Sluggish on hills

The Isle of Man Man. · Feb 2, 2011

I was driving me 300tdi Defender today and she was driving fine on downward slopes and flat roads but any hills and she wouldn't put past 30mph any gear just sluggish power output, the hill was just a casual slope. Thanks for any help, just doing my head in holding thousands of cars up flashing lights and horns. :doh: I can tell you more info if you need it.

ANGELO DAMATO · Feb 2, 2011

Split/colapsed intercooler hoses? .Air in your fuel line?. Or how about simple as fuel filter full of crap, worth a change for starters ,Any type/colour of smoke from your exhaust?

The Isle of Man Man. · Feb 2, 2011

ANGELO DAMATO said:
Split/colapsed intercooler hoses? .Air in your fuel line?. Or how about simple as fuel filter full of crap, worth a change for starters ,Any type/colour of smoke from your exhaust?

Intercooler hoses looks in good shape, air in the fuel line sounds promising but wouldn't she be sluggish and spluttering during normal driving? Ah forgot about the fuel filter I'll check that. Nope just colourless smoke on startup then goes after the engine has woken up. Thanks Angelo Damato, I'll look at the fuel filter tommorow mornin'.

Bayden_uk · Feb 3, 2011

The Isle of Man said:
I was driving me 300tdi Defender today and she was driving fine on downward slopes and flat roads but any hills and she wouldn't put past 30mph any gear just sluggish power output, the hill was just a casual slope. Thanks for any help, just doing my head in holding thousands of cars up flashing lights and horns. :doh: I can tell you more info if you need it.

sounds like you have the same problem as me mate. i couldnt even get off my boss's gravel on his garden path.

dose this sound the same; extremly slow on start and take off. runs fine once the engine has warmed up. but still slow when starting off in first. any slight incline the engine starts to struggle.....

i replaced my filter, wasnt that, replaced my lift pump, wasnt that. going to check my leak off pipes on pay day, that was the next place i was told to look.

let me know how you get on, this one has been bugging me for a while now.

cheers

Ben

bustersbus · Feb 3, 2011

Might be worth thinking about injectors.
Ah had the set out of the white bus POP tested and came back guid. Changed them over to the green bus and now it pulls a lot better up hill in a higher gear and a lot less smoke.... just a thought

Might be worth just taking them out, giving them a clean and renew copper washers to see if that helps any

Bayden_uk · Feb 3, 2011

bustersbus said:
Might be worth thinking about injectors.
Ah had the set out of the white bus POP tested and came back guid. Changed them over to the green bus and now it pulls a lot better up hill in a higher gear and a lot less smoke.... just a thought
Might be worth just taking them out, giving them a clean and renew copper washers to see if that helps any

good stuff! somthing for me to do on my day off tomorow.

cheers buster

The Isle of Man Man. · Feb 3, 2011

Bayden_uk said:
sounds like you have the same problem as me mate. i couldnt even get off my boss's gravel on his garden path.

dose this sound the same; extremly slow on start and take off. runs fine once the engine has warmed up. but still slow when starting off in first. any slight incline the engine starts to struggle.....

i replaced my filter, wasnt that, replaced my lift pump, wasnt that. going to check my leak off pipes on pay day, that was the next place i was told to look.

let me know how you get on, this one has been bugging me for a while now.

cheers

Ben

Yeah trying to reverse it off my drive is a nightmare and have to get someone to give it a good push but once a slow start she runs fine until a hill, well my pipes SEEM fine but there could be a hidden crack, which I'll see by taking them off and running water through them.

bustersbus said:
Might be worth thinking about injectors.
Ah had the set out of the white bus POP tested and came back guid. Changed them over to the green bus and now it pulls a lot better up hill in a higher gear and a lot less smoke.... just a thought
Might be worth just taking them out, giving them a clean and renew copper washers to see if that helps any

Thanks Bustersbus I haven't checked the injectors so that I shall do today, thanks again!

