Stupid seat belt laws!!!!! grrrrr!!!

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Greg <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

> Well if the current Land Rover lineup hasn't adressed this issue but
> the Japs have then there should be some heads rolling in the Land
> Rover forward planning department as it'll cost them very dearly.
> What should have been a load of customers begrudgingly trading up to
> the latest models becomes a load of customers abandoning the brand
> probably never to return.
>
> Greg

They had to use the Ozone hole somewhere... holews don't just disapear...
first they used part of it in the new REAL defnder market and Life style
Pick ups, a boat that they didn't even have at their port never mind miss.
Why not miss the people carrier one too. They only seem interesting in
generating Bling and Gasket muchers at the present time.

That new little 4x4 Fiat demonstrates more balls that most of the landrover
lineup at the moment..... and I'm an enthusiast!

Lee D


 
In message <[email protected]>
"Greg" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> [email protected] wrote:
> > well poor old mate of mine's been to the LR dealer this morning who isn't
> > interested in a trade-in but and read this! - guess what he was told by the
> > salesman.... "there actually isn't anything in the current lineup of Land
> > Rover that will allow him and his large family to drive legally and safely"
> > so he has been shown the way to the Jap crap corner which has an abundance
> > of people carriers.....Also, according to the salesman, there have been
> > numerous calls and visits of the last week with many customers concerned
> > about this seat belt law. Hmmm, what next.....a 4x4 LR people carrier?? I
> > can see a slump in the price of 2h LR's which i'm sure will please some but
> > upset many.
>
> Well if the current Land Rover lineup hasn't adressed this issue but
> the Japs have then there should be some heads rolling in the Land Rover
> forward planning department as it'll cost them very dearly. What should
> have been a load of customers begrudgingly trading up to the latest
> models becomes a load of customers abandoning the brand probably never
> to return.
>
> Greg
>

I think the OP meant MPV's, not 4x4's. The Japs 4x4's are in
exactly the same boat as LR on this new legislation.

Richard

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beamendsltd <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:

> I think the OP meant MPV's, not 4x4's. The Japs 4x4's are in
> exactly the same boat as LR on this new legislation.
>
> Richard

Those Mitsi peep carriers that tower about 18 inches above a standard landy
seem to hit the mark :)

Lee D


 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:04:54 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>rather worryingly, I have yet to come accross a legal definition for
>"booster seat" - wondering ... would an old cushion suffice if it raised
>the child to a sensible height? Then there's the definition of "sensible
>height" to consider.
>
Nod.

The Mrs was worried about the new "law" so sent me off to buy a
booster seat.

Went to Halfrauds, who had the choice of 1) a tarty Britax moulded
thingy, with clips to retain the main belt, plastic wrap around wings
to position the hips etc etc, and was so wide we could never have got
three people in the back again or 2) an £8 wedge of polystyrene with a
thinly padded cover, which I bought as was assured by the dedicated
professional sales person this would ensure we were compliant.

No BS, no Kitemark etc, and it did occur to me on the way home wheter
a large thick cushion with the words "Booster Seat" nattily
embroidered would be equally satisfactory.

David
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:38:09 +0100, rads
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 12:04:54 +0100, "William Tasso"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> rather worryingly, I have yet to come accross a legal definition for
>> "booster seat" - wondering ... would an old cushion suffice if it raised
>> the child to a sensible height? Then there's the definition of
>> "sensible
>> height" to consider.
>>
> Nod.
>
> The Mrs was worried about the new "law" so sent me off to buy a
> booster seat.
>
> Went to Halfrauds, who had the choice of 1) a tarty Britax moulded
> thingy, with clips to retain the main belt, plastic wrap around wings
> to position the hips etc etc, and was so wide we could never have got
> three people in the back again or 2) an £8 wedge of polystyrene with a
> thinly padded cover, which I bought as was assured by the dedicated
> professional sales person this would ensure we were compliant.
>
> No BS, no Kitemark etc, and it did occur to me on the way home wheter
> a large thick cushion with the words "Booster Seat" nattily
> embroidered would be equally satisfactory.

embroidery? now there's a dying skill-set.

btw: did you see Austin's post on the subject (in a different thread - Re:
Tow socket wiring) today?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:23:56 +0100, "William Tasso"
>
>btw: did you see Austin's post on the subject (in a different thread - Re:
>Tow socket wiring) today?

