TD4 cold start ?

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nfn

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Hi all,

i have done a quick forum search to no avail ? and before i entrust a garage ! i thought i would ask here first in case its a common problem or an easy fix ?

I have a 2003 TD4 its ran great and been fully serviced in March, but over the last few weeks it has taken longer to start from cold.

When warm its OK , but in the mornings it will turn over fine and as it should but will not fire into life for maybe 10-15 turns of the motor ? i have waited for the glow plug light to go out and have waited past this and still it takes some time to fire.

It turns over at the correct speed with no battery problems but takes its time to fire into life ?

(also one day when done around 2 miles in 3rd gear it lost a little power and the engine managment light cam on "flashing" not solid , and it would not rev to full revs, it cleared its self after 100ft and was fine and no light since ?)

Should i look to change the glow plugs ? or could it be something else ?

any help would be good as i don't want the garage to assume and try changing things at my cost until they solve the problem.
 
I would check the glow plugs first before taking it to a garage. tho that wouldn't affect your other problem that hopefully will not manifest itself again. If the glow plugs are ok and or this other problem reappears then I don't know I've not had much to do with Freelanders nor would I want to.
 
Thanks , it may be me ? but last couple of mornings i have turn the key let the light go off waited 5-10 seconds switched it off done it again, 5-10 seconds then tried to fire the engine and it did take a little while but seems to start quicker than before ? so wonder if i have a glow plug problem ?

If it were the injectors would i not get this cold and warm ?

i'll get some glow plugs and try that i think first, if its not cured it then off the bloody garage !
 
Only new to this but have read somewhere about some kind of cam sensor that can affect starting but think it's only when warm.

One way to test it is to take it off and put it in the freezer for a while, then try again!!!!

As I say though, think it's only for warm start probs...
 
nfn said:
If it were the injectors would i not get this cold and warm ?
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maybe. when mine started to fail (injectors) it was hard to start warm, and refused cold. however, the garage I use could get it started with easy start, then it ran okay once it had fired a few times.

problem turned out to be injector 2 leak back, causing an unequal pressure across the 4 injectors, causing it to fail to start. once it was running, it seemed ok.

however, glow plugs is going to be the cheaper option.

Just as a footnote, only ever saw my glowplug light in the depths of winter. Since the injectors have been changed, it comes every time I do the first start of the day. Not sure why, but it runs ok

Good Luck with your problem
 
forget glowplugs, Td4 is direct injection and unless you're in mongolia, you wont need them.

common faults for bad starting are, as previously mentioned, one or more injectors leaking or (and most common of all) the low pressure pump is on its way out, when you lost power and the MIL came on, it would have logged a fault. I bet a pound to a pinch of **** the fault code is "P1260 low side fuel pressure plausibility"
 
cheers Clutchdust ! you sound like you know your stuff ! not got round to doing anything to it as yet , so it will be my fault when it won't start at all ! but i have RAC cover.

i've found by pressing the accelerator pedal to the floor before i turn the key to start it does fire quicker although not quick enough, but this method in the short term has made it a little easier to start and does not give the the feeling "o **** its not gonna go !"

i will try and find out who can plug the machine in ? anyone know a garage (non landrover) in the staffs area ? any idea of the general cost of this ? cheers.
 
Hi

first of all thanks to all the members that offered advice on my problem !:)

well it got worse and started to not fire when warm also and after pricing up various options on how to tackle the problem ?

you may remember it turned over fine but would take quite a while to fire into life !

it could have been , glow plugs,injectors,etc...

Phoned Landrover and they wanted £101 to plug it into there machine plus the repair cost also WTF ! i'm not paying £101 before they know what is wrong !

so i thought i would attack this from the cost angle replace the Fuel filter first and so on ! if i ended up replacing Fuel filter , then glow plugs etc.. at least i know it has had new parts that will last so not false economy.

gathered as much info on the fuel filter replacement (for those that may not know) 2001-2003 TD4 the fuel filter is an inline type located in the front rear O/S rear wheel arch (the spin on type located in the engine bay is for the 2003> facelift onwards TD4)

anyway the job sounded like a nightmare and i'm novice level with a spocket set !! but it turned out to be a really straightword job !

wheel off , wheel arch cover off , unbolt casing it all drop down , unplug the fuel filter at both ends slide out , replace , used the drain plug to drain any water that may be in the system, put it all back togther.

Started it up ! "BINGO" runs like a dream , fires as it should everytime, and it like someone has given it 20bhp extra , so the old fuel filter must have been fooked ! and staving the system of fuel

well worth £15 and a few hours work to get a Freelander TD4 runing sweet !

so glad i never paid £101 to landrover now ! just to tell me the problem plus they would have charged me on top of that for the replacement of the fuel filter and i bet Landrover charge a bit for that considering the work involved ?
 
nfn said:
Hi

first of all thanks to all the members that offered advice on my problem !:)

well it got worse and started to not fire when warm also and after pricing up various options on how to tackle the problem ?

you may remember it turned over fine but would take quite a while to fire into life !

it could have been , glow plugs,injectors,etc...