Bayden_uk · Feb 3, 2011

The Isle of Man said:
Yeah trying to reverse it off my drive is a nightmare and have to get someone to give it a good push but once a slow start she runs fine until a hill, well my pipes SEEM fine but there could be a hidden crack, which I'll see by taking them off and running water through them.

yup sounds like you have what i have. you keep me posted an ill keep you posted on my progress mate, see if we can battle this.

Bayden_uk · Feb 3, 2011

ok i might have solve this problem, im gunna go to work on my landy tomorow. if its all sucsesfull ill be right on here to let you know

The Isle of Man Man. · Feb 4, 2011

Bayden_uk said:
ok i might have solve this problem, im gunna go to work on my landy tomorow. if its all sucsesfull ill be right on here to let you know

Nice! Tell me if it works?

Well today I replaced the air feed hose as that looked quite bad, and also replaced a core plug that was worse for wear and at first she could have out ran a punto but I got onto a 50mph long hill and none of the gears worked she would rev hard and no amount of acceleration would push her, I was then travelling at about 20mph to get up the hill and it stank of coolant, but that could be when I replaced the core plug the coolant leaked onto the exhaust and block then it got hot. I dragged her home with a fight then when I opened the bonnet a tiny bit of smoke was coming out of what seemed the gear box when I pushed the accelarator, it didn't have that sweet coolant smell. Could it be the clutch gone? I checked the filters and they look like new, should I check the injectors too?

I tried the smoke test when the engine was coolish and no smoke came out. Oh and on startup black smoke bellowed out of the exhaust indicating it was running a bit rich what could this be?

landowner · Feb 4, 2011

The Isle of Man said:
Nice! Tell me if it works?

Well today I replaced the air feed hose as that looked quite bad, and also replaced a core plug that was worse for wear and at first she could have out ran a punto but I got onto a 50mph long hill and none of the gears worked she would rev hard and no amount of acceleration would push her, I was then travelling at about 20mph to get up the hill and it stank of coolant, but that could be when I replaced the core plug the coolant leaked onto the exhaust and block then it got hot. I dragged her home with a fight then when I opened the bonnet a tiny bit of smoke was coming out of what seemed the gear box when I pushed the accelarator, it didn't have that sweet coolant smell. Could it be the clutch gone? I checked the filters and they look like new, should I check the injectors too?

I tried the smoke test when the engine was coolish and no smoke came out. Oh and on startup black smoke bellowed out of the exhaust indicating it was running a bit rich what could this be?

sounds like clutch has gone, try and stall it in 5th, if not then new clutch time

The Isle of Man Man. · Feb 4, 2011

landowner said:
sounds like clutch has gone, try and stall it in 5th, if not then new clutch time

Goddamit you are good at problems! went for a drive out onto the field and she would idle without stalling with the handbreak on, 5th gear and clutch out. Is it a do it yourself job to replace the clutch plate or is it garage time? Thanks Landowner!

jamesmartin · Feb 4, 2011

you must have noticed revs rising while slowing going up hill

khaos · Feb 4, 2011

You can d a clutch yourself with an engine hoist by taking the seats out or drop it down. You can usually slide the gearbox back enough to put a clutch in.

Karlos28 · Feb 5, 2011

is it best to get the gearbox out to do it? the clutch in my td is just starting to slip. i had planned on doing it when i do a tdi conversion but it has started to go alot sooner than i thought, and i dont have the money for en engine yet!! :-( will the td clutch fit the 200tdi?

jamesmartin · Feb 5, 2011

same clutch

Karlos28 · Feb 5, 2011

thought so, good times. means changing it now wont be a total waste of money till i get a 200.

khaos · Feb 5, 2011

Karlos28 said:
thought so, good times. means changing it now wont be a total waste of money till i get a 200.

If you use it off road mostly then stick a 130 heavy duty clutch in it. It will last forever but the take up is very sudden but that's a compromise I was willing to make.

Karlos28 · Feb 5, 2011

cheers fella, and as usual, stay away from britpart?

jamesmartin · Feb 6, 2011

except for britpart do borg and beck clutch kit cheaper than others

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