Yes.
Quite liked it.
Let us know how you get on with them and I might be next in line.

David

 
In message <[email protected]>
"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 11:22:43 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > In message <[email protected]>
> > "William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:42:32 +0100, Lee_D
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > William Tasso <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
> >> > about:
> >> >
> >> >> where are the guidelines?
> >> >
> >> > <http://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q379.htm>
> >>
> >> Thanks - seems a little lightweight in terms of content, but taking it
> >> at
> >> face value it would appear that there's little need for alarm.
> >>
> >> <q>
> >> Children up to 3 years old
> >>
> >> Front seat - correct child restraint MUST be worn
> >> Rear seat - correct child restraint MUST be worn
> >> </q>
> >>
> >> Makes perfect sense - can't see there will be many problems with that.
> >>
> >> <q>
> >> Children from 3 years up to 135cm (approx 4'5") OR 12th birthday
> >>
> >> Front sear - correct child restraint MUST be worn
> >> Rear seat - correct child restraint MUST be worn
> >>
> >> Exceptions: Adult belt can be worn ONLY if
> >> [..]
> >> there are 2 occupied child restraints fitted which prevent the fitting
> >> of
> >> a third
> >>
> >> NOTE: If no seatbelts at all in rear then children over 3 may travel
> >> unrestrained in the rear of a vehicle.
> >> </q>
> >>
> >> So - I read that as you must use properly fitted child seats until all
> >> available slots are filled, after that kids may be seated
> >> wherever/however.
> >>
> >> <q>
> >> Children over 135cm ( approx 4'5") or 12 or 13 years old
> >> [also: over 14 and adults]
> >> Front seat - seatbelt MUST be worn (if available)
> >> Rear seat - seatbelt MUST be worn (if available)
> >> </q>
> >>
> >> No change there I think.
> >>
> >> Could be completely mistaken, but reading that page doesn't indicate to
> >> me
> >> that current practice (in our household anyway) needs any modification.
> >>
> >> Unless the o/p is blessed with more than three children under three, I
> >> can't see any problems there either.
> >>
> >> With three under three a second adult would be required to use one of
> >> the
> >> dickie seats or squeeze into the middle of the second row. Not ideal
> >> but
> >> do-able if needs must.
> >
> > The above doesn't seem to mention the booster seats for short
> > children inder 12 explicitly - that's the bit that's causing
> > the problems, as booster seats have not been mentioned in the
> > law before
>
> rather worryingly, I have yet to come accross a legal definition for
> "booster seat" - wondering ... would an old cushion suffice if it raised
> the child to a sensible height? Then there's the definition of "sensible
> height" to consider.
>
> > rightly of wrongly everyone just used a seat belt
> > "when the kids are big enough", but now they *must* have seat
> > rather than use the belt - that's a radical change even if the
> > wording above doesn't make the point clear.
>
> it may be a radical change but the wording "... occupied child restraints
> fitted which prevent the fitting ..." seems quite clear.
>
> Yes - children must use proper (varies with age/height) restraints, but
> only where they can be safely fitted.
>
> IANALNDIPOOTV - I must say I do look farward to seeing the subtleties of
> the above tested in court - although I wouldn't wish the experience on
> anyone.
>

You won't have to - Smiling Tony and his chums have decided that
people shouldn't get off on technicalities any more[1].

Mind you, the more I read about it, it seems that there are so many
get-outs that Defender owners have nothing to worry about as I see it,
as no booster seats are avalable, no inertia reel inward seat belts are
available to fit them with anyway etc etc. Even a 4-point competition
harness of the correct size isn't good enough!

Richard

[1] Excludes Government minsters, of course.
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Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 

beamendsltd wrote:

> I think the OP meant MPV's, not 4x4's. The Japs 4x4's are in
> exactly the same boat as LR on this new legislation.

