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My sister is selling a 2001 1.8 (102.000 mls 10 months MOT) freelander and has offered it to me for £400.00. It needs a new Head Gasket and I was quoted £325 for the new Gasket (which he states is a new upgrade gasket) and water pump. To me this car seems to be a good investment, but will the new upgraded style (i think its a lotus one) last or is it gonna go again straight away. I would love some advice.

PS how easy is it to change a H Gasket yourself.

Thanks Scott j f
 
My sister is selling a 2001 1.8 (102.000 mls 10 months MOT) freelander and has offered it to me for £400.00. It needs a new Head Gasket and I was quoted £325 for the new Gasket (which he states is a new upgrade gasket) and water pump. To me this car seems to be a good investment, but will the new upgraded style (i think its a lotus one) last possibly or is it gonna go again straight away possibly. I would love some advice. You will get plenty of that.

PS how easy is it to change a H Gasket yourself. Changing the HG - easy - checking liners, fitting a remote thermostat........ - dunno - how bright are ya?

Thanks Scott j f

sell it to BoB
 
much easier to do the head gasket on it than the 2.0td i can assure you........

the main thing is if you have a knackered head gasket, u may also have a cracked head, especially if its overheated.... may be worth the risk, if anything u can strip it and sell for spares!
 
this head gasket lark is total BS there is talk of upgraded head gasket and shim which I have fitted to a freelander.
The owner was also told to fit a new web.

you then need to look at mgf and tf racing and they say the original is fine.

personally long bolts and plastic dowels are in my opinion most of it, couple this with liners not having top hat rim.
 
The bother with your post Scott is that you have to ask how easy it is to change the head gasket. Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking your enthusiasum to have a go. It is theoretically a straight forward job.

Drain the coolant, remove the auxilary belt so you can remove the timing belt, remove any items that are positioned over the engine block or over any items that also have to be accessed or removed, disconnect and secure the fuel inject system, disconnect the manifolds, untorque the head bolts in the correct sequence and lift the head off.

That is a very simplistic description on a generic engine. On some engines it is necesssary to remove the rocker cover and the cam shaft to access some of the head bolts.

Now the head is off the remains of the gasket can be cleaned away, making sure that nothing gets in the small gap between the piston and the cylinder wall. Next the head. The mating surface is now to be cleaned of gasket material making sure that no scratches are introduced. All carbon despoits are removed from the combustion cavities. Now with the head removed it is foolish to miss the opportunity to remove all the valves and clean any residue out of the ports. The valve oil seals should be replaced at this time. The mating surface now needs to be checked for flatness to ensure there is no warpage. Any distortion will ultimately lead to head gasket failure again. Any distortion should be removed by skimming the mating surface with a vertical milling machine. A professional should be entrusted with this. Now that the head is flat the valves can be put back into position. In doing so, each valve seating is ground into its mating seat in the head port using grinding compounds. This ensures a good compression when the engine is back together. One final test is now required. The head casting needs pressure testing to ensure it isn't cracked. Againg this is a professional job. Now with the head reassembled it can be fitted back to the block.

The new gasket is placed in position on the mating surface of the block. The head is positioned on top. Once positioned the head bolts are first checked that they haven't been over stressed, if so replace them. All bolts are fitted and screwed down finger tight. Then the torquing sequence can start. Each bolt is torqued to the correct initial torque figure, in the correct order, using a standard torque wrench. Then each bolt is tightened further using an angular torque wrench, again in sequence. Further angular torquing may then be required.

Now all the external components are refited, with new gaskets as required. The inlet and exhaust manifolds, the fuel injection system, the cam shaft, the rocker covers, the timing belt. Everything is re-assembled. Then the cooling system is flushed and then filled with coolant. The engine is test run and the cooling system bled. Finally the engine oil is changed.

If you've never done anything like this before then I recommend you find someone to help you who does know how and work with them. Bear in mind that you will need a range of tools, some specialist and ultimately expensive. Alternatively get it to a garage and pay them to do it. That way you have some insurance if it doesn't go right.

I have the greatest enthusiasum for individuals to better themselves and learn new skills and if you feel you can do this then go ahead, good luck and let us know how you get on. To answer your question though, it isn't an easy job if you've never done it before.

Good luck.
 
At £400 it's well worth the chance even if you end up breaking for spares. Go for it & use it as a learning experience. Original type head gaskets are not ok, only use uprated ones.
 
OK so I may have overestimated the work involved in changing a hg. But I do like to have a go. In response,thaks Darmain great post must have taken you a while to type out!

I think I may take the risk

I'll get the head pressure tested before I pay her
I'll keep u all informed

thamnk
 
at the risk of upsetting peeps - i still reckon yu would be better changing the lump to a 220Turbo lump - easy to do and a lot more reliable.

if yu do decide to go ahead - get the head crack tested anorl.

two things Darmain didnt mention is to.
do not moved tyhe crank with the head orf - else yu will bugger the liners.
get the liner heights checked as to be within tolerance (+0 to +.005" i think) otherwise it will do it again.
 
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Just done exactly the same thing, I am an experienced marine fitter and enjoyed the work (I am an office Walla now good to use my tools)
Definatelly replace the stressed bolts the specified torque takes them into the yeild zone by design so should not be used again. They are torqued not finger tight then pulled around 180 degrees twice in sequence, the starting torque makes a big difference. The LR elasomer joint is the only one to fit and you change plastic dowels for metal which holds the head properly.
£300 bought my gasket set, bolts, cambelt, oil filter, oil, thermostat and new water pump. Stay away from the main dealers and use a small specialist supplier.
The Hanes manual gives good advice follow it to the letter and it will go well.
The cam carrier must be backed off evenly or it will crack which makes the head a wright off. I bought a £13 jointing compound to put it back you do not need the £80 LR kit. The head bolts are dificult to undo I used Halfords Torx sockets and knuckle bar, £30 well worth spending as you can only buy 3/8 drive.
Clean verything inluding removing the sump this ensures all the water is removed, study the cam carrier and ensure the oil groves are clear, just as importantly dont get jointing compound in the grooves.
Ignor comments about the other cars this engine is fitted into this has Higher torque but less BHP the freelander needs it but the K series gets stressed by it.
Topping up with water rusts out the pipe on the back of the engine get it cleaned and fill with the best antifreeze mix as it is also a rust inhibitor.
I have put 150 miles on mine including some fun in the snow on Dartmoor but now the clutch has gone which is another common fault.
Good luck
 
I should point out here that my post is a generalised view of what is involved in changing a head gasket. Personally I have changed the gasket on a Hillman Imp (Classic car that was :D) and a Mark II Vauxhall Cavalier (Not HGF, the engine was coked up). I haven't change a head gasket on any version of the Freelander to date. I'm sure there are details of the procedure that suits the K series, L series or TD4 engines uniquely and endorse the point about following Haynes closely.

The point was that changing the gasket is not like changing a wheel, there is a lot of detail. If you think you can do it then go to it and good luck, but make sure you go to it with your eyes open.
 
Personally I have changed the gasket on a...and a Mark II Vauxhall Cavalier (Not HGF, the engine was coked up)

happy days they were, could do the cam belt in under an hour, oil changes took 15 minutes and you could change the clutch cable by the road side without a torch.
 

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Ah ha, thats the one. Mine was a B reg, Cavalier L. Was a good car and easy to work on. A good first car for me. Sold it when I bought a Pug 306 XRdt. That was another good car but not so easy to work on.
 
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