad
>> on that front, reliability, well we'll see!!!
>
> I have a funny feeling that it won't be with you long enough to
> find out.
> Your fuel figures are exceptional for that engine.
>
> Huw

I do have a very light right foot to be honest. Theres no point flogging a car like this anyway!! If it
dies i'll shove a 200 in it anyway.

hehehe - you got me on the keeping front, but it does do everything i need it to do, a tad slowly, but it
does it!


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
Cheers for the advice, at least I have got something to go on. They are
only 'crap' when they're broke, it's a love hate kinda relationship.
But once its fixed its going.

Flexi
Nige wrote:
> Huw wrote:
> > Nige wrote:
> >>
> >> Well, i can only speak as i find, but at 25-27mpg it isnt too bad
> >> on that front, reliability, well we'll see!!!
> >
> > I have a funny feeling that it won't be with you long enough to
> > find out.
> > Your fuel figures are exceptional for that engine.
> >
> > Huw
>
> I do have a very light right foot to be honest. Theres no point flogging a car like this anyway!! If it
> dies i'll shove a 200 in it anyway.
>
> hehehe - you got me on the keeping front, but it does do everything i need it to do, a tad slowly, but it
> does it!
>
>
> --
> Ta!
>
> Nige
>
> Subaru WRX (54)
> Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
> KTM 520 SX (2001)
> Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)

 
flexi-man wrote:
> Cheers for the advice, at least I have got something to go on. They
> are only 'crap' when they're broke, it's a love hate kinda
> relationship. But once its fixed its going.
>

You like pain and the euphoria that follows. I can just about get my head
around that LOL. Whatever floats your boat. ;-)

Huw


 
switch it off when it does this, if it continues to run, then its the famous running on problem. caused by running on lube oil from the engine recirc system.
disconnect the breather pipes and let the engine breath pure fresh air. if it cures it then you know the problem.
 
> >
> >Sometimes on starting the following happens, the engines races at an
> >alarming speed and there is a thick cloud of smoke comes from the
> >exhaust. If I depress the accelerator there is no difference, but the
> >engine starts to make clattering noises.
> >
> >This continues for 2-3 minutes and then it clears itself. I have
> >replaced the turbo for a re-con unit. But has made no difference. Has
> >anybody experienced anything like this, who could give me advice. This
> >is starting to become expensive.

Could it also be a dripping injector?
TonyB


 
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