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mattstevenson2005

mattstevenson2005

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Hi Guys,

Want to upgrade my 2003 L322 steering wheel controls so i can have the voice activated button, have found some replacement controls from a 2005 vogue and wanted to check with you guys to see if they would work ok in my 2003 vogue :)

Cheers Matt
 
irish rover/ rick the pick or bbs guy could best answer this.
enjoying your new ride:D
 
fanatic said:
irish rover/ rick the pick or bbs guy could best answer this.
enjoying your new ride:D
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Just figured it out!, just read in the 2005MY ON manual that the steering wheel controls were still based on the iBus system so they should be compatiable with the older models. Yer really enjoying the car! apart from the small leak it seems to have at the minute, doing my head in! but other than that its great, just done the MK4 and BM54 upgrades to get the AUX input for my ipod, now i want to be able to control the system with voice activation. LOL

Thanks
Matt
 
Thanks fanatic

Nice to know that i have at least acclaimed status here as being one off the usual suspects :D

As it happens, i have recently been doing an awful lot of work in respect of steering wheel control technology for all Land Rover models.
Therefore i can knowledgably confirm what mattstevenson2005 said.

From introduction until 2005 the entire infotainment system of the L322 was BMW and thus controlled by the BMW IBUS which incorporated the steering wheel controls. As it happens the seats, PDC, Rain sensor and other items such as the Clock are also controlled by the IBUS. Thats why, if you change the time in the MID or MFD, the clock changes to suit. ;-)


In 2005 Ford, who had purchased LR replaced all the infotainment ECU's with those they were using in Volvos. However they retained the IBUS seats, PDC, rain sensing, clock and Steering wheel controls using a dedicated gateway device to connect them up. In later models this was moved into the Ipack.

But in any event, 2003 to 2009, the wheel controls are compatible. You might however need some other systems in the vehicle programming to suit voice activation. You will also need to have the voice control ECU actually fitted.
 
You should stand a good chance of finding one from a breaker, but check out the new price anyway. Also consider sourcing one from a Beemer as its the very same unit.

https://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM063.html

You might want to check your wiring loom has the plug for it. Its in the rear Passenger side quarter compartment.

Interestingly, the reason i happen to know so much about LR wheel switch control technology is because i am currently working on a pet project to allow the later 2010 steering wheels to be retro fitted to the earlier models.

I have started with the Disco 3 and RR sport wheels and although the later D4 and 2010 sport wheels use LIN bus for comunications rather than the resistive loop of the earlier ones, i have made a prototype kit to convert this which is going very well.
here is a link to a You tube Video demonstrating the first prototype in action

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnD8gilLNk4"]YouTube- Discovery 4 Steering Wheel on a Discovery 3[/nomedia]

I have recently added the ACC cruise control buttton functionality as well as heated wheel support.

However the real jewel in the project is that i am almost there in respect of adding the Tiptronic paddle shift control via a wireless link.

As soon as the D3 and Sport conversion is done and finished, i intend to then move straight on to the L322 and already have a full 2010 heated wheel, an Airbag and clock spring and 2 sets of controls to work with. However i have barely looked at these yet, but i do note that it seems the conversion might require only the switch modules.

Because the 2010 L322 wheel controls use CAN instead of the IBUS i will have to make a processor to send out IBUS messages indicating what button has been pressed, and so I have also invested in specialist software and hardware to monitor, decode and study the IBUS comms traffic, which from what little research i have done on IBUS data, seems very simple.
 
BBS Guy said:
You should stand a good chance of finding one from a breaker, but check out the new price anyway. Also consider sourcing one from a Beemer as its the very same unit.

https://www.blackbox-solutions.com/shop/help/SM063.html

You might want to check your wiring loom has the plug for it. Its in the rear Passenger side quarter compartment.

Interestingly, the reason i happen to know so much about LR wheel switch control technology is because i am currently working on a pet project to allow the later 2010 steering wheels to be retro fitted to the earlier models.

I have started with the Disco 3 and RR sport wheels and although the later D4 and 2010 sport wheels use LIN bus for comunications rather than the resistive loop of the earlier ones, i have made a prototype kit to convert this which is going very well.
here is a link to a You tube Video demonstrating the first prototype in action

YouTube- Discovery 4 Steering Wheel on a Discovery 3

I have recently added the ACC cruise control buttton functionality as well as heated wheel support.

However the real jewel in the project is that i am almost there in respect of adding the Tiptronic paddle shift control via a wireless link.

As soon as the D3 and Sport conversion is done and finished, i intend to then move straight on to the L322 and already have a full 2010 heated wheel, an Airbag and clock spring and 2 sets of controls to work with. However i have barely looked at these yet, but i do note that it seems the conversion might require only the switch modules.

