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Greg wrote:

<snip>

Similar argument now starting over on uk.rec.motorcaravans. Thread is
"Justice at last".

Ladeez and Gemmun, take your seats.

--
Rich
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2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
1991 Transit Camper

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
In message <[email protected]>, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> writes
>On or around Wed, 08 Nov 2006 09:43:04 +0000 (GMT), [email protected]
>("David G. Bell") enlightened us thusly:
>
>>On 8 Nov, in article
>> <[email protected]>
>> [email protected] "Ga" wrote:
>>
>>> But for the motorists who are obviously ignoring
>>> the signs and trying to save 5 minutes by sneaking through the
>>> pedestrianised area - f&%k 'em.

>>
>>I don't think I would count a buslane as a pedestrianised area.

>
>it's neither - it's a semi-ped area to which cretain vehicles such as buses
>are allowed access.

Did you mean certain or cretin?
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hugh
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In message <[email protected]>, Greg
<[email protected]> writes
>"Ian Rawlings" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>> They're certainly the favourite in the pedestrians-killed-per-mile
>> stakes! They kill more per mile than any other form of transport, and
>> that was figures from the government's own websites. You try finding
>> it again though, I really ought to save these things off when I find
>> them!! Twisty maze of websites, all identical.

>
>I'm not surprised, combine a front that makes even the worst designed 4x4's
>look pedestrian friendly, the fact that the length means they often encroach
>onto pavements on tight corners in towns, the lack of driver visibility, and
>it's plain to see what the outcome will be.
>
>I was once witness to a bus killing a pedestrian when it swung into an
>entrance on the right, and the back end swung out onto the left pavement and
>crushed her against a wall. People were tending to her when the same bus
>began to back out straight towards them, I had to stop the arsehole backing
>as he had no idea what had happened and would have blindly hit them. At the
>time I thought she was just injured, but when they took statements the
>police told us she had died.
>
>Add a typical 4MPG, low occupancy on most journeys, the age of the UK bus
>fleet, their refusal to stop their engines when parked up, the cost to the
>tax payer of bus friendly road schemes and ever increasing subsidies needed
>to keep them running where actually needed, and you've got a very expensive
>failure to deal with our transport and pollution issues.
>
>Greg
>
>

Funnily enough I've been out on the bus today just to pop into town. One
less vehicle to clog up the roads and the car parks.(V8 Defender). Bus
on time, driver waited for me as I was about 25yards short of the stop
as he went past, warm and comfortable, about 1/2 - 2/3rds full, easy
access for the less abled. What I find is the biggest difference is the
mental attitude when you reach your destination. Much more relaxed. It
has to be experienced to be believed - you should try it some time.

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hugh
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In message <[email protected]>, Srtgray
<[email protected]> writes
>William Tasso wrote:
><snip>
>> Any more bright ideas? perhaps we should shred the tyres of motors
>>breaking the speed limit? launch javelins through the spokes of
>>cyclists on the pavement? Acknowledge that pedestrians are simply
>>road-kill in waiting?

>
>*Now* you're talking! :)
>
>Stuart

Yeah. Zero tolerance, pal.
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hugh
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On 2006-11-11, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

> has to be experienced to be believed - you should try it some time.


When I lived in a city (Reading), the bus service was unreliable,
slow, and the other passengers were a mix of normal people, pretty
girls, shouting crowds of teenagers, gangs of football hooligans
talking about the next fight and glaring at the other passengers,
singing winos and lunatics. While a bit of variety in life is all
well and good, I couldn't wait to get off those busses.

Plus of course to get to my job outside of Reading I had to be out of
the house by 6:30 AM to get to work by 9, when I got a car I could
leave the house at 8:00. Leaving work the busses had to come through
Newbury before the bypass, so were often over an hour late, most
nights I didn't get back home until 8:30 PM despite leaving at 5:30.

Not all public transport is quite as bad as that of course, but at
least you have some control over what happens to you on the journey.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
"hugh" <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> Funnily enough I've been out on the bus today just to pop into town. One
> less vehicle to clog up the roads and the car parks.(V8 Defender). Bus
> on time, driver waited for me as I was about 25yards short of the stop
> as he went past, warm and comfortable, about 1/2 - 2/3rds full, easy
> access for the less abled. What I find is the biggest difference is the
> mental attitude when you reach your destination. Much more relaxed. It
> has to be experienced to be believed - you should try it some time.


Then you were very, very fortunate, the last time my mother tried to use a
bus around here she had to wait half an hour past the time, which she only
gleaned by calling them as they don't bother putting timetables at the stops
any more. After looking in disgust at her pensioner's pass he moved off
while she was still standing so throwing her off her feet. He stopped in
town and had a deliberately loud conversation with another drive about how
all the pensioners with their 'free' passes were putting him out of a job,
despite the fact the Council pays a good chunk of his wages with a subsidy
to cover these passes. There was no bell so she had to try and walk forward
while the bus was moving, when she got to the front he refused to stop at
the stop she wanted as she was "too late" so made her stand there until the
next one.

Oddly enough she got a taxi back and has not used a bus since, and who can
blame her. Around here there are only two busses remotely full and no
they're NOT the ones getting people to and from work because people don't
trust them enough for that!, they're the first and last busses that accept
pensioner's free passes, so without the Council subsidy the buses probably
wouldn't run. What this says about the IQ of the drivers I'll leave you to
decide.
Greg


 
"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Similar argument now starting over on uk.rec.motorcaravans. Thread is
> "Justice at last".


