Surrey BOAT 395 - Lions Lane, Cranleigh TRO Proposal

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The Trailwise link? Have you checked? Works ok for me without being logged in.
Try this one if it still isn't working - Streetmap.co.uk- search results

this is it..

Yep that's it - as I said in the original post the location is given there - the buttons for streetmap and googlemaps work without having to be registered. You just get more info if you are a registered user.

Typical, Motor Bikes, Quads, Horses, and Erosion have nothing to do with the wear, it's just 4x4 Vehicles.

:mooning: is what I think about that !

I'm not a bit surprised. Its destroyed down there. I tried cycling down it during the summer and I had to carry my bike most of the way. Its honestly almost impassable for walkers because the ruts are so deep and whats left isn't wide enough to walk on.
Its a NO NO for 4X4 if it is ever to recover.

Medusa said:

I'm not a bit surprised. Its destroyed down there. I tried cycling down it during the summer and I had to carry my bike most of the way. Its honestly almost impassable for walkers because the ruts are so deep and whats left isn't wide enough to walk on.
Its a NO NO for 4X4 if it is ever to recover.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but how is the lane going to recover by itself ?

Seems to me is that it would need to be fixed

Just had a look on the GLASS website, they don't seem to have this one up ??

:doh: well of course it need fixing but TRO'ing it will prevent any further damage in the mean time.

Booger said:

Maybe I'm missing something, but how is the lane going to recover by itself ?

Seems to me is that it would need to be fixed

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Maybe it needs to have arest, so that it can be fixed, rather than be damaged further?

Or are you suggesting going down with 20 tons of rubble and "fixing" it?

The Mad Hat Man said:

Maybe it needs to have arest, so that it can be fixed, rather than be damaged further?

Or are you suggesting going down with 20 tons of rubble and "fixing" it?

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Might need a bit more that 20 tons, its fooked from one end to the other. Someone went down it last winter when the ground was like a quagmire and now the ruts are more than two feet deep at the sides and a bit shallower in the middle. I haven't had a change to drive it yet because its been bad the whole time I've had my Landy.

It's a lane, not a Builder, it doesn't need a rest :hysterically_laughi

Seriously, until it's fixed, it's erm broken. And if it's as bad as it sounds, nobody can use it anyway. All this time and money the council spend farting around trying close it, could have just been used to repair it.

Close the lane for the couple days/weeks it takes to repair it and get on with it.

I don't think we should agree with the closure of any lanes, because then we are just giving credence the the Myth that we are responsable for any more damage than tractors or any other group.

Lanes will get damaged, they should be repaired, not given a rest

As for avoiding further damage, I don't think it matters much if you are repairing a two foot rut or a two and a half foot rut. Anyway whose going to damage it further, Landy won't make it in two foot ruts, max cleance is about 1.5 foot ?

Which kind of makes me think maybe the damage was caused by a farmers tractor in the first place and not 4x4's

I wasn't suggesting we go and do it in this instance, while I would be happy to give a few weekends serving the countryside, I wouldn't want to do anything untill we had some sort of understanding from the council, for instance, we could undertake to volunteer our help repairing badly damaged lanes in return for an undertaking that they close no more lanes !

The problem with TRO's is they get forgot about There a lane that runs from my house (This has no TRO but is a deadend because the ajoining lane is TROed and there other path is a bridleway ) then the other lane goes past the golf course.

Went down there the otherday.... it is perfectly bloody fine. Nice solid stone bed... No reason for a TRO then over the road the lane carrys on... perfectly fine...

As I understand it the proposal is for a permanent closure not a temporary closure to allow the lane to recover.
Understood that the condition may be too far gone however the principle is that SCC would appear to be using unlawful reasons for closure in order to avoid their statutory duty to maintain.

Tricky one as it sounds like the lane should be taken out of use to allow it to recover however should we argue that they're reasons are prejudiced and not in accordance with their statutory duty?
If we let them close it using 4x4 use as a reason then it just opens the floodgates for them to close every byway in the county just because they are used for their purpose!

I haven't got round to putting this on the GLASS site yet (as the GLASS TRO Officer).

Booger said:

I don't think we should agree with the closure of any lanes, because then we are just giving credence the the Myth that we are responsable for any more damage than tractors or any other group.!

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Agreed in part, Lanes in areas of particularly bad drainage ie clay, should be rested seasonally in order to prevent extreme damage.

Booger said:

Landy won't make it in two foot ruts, max cleance is about 1.5 foot ?

Which kind of makes me think maybe the damage was caused by a farmers tractor in the first place and not 4x4's!

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The outside edges of the ruts are around 2 feet deep but the inside where the steering guard/diff is shallower.

I wish I could confirm that this damage was caused by a tractor but the evidence is clear on this lane. Whoever went down there used timber and logs as waffle boards and winched themselves throught the worst bits, which is practically the entire length of the lane.

This just makes my blood boil as this lane is about 1/2 a mile from my house.

Would it be a silly suggestion that maybe a few of yu locals write a letter and volunter ( under council leadership) to help repair the lane? Also get GLASS involved. Maybe an offer with a few sigs on it mite help. Particularly if yu suggest a yearly winter closure, to help the lane recover????

The Mad Hat Man said:

Would it be a silly suggestion that maybe a few of yu locals write a letter and volunter ( under council leadership) to help repair the lane? Also get GLASS involved. Maybe an offer with a few sigs on it mite help. Particularly if yu suggest a yearly winter closure, to help the lane recover????

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Yeah sure Daft, let me finish me house first pleeeeease.

if yu noticed, i said a group of you - Booger & ChrisW seem to be interested (and Booger seems to have a lot of time in his hands :bolt

The Mad Hat Man said:

if yu noticed, i said a group of you - Booger & ChrisW seem to be interested (and Booger seems to have a lot of time in his hands :bolt

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Ere Booger, if you have time on your hands how do you fancy grouting my kitchen floor? :bolt: