Smokey Landy help

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Adrian Jenkinson

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• Jun 17, 2006

• #1

I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However, she is
smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for a tune-up
thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning they said the
timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super rich - which is
causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb setting to super lean
and no change. they said the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the
diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault.
I looked at this and it is ok.

I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?

 

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GbH

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• Jun 17, 2006

• #2

Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
> she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for
> a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning
> they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super
> rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb
> setting to super lean and no change. they said the Carb is knackered
> and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top
> of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked at this and it is ok.
>
> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?

Retun the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere more reputable.
Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphram thought that were Solex.

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!

 

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GbH

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• Jun 17, 2006

• #3

GbH wrote:
> Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>> she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for
>> a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning
>> they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super
>> rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb
>> setting to super lean and no change. they said the Carb is knackered
>> and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top
>> of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked at this and it is ok.
>>
>> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?
>
> Retun the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere more
> reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphram thought that were Solex.

Gawd, my spelin's ripe enit!

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!

 

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Derek

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• Jun 17, 2006

• #4

"Adrian Jenkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However, she is
> smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for a tune-up
> thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning they said the
> timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super rich - which is
> causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb setting to super lean
> and no change. they said the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the
> diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault.
> I looked at this and it is ok.
>
> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?
>
Before you get hot and bothered ( do i look bovvered ) have a peek at
http://www.norcalrover.org/downloads/ncrc_2.pdf see if it helps at all I've
not touched a Zenith for about - well a very long time a pin hole in the
diaphragm causes many of the problems and an incorrectly set float or muck
in the float valve is the usual suspect if its running ridiculously rich
(see the bit about adapter plates.) worn butterfly spindles if its
ridiculously lean
Funny coincidence I found I still have the various needle and jet setting
tools for the early model solex/zeniths the more I tidy up the more
surprises I get
Derek
No I do not have tourettes I own a land rover

 

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GbH

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• Jun 17, 2006

• #5

GbH wrote:
> Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>> she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for
>> a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning
>> they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super
>> rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb
>> setting to super lean and no change. they said the Carb is knackered
>> and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top
>> of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked at this and it is ok.
>>
>> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?
>
> RetuRn the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere more
> reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphraGm thought that were Solex.

Or am I confusticated with Stromberg?

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!

 

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Derek

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• Jun 18, 2006

• #6

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> GbH wrote:
>> Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>>> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>>> she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for
>>> a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning
>>> they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super
>>> rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb
>>> setting to super lean and no change. they said the Carb is knackered
>>> and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top
>>> of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked at this and it is ok.
>>>
>>> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?
>>
>> RetuRn the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere more
>> reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphraGm thought that were Solex.
>
> Or am I confusticated with Stromberg?
>
> --
> "He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
> her doing it."
>
> The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
Nope Solex and Zenith amalgamated in 1955 and then with Stromberg and just
to make things more complicated Burlen Fuel Systems Limited
http://www.burlen.co.uk/profile.aspx now make both and also SU's amac and
amal carbs either way bloody confusing my archive shows a Solex type carb
with dashpot as a Zenith 175cd and yes I do have the needle adjuster tool
I wonder if Ade's garage have one? or have they played with the idle
adjuster
Derek

 

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Karen Gallagher

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• Jun 18, 2006

• #7

Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However, she is
> smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for a tune-up
> thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning they said the
> timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super rich - which is
> causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb setting to super lean
> and no change. they said the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the
> diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault.
> I looked at this and it is ok.
>
> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?
>
>
You have checked for the usual Zenith warp, I hope? Easily fixed with a
bit of O ring.

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

 

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GbH

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• Jun 18, 2006

• #8

Derek wrote:
> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> GbH wrote:
>>> Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>>>> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>>>> she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath
>>>> for a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after
>>>> returning they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is
>>>> running super rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have
>>>> turned the carb setting to super lean and no change. they said
>>>> the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one
>>>> with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked
>>>> at this and it is ok. I don't want to throw good money after bad. What
>>>> should i do?
>>>
>>> RetuRn the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere
>>> more reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphraGm thought that
>>> were Solex.
>>
>> Or am I confusticated with Stromberg?
>>
>> --
>> "He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to
>> interrupt her doing it."
>>
>> The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
> Nope Solex and Zenith amalgamated in 1955 and then with Stromberg and just to
> make things more complicated Burlen Fuel Systems Limited
> http://www.burlen.co.uk/profile.aspx now make both and also SU's amac and amal
> carbs either way bloody confusing my archive shows a
> Solex type carb with dashpot as a Zenith 175cd and yes I do have
> the needle adjuster tool I wonder if Ade's garage have one? or have
> they played with the idle adjuster
> Derek

Amalgamation with reorganisation and rationalisation, bring back the Skinner's
Union, I say.
Suspect you might be right, b'stard to adjust mixture on a Stromberg as I recall,
often resulting in the diaphragm being wrought assunder in frustration. Much much
easier with an SU, but a nice little carb once set up right.
--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!

 

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Derek

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• Jun 18, 2006

• #9

"Adrian Jenkinson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However, she is
> smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath for a tune-up
> thinking the timing must be out. However, after returning they said the
> timing/ignition is fine and the carb is running super rich - which is
> causing the smoking. Said they have turned the carb setting to super lean
> and no change. they said the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the
> diaphram (the one with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault.
> I looked at this and it is ok.
>
> I don't want to throw good money after bad. What should i do?
>
No No its not leaking merely marking its territory. I changed the upper
breather pipe a couple of weeks ago (200 Tdi Disco) it had a split
hidden underneath where it fits (?) the output pipe on the rocker box
probably due
to the tight bend but like those on the rocker cover gasket it tends to
migrate back down the block . Go with Richards suggestion bleed the clutch
its a
ten minute job ( including finding the tin of hydraulic fluid to top up)
which costs next to nowt.

Derek

 

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Derek

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• Jun 18, 2006

• #10

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Derek wrote:
>> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> GbH wrote:
>>>> Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>>>>> I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>>>>> she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath
>>>>> for a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after
>>>>> returning they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is
>>>>> running super rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have
>>>>> turned the carb setting to super lean and no change. they said
>>>>> the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one
>>>>> with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked
>>>>> at this and it is ok. I don't want to throw good money after bad.
>>>>> What should i do?
>>>>
>>>> RetuRn the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere
>>>> more reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphraGm thought that
>>>> were Solex.
>>>
>>> Or am I confusticated with Stromberg?
>>>
>>> --
>>> "He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to
>>> interrupt her doing it."
>>>
>>> The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
>> Nope Solex and Zenith amalgamated in 1955 and then with Stromberg and
>> just to make things more complicated Burlen Fuel Systems Limited
>> http://www.burlen.co.uk/profile.aspx now make both and also SU's amac
>> and amal carbs either way bloody confusing my archive shows a
>> Solex type carb with dashpot as a Zenith 175cd and yes I do have
>> the needle adjuster tool I wonder if Ade's garage have one? or have
>> they played with the idle adjuster
>> Derek
>
> Amalgamation with reorganisation and rationalisation, bring back the
> Skinner's Union, I say.
> Suspect you might be right, b'stard to adjust mixture on a Stromberg as I
> recall, often resulting in the diaphragm being wrought assunder in
> frustration. Much much easier with an SU, but a nice little carb once set
> up right.
> --
> "He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
> her doing it."
>
> The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
Thats why I kept the tools they have a dowel that engages in slot in the
tube that holds the damping oil - that in theory prevents the piston
twisting and mangling the diaphragm
two types one like a long allen key the other a slot driver and if you are
dead unlucky a third which adjusts the jet tube from below I think thats for
a Stromberg but maybe not.
Derek

 

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Srtgray

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• Jun 18, 2006

• #11

Derek wrote:
> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Derek wrote:
>>
>>>"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>
>>>>GbH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>>>>>>she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath
>>>>>>for a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after
>>>>>>returning they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is
>>>>>>running super rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have
>>>>>>turned the carb setting to super lean and no change. they said
>>>>>>the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one
>>>>>>with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked
>>>>>>at this and it is ok. I don't want to throw good money after bad.
>>>>>>What should i do?
>>>>>
>>>>>RetuRn the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere
>>>>>more reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphraGm thought that
>>>>>were Solex.
>>>>
>>>>Or am I confusticated with Stromberg?
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to
>>>>interrupt her doing it."
>>>>
>>>>The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
>>>
>>>Nope Solex and Zenith amalgamated in 1955 and then with Stromberg and
>>>just to make things more complicated Burlen Fuel Systems Limited
>>>http://www.burlen.co.uk/profile.aspx now make both and also SU's amac
>>>and amal carbs either way bloody confusing my archive shows a
>>>Solex type carb with dashpot as a Zenith 175cd and yes I do have
>>>the needle adjuster tool I wonder if Ade's garage have one? or have
>>>they played with the idle adjuster
>>>Derek
>>
>>Amalgamation with reorganisation and rationalisation, bring back the
>>Skinner's Union, I say.
>>Suspect you might be right, b'stard to adjust mixture on a Stromberg as I
>>recall, often resulting in the diaphragm being wrought assunder in
>>frustration. Much much easier with an SU, but a nice little carb once set
>>up right.
>>--
>>"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
>>her doing it."
>>
>>The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
>
> Thats why I kept the tools they have a dowel that engages in slot in the
> tube that holds the damping oil - that in theory prevents the piston
> twisting and mangling the diaphragm
> two types one like a long allen key the other a slot driver and if you are
> dead unlucky a third which adjusts the jet tube from below I think thats for
> a Stromberg but maybe not.
> Derek
>
>
You wouldn't be prepared to lend the one with the allen key to a poor V8
owner in France? I'd cover postage both ways...

Ta,
Stuart

 

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Derek

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• Jun 19, 2006

• #12

"Srtgray" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Derek wrote:
>> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>>>Derek wrote:
>>>
>>>>"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>
>>>>>GbH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Adrian Jenkinson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have fitted a brand new Zenith Carbm onto the old girl. However,
>>>>>>>she is smoking heavly... so i took her to Sanspeed in bexleyheath
>>>>>>>for a tune-up thinking the timing must be out. However, after
>>>>>>>returning they said the timing/ignition is fine and the carb is
>>>>>>>running super rich - which is causing the smoking. Said they have
>>>>>>>turned the carb setting to super lean and no change. they said
>>>>>>>the Carb is knackered and buy a new one or, the diaphram (the one
>>>>>>>with 3 screws on the top of the Carb) could be at fault. I looked
>>>>>>>at this and it is ok. I don't want to throw good money after bad.
>>>>>>>What should i do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>RetuRn the Zenith whence it came. Source a replacement somewhere
>>>>>>more reputable. Didn't know Zeniths had a diaphraGm thought that
>>>>>>were Solex.
>>>>>
>>>>>Or am I confusticated with Stromberg?
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to
>>>>>interrupt her doing it."
>>>>>
>>>>>The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
>>>>
>>>>Nope Solex and Zenith amalgamated in 1955 and then with Stromberg and
>>>>just to make things more complicated Burlen Fuel Systems Limited
>>>>http://www.burlen.co.uk/profile.aspx now make both and also SU's amac
>>>>and amal carbs either way bloody confusing my archive shows a
>>>>Solex type carb with dashpot as a Zenith 175cd and yes I do have
>>>>the needle adjuster tool I wonder if Ade's garage have one? or have
>>>>they played with the idle adjuster
>>>>Derek
>>>
>>>Amalgamation with reorganisation and rationalisation, bring back the
>>>Skinner's Union, I say.
>>>Suspect you might be right, b'stard to adjust mixture on a Stromberg as I
>>>recall, often resulting in the diaphragm being wrought assunder in
>>>frustration. Much much easier with an SU, but a nice little carb once set
>>>up right.
>>>--
>>>"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
>>>her doing it."
>>>
>>>The fiend of my fiend is my enema!
>>
>> Thats why I kept the tools they have a dowel that engages in slot in the
>> tube that holds the damping oil - that in theory prevents the piston
>> twisting and mangling the diaphragm
>> two types one like a long allen key the other a slot driver and if you
>> are dead unlucky a third which adjusts the jet tube from below I think
>> thats for a Stromberg but maybe not.
>> Derek
> You wouldn't be prepared to lend the one with the allen key to a poor V8
> owner in France? I'd cover postage both ways...
>
> Ta,
> Stuart

you got mail
Derek