Because the 2010 L322 wheel controls use CAN instead of the IBUS i will have to make a processor to send out IBUS messages indicating what button has been pressed, and so I have also invested in specialist software and hardware to monitor, decode and study the IBUS comms traffic, which from what little research i have done on IBUS data, seems very simple.
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Hi mate, do you know what the part number is for the voice module?

Thanks
Matt
 
BBS Guy,

Can you make a box which converts the IBUS signals from the steering wheel buttons to a resistive loop?

I have fitted a low budget Chinese manufactured aftermarket touchscreen system to my HSE. The unit came with 3 wires for streering wheel control input (Key#1, Key#2 and Common). Unfortunately there is no information on what input signals are required.

I came across a company called PAC Audio, which specialise in steering wheel interface units. They tell me that their Infrared model SWI-X
Pac-Audio.com Product Details | iPod Integration for your car and More by Pac-Audio - Connecting you to the future
will work with an L322 Range Rover by connecting the yellow wire which comes from the box to the "grey/white wire with yellow dots" from the streering wheel switch module, which I presume is the IBUS wire.
http://www.pac-audio.com/swixprogra...rch=Land+Rover&Submit2=Search+Vehicles&ID=309

Any ideas if this is kosher?
 
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BBS Guy said:
I have started with the Disco 3 and RR sport wheels and although the later D4 and 2010 sport wheels use LIN bus for comunications rather than the resistive loop of the earlier ones, i have made a prototype kit to convert this which is going very well.
here is a link to a You tube Video demonstrating the first prototype in action

YouTube- Discovery 4 Steering Wheel on a Discovery 3
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doesnt this answer yo Q?
 
@ mattstevenson2005
Matt, Try a U instead of the V, i jotted it down and when i came back to read it, it could have really been either :)

The info was taken from a bang up to date Microcat system, (on my other laptop) so is not out of date, If you still can't find it, i will re check.

@garioch43
Yea i know where you are coming from.
There is a plug in app for Centrafuse and a bit of hardware that is quite cool and allows resistive loop type steering controls to be recognised and control whatever you desire by any in car PC running it. What, did you really think i was so unaware !!!! Your chinese stuff is just the same.

I initially hoped to provide an option for normally out of range resistance values to be allocated to the secondary 5 way cluster in my D3 / RRS conversion for such use by Centrafuse, but frankly the difficulties i already faced made that aspect an expendable element by quite a long way, especially considering the mimimal requirement and desirability it had.

If i had to ditch this for the the existing D3 / RRS, you can hopefully appreciate that a project that involves replacing the CAN BUS element of the L322 2010 wheel and replacing it for something that satisfies the Ibus is much more difficult to also add some resistive loop to.
 
Hi BBS,

I have just tried the U instead of the V and it doesn't return any useable results, if you could, could you double check the part number for me on Microcat as the version I have is from 2006 and i can't find it on there
 
BBSGuy,

I never for a moment doubted your "awareness". As far as I can see, you are the streering wheel control guru!

I am really looking for some assurance that the PAC Audio guys know what they are talking about and that their inreface box will indeed recognise the IBUS signals from my 2002 L322 Steering wheel and conver them to infrared signals, which I can programme to match my head unit's IR input.
 
No worries garioch43, just me having had a few and feeling a bit more smug with myself than usual and possibly than i should have done for having spent a bit of time trying out Centrafuse and doing a bit of research about remote control aspects.

I am only human and although by day i may get up to some mind bending technological aspects, by night, i like my beer and especially it's stressful day nullifying effects as much as anyone. I like to think of it as a valuable tool in assisting me to write total crap just as well as the next man.:welcome2:

Anyway, while i am not really able to catagorically state that the PAC Audio guys know what they are talking about, what i can say is that the Ibus is no big deal, it has no security and there is much documentation around for it. It is also not proprietary to Land Rover But BMW, meaning there is 10 times the amount of dev work going on which naturally crosses over.
 
Done the same myself after a few glasses of vino colapso.

Can you by any chance confirm that the IBUS wire from the streering wheel control unit is in fact grey/white with yellow dots and how to access it?

This would give me some confidence that the PAC Audio unit might work.

Cheers!
 
vino colapso:hysterically_laughi:hysterically_laughi
Man that's made my night
and there is me thinking i am alone. :LOL
Be most happy to look that up for ya in the morning garioch and get back to ya.
 
Garioch43
Pin nine on the rotary coupler, listed as "WSY" White / Slate(Grey) / Yellow
Matt, sorry my bad XVD000091
 
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