Phoned Landrover and they wanted £101 to plug it into there machine plus the repair cost also WTF ! i'm not paying £101 before they know what is wrong !

so i thought i would attack this from the cost angle replace the Fuel filter first and so on ! if i ended up replacing Fuel filter , then glow plugs etc.. at least i know it has had new parts that will last so not false economy.

gathered as much info on the fuel filter replacement (for those that may not know) 2001-2003 TD4 the fuel filter is an inline type located in the front rear O/S rear wheel arch (the spin on type located in the engine bay is for the 2003> facelift onwards TD4)

anyway the job sounded like a nightmare and i'm novice level with a spocket set !! but it turned out to be a really straightword job !

wheel off , wheel arch cover off , unbolt casing it all drop down , unplug the fuel filter at both ends slide out , replace , used the drain plug to drain any water that may be in the system, put it all back togther.

Started it up ! "BINGO" runs like a dream , fires as it should everytime, and it like someone has given it 20bhp extra , so the old fuel filter must have been fooked ! and staving the system of fuel

well worth £15 and a few hours work to get a Freelander TD4 runing sweet !

so glad i never paid £101 to landrover now ! just to tell me the problem plus they would have charged me on top of that for the replacement of the fuel filter and i bet Landrover charge a bit for that considering the work involved ?
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Congratulations. Well done. If I understand it right you worked from beneath ?? And you unbolted the whole business, including the black plastic piece on which slides the double round plastic holder containing the fuel filter and the fuel pump ?? (When I changed mine I tackled it from above, took one screw out and lifted the round plastic holder up and away from the wheel arch whereafter I had to disconnect the two fuel lines (the in/out lines of the filter) and the electric plug, then could take the filter out and mount things the opposite way. I don't seem to have seen a drainplug though ?? Tried to prime the filter by starting the car with no success, thus started to clean up things, which took me about 15-20 minutes, with the idea next thing to do was to call the garage but when everything was put aside I tried again and the engine started straight on. According to the forummembers here it's a selfpriming system which needs just some time to do it's job.
 
Yeah i did it side on if you like not from underneath remover the inner wheel arch cover and it pretty straight forward to see how it comes off (apart from rotten rusty 10mm bolts that hold the whole unit on.

once you take the whole thing off you can see the fuel filter and the pump and a large ball "ish" shaped plastic container at the bottom of this there a finger and thumb type drain plug i just undid this to allow any water to drain out , but to be honest it just looked like deisel.

you can access this drain plug without taking anything of just lay underneath and at the bottom of the wheel arch you will see the drain plug.

no need to prime the system either ? i just started it up and it fired straight away !

best £15 you will send on a TD4 as i suspect most have not been done if there of some age or have no landrover service history ?

i **** with mechanics etc.. but glad i did this as i have learnt so much and would tackle doing another no problem, lets just hope nothing else goes wrong with it ?
 
nfn said:
Yeah i did it side on if you like not from underneath remover the inner wheel arch cover and it pretty straight forward to see how it comes off (apart from rotten rusty 10mm bolts that hold the whole unit on.

once you take the whole thing off you can see the fuel filter and the pump and a large ball "ish" shaped plastic container at the bottom of this there a finger and thumb type drain plug i just undid this to allow any water to drain out , but to be honest it just looked like deisel.

you can access this drain plug without taking anything of just lay underneath and at the bottom of the wheel arch you will see the drain plug.

no need to prime the system either ? i just started it up and it fired straight away !

best £15 you will send on a TD4 as i suspect most have not been done if they're of some age or have no landrover service history ?

i **** with mechanics etc.. but glad i did this as i have learnt so much and would tackle doing another known problem, lets just hope nothing else goes wrong with it ?
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Seen the age (and probably mileage) of your car I wonder whether the depression filter on top of the engine has been replaced before ? If not, I think it's a good idea to change that as well, only in order to avoid the problems such a blocked filter can cause....:p
 
Ermmm... i have heard of this before, and that tis best to change the unit and not the filter ?

you say its on top of the engine ? does the rocker cover (if thats what there called now ?) have to come off ? any advice on doing the job willo ?

what problems does it cause ? mines done 93k and suspect thats not been done either ?

i've checked brakes all ok, done oil and filter, air filter , fuel filter (now) and pollen filter (again prob another filter not commonly done), are there any other service items i've missed ?

just want to make sure its right.

cheers.
 
nfn said:
Ermmm... i have heard of this before, and that tis best to change the unit and not the filter ?

you say its on top of the engine ? does the rocker cover (if thats what there called now ?) have to come off ? any advice on doing the job willo ?

what problems does it cause ? mines done 93k and suspect thats not been done either ?

i've checked brakes all ok, done oil and filter, air filter , fuel filter (now) and pollen filter (again prob another filter not commonly done), are there any other service items i've missed ?

just want to make sure its right.

cheers.
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This filter is sitting between the airfilterhousing and the fuel line on top of the engine. No need to take rockercover off. The below thread handles about and pics give you some idea how it looks like. Good luck.


http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f9/td4-oil-leak-58494.html?highlight=depression+filter
 
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