I'll take your word for it, I'm really not up on the fashion accessory
4x4 market which has never tempted me. I was convinced of their utter
pointlesness last winter when I got my Transit stuck in a muddy field
at an auction, I felt a pratt for all of thirty seconds until several
dozen of them got just as stuck as me :cool:. I sat there for a good ten
minutes enjoying the spectacle as one after another the driver's faces
lit up with smug grins when they thought they were going to finally
justify having bought a 4x4, then came the horror as they got well and
truly stuck, priceless!. Of course the farmers in their Defenders,
Series etc made light work of it all.
Greg

 
beamendsltd wrote:

> Mind you, the more I read about it, it seems that there are so many
> get-outs that Defender owners have nothing to worry about as I see it,
> as no booster seats are avalable, no inertia reel inward seat belts are
> available to fit them with anyway etc etc. Even a 4-point competition
> harness of the correct size isn't good enough!
>

Why not? If it is fitted especially for the child, and thus meets the
shoulders etc. at the right place, I'd have said that it was exactly
what the legislation was asking for! IFAICT it only says raise the
child to meet the shoulder strap of a three point if the child is too
short (and where does it forbid lapbelts? A lap belt is an adult
restraint isn't it?)

Stuart
 
"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Questions?
> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?

Well on my Polo you put a key into a lock under the glove box, except that
the lock is an optional fit and not there on mine so the nice people tell me
there's nothing they can do about it!.
Greg


 
Greg wrote:
> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>> Questions?
>> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
>
> Well on my Polo you put a key into a lock under the glove box, except
> that the lock is an optional fit and not there on mine so the nice
> people tell me there's nothing they can do about it!.
> Greg

Think that deactivates the airbag, not the seat!

--
Don't say it cannot be done, rather what is needed to do it!

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
GbH wrote:

> Questions?
> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?

What is an activated (or de-activated for that matter) seat?
 
Dougal wrote:
> GbH wrote:
>
>> Questions?
>> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
>
> What is an activated (or de-activated for that matter) seat?

Hence my question.

NB the origination page seems to have changed, now omitting the bit about airbags
and childseats.

The original said something like: child seat must be deactivated.




--
Don't say it cannot be done, rather what is needed to do it!

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
GbH wrote:
> Lee_D wrote:
>> William Tasso <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
>> about:
>>
>>> where are the guidelines?
>>
>> <http://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q379.htm>
>>
>> Lee D
>
> Questions?
> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
>
> 2. Not a question but...
>
> NOTE: If no seatbelts at all in rear then children over 3 may travel
> unrestrained in the rear of a vehicle
>
> What a load of testes!

So the answer is to remove any and all the seatbelts from the rear of the vehicle,
you may then carry as many kids over 3yrs unrestrained as you like but no adults
nor kids under 3yrs.

--
Don't say it cannot be done, rather what is needed to do it!

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 21:11:48 +0100, Dougal
<DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote:

> GbH wrote:
>
>> Questions?
>> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
>
> What is an activated (or de-activated for that matter) seat?

they have them in fighter planes and Aston Martin cars?

Mind had a big posh saloon a while back that had heated front seats - that
is certainly one form of activation - of course that may or may not be
desirable - depending on the nature of your relationship with the
passenger :)
--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Greg wrote:
> > "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >
> >> Questions?
> >> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
> >
> > Well on my Polo you put a key into a lock under the glove box, except
> > that the lock is an optional fit and not there on mine so the nice
> > people tell me there's nothing they can do about it!.
> > Greg
>
> Think that deactivates the airbag, not the seat!

I thought he meant deactivate the airbag so you could use a rear facing
child seat?
Greg


 
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 22:15:49 +0100, Greg
<[email protected]> wrote:

> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Greg wrote:
>> > "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> > news:[email protected]...
>> >
>> >> Questions?
>> >> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
>> >
>> > Well on my Polo you put a key into a lock under the glove box, except
>> > that the lock is an optional fit and not there on mine so the nice
>> > people tell me there's nothing they can do about it!.
>> > Greg
>>
>> Think that deactivates the airbag, not the seat!
>
> I thought he meant deactivate the airbag so you could use a rear facing
> child seat?

[ignoring the humour possibilities of text comms]

take the fuse out?

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
Greg wrote:
> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Greg wrote:
>>> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>> Questions?
>>>> 1. How do you deactivate a rear facing child seat?
>>>
>>> Well on my Polo you put a key into a lock under the glove box,
>>> except that the lock is an optional fit and not there on mine so
>>> the nice people tell me there's nothing they can do about it!.
>>> Greg
>>
>> Think that deactivates the airbag, not the seat!
>
> I thought he meant deactivate the airbag so you could use a rear
> facing child seat?
> Greg

I think that's what the author meant for you to think, however what he wrote was
ambiguous to the extent that he said to deactivate it, meaning/implying the seat.

--
Don't say it cannot be done, rather what is needed to do it!

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
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