With a similar divide of opinion, one camp who think it's ok for the
government to install automated mini-guns to enforce 'keep off the grass'
signs so long as those signs are clear, and another group who think the
government is yet again flouting their own laws and has killed at least one
person with these illegal machines. I'll be amazed if these things aren't
dug up in a few years time, at great expense to us all.
Greg


 
Ian Rawlings wrote:

|| On 2006-11-11, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
||
||| has to be experienced to be believed - you should try it some time.
||
|| When I lived in a city (Reading), the bus service was unreliable,
|| slow, and the other passengers were a mix of normal people, pretty
|| girls, shouting crowds of teenagers, gangs of football hooligans
|| talking about the next fight and glaring at the other passengers,
|| singing winos and lunatics. While a bit of variety in life is all
|| well and good, I couldn't wait to get off those busses.
||
|| Plus of course to get to my job outside of Reading I had to be out of
|| the house by 6:30 AM to get to work by 9, when I got a car I could
|| leave the house at 8:00. Leaving work the busses had to come through
|| Newbury before the bypass, so were often over an hour late, most
|| nights I didn't get back home until 8:30 PM despite leaving at 5:30.
||
|| Not all public transport is quite as bad as that of course, but at
|| least you have some control over what happens to you on the journey.
||
|| --
|| Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!


I grew up in Leeds in the 60s/early 70s, where the bus service was superb.
I spent most of my youth roaming the city courtesy of Leeds City Transport,
fares mostly 2d - 6d, later 2p - 10p. Brilliant, although the fares were
heavily subsidised from the rates. I think you're right, though. The
minute I got a motorbike, I never went near a bus again - except when I was
planning on a pint or six. Now I have one bus a week into town, and another
coming back 2 hours later. That's it. And they wonder why people don't use
them.

My mum was robbed on a Leeds bus in broad daylight. She was coming home
from a shopping trip (aged about 80, mind). A lad sat in the next seat to
her on the very crowded bus, and used a razor to slash her shopping bag and
remove her purse. She didn't know until she got off the bus and the bottom
of her bag fell apart. We're all living separate lives these days, and the
decline in public transport is part of that, but with incidents like this
I'm not surprised - in your car, you're in control of your journey, and you
can choose who you sit next to.

--
Rich
==============================

2001 Disco II ES auto
1971 S2a 88" petrol
1991 Transit Camper

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
On 2006-11-11, Richard Brookman <[email protected]> wrote:

> planning on a pint or six. Now I have one bus a week into town, and another
> coming back 2 hours later. That's it. And they wonder why people don't use
> them.


Ditto out here, I get more busses than that, but they're not practical
due to the length of time they take. When I'm an ancient old codger
then perhaps.

> I'm not surprised - in your car, you're in control of your journey, and you
> can choose who you sit next to.


You also get better treatment, last time I took a proper train ride
was in the middle of a very hot summer, the carriage had tiny windows
to prevent people from opening them, because the carriage had air
conditioning, which of course didn't work. So we sweated, some people
could hardly stand, and the staff at the station were taking a lot of
flack. A few days later there was a story in the papers and TV about
a carriage that was similarly afflicted, but with the train stopped
for half an hour with no shade. The passengers got off because it was
too hot inside, guards came along and told them to get back on as the
train was pulling away, so they got on, the guards then locked them in
and the train sat there for an hour and a half --- the guards only
told them to get on so they could lock them in. ISTR the passengers
smashed the windows for ventilation.

Then there's people being stuck on the London underground for hours,
packed in like cattle, busses that break down in the middle of nowhere
(like my old bus from Reading to Thatcham) and the replacement taking
several hours to reach us and so on, basically any public transport
seems to treat passengers as an inconvenient obstacle to the operation
of procedure. It's hard not to feel like a piece of dirt on much of
public transport, with some exceptions.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
"Richard Brookman" <[email protected]> wrote in
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> I grew up in Leeds in the 60s/early 70s, where the bus service was superb.


The bus service around here USED to be very good, the estate I live in was
served by a double decker every 15 minutes throughout the day, and so many
people used them they were often full at busy times. We relied on them to
get to work and with that sort of service you could, if you missed one, or
it was full, 15 minutes was not too long to wait for another, oh and they
had space for luggage opposite the stairs so you could get your shopping
home. It's a very, very different tale now though.
Greg


 
> it probably says so on the signs. Next time I'm in mancy, I'll try to
> remember and take some photos of the whole scene.


I went today to look at the scene of crime :)

Its not Corporation Street its a road that runs perpendicular to it called
St Marys Gate, it leads up to the Arndale shopping Centre & Corporation
Street, with Deansgate at the other end of it.

The first signs you see are 20 MPH signs as you turn into St Marys Gate, the
next are 'Beware Bollards rising between time 1 - time 2' Sorry forgot the
time period. The next are the Illuminated 'No Entry' sign with 'Metrobuses
only' underneath.

The red strip accross the road is not signed or labelled as a pedestrian
crossing, its just a red strip accross the road. There is a roundabout
before the bollards which allows vehicles to turn round and go back to
Deansgate, this is the area where the cars look as if they are waiting to
tailgate through.

St Marys Gate doesnt get very much through traffic here, Corporation Street
gets the larger quantities of buses passing through.

I waited in the glorious Manchester weather yesterday and watched and alas
nothing happened to report - all cars that came up turned around and went
back to Deansgate. No-one tried to get through and no buses appeared in 20
mins - typical I hear you say !!!

I noticed this is the only one of the three raising bollards that actually
has CCTV on it, possibly because its at the end of St Anns Square, M&S,
Selfridges & Harbey Nicholls are all very close by - so perhaps they are
thinking CCTV hers for toe rag 1 & 2 spotting ???

Hope this helps.

Dave


 
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