Series 3 diesel dash electrics

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tsunami

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #1

Where do I begin....

Recently was given a siii diesel lwb, having mentioned that I was thinking
of learning something about mechanics. A case of if you wanna learn learn
with this ( I think his wife was sick of 5 landies in various states of
restoration in the yard.)

So as a bit of a rookie decided to enlist the help of a young grease monkey
all was good we got it running in no time and I found where the clutch fluid
went all by myself (that should have been a warning sign.)

So returned to the new project this morning to find young sprocket jockey
had removed the steering wheel dash and instruments leaving a lovely nest of
wire. When I called him at work (secure mental ward... another warning i
ignored.) and asked if he had a plan got an answer that went along the lines
of "No." no labels, no plan, no idea. Apperantley after a short rant he told
me most of the electrics were blown and it would need a complete re-wire.

At this point I am throwing myself to your mercy. Is he right? Is there a
way out of this dark corner ? is there a humane way to exterminate well
meaning juvenille grease monkeys? Or am I over reacting, after all "Its all
part of the learning process." according to her that wants furry seats in it
once its running !!

Thanks in advance

Dave

 

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Steve Taylor

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #2

tsunami wrote:
> So returned to the new project this morning to find young sprocket jockey
> had removed the steering wheel dash and instruments leaving a lovely nest of
> wire.

Is "young sprocket jockey" related ? Or can he be beaten up with
impunity, or, failing that, with a big stick ?

What state is the wiring in ? Apart from being unterminated. Are there
signs of fire !

Steve

 

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Roger Martin

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #3

Not uncommon for the wiring looms to be in a worse state of decay than the
firewall, the maze of wiring is usually caused by someone adding accessories
and cutting into the wiring loom.

There is light at the end of the tunnel though.

A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
suppliers.

There are plenty of wiring diagrams on the Internet - many in colour and
with explanations of the colours used on the wires. The only thing you need
to get over is the schematic of the wiring diagram does not look anything
like the actual loom.

Once you study the loom and the diagram its easy enough to use some sticky
labels to mark the wires for each connection, use a battery and a light to
check continuity if you need to.

 

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tsunami

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #4

> Is "young sprocket jockey" related ? Or can he be beaten up with
> impunity, or, failing that, with a big stick ?
>
> What state is the wiring in ? Apart from being unterminated. Are there
> signs of fire !
>
> Steve

No relation just handy (?) neighbour cant find stick big enough....

No signs of any fire or burn out hence dubious about complete re-wire.
Presently just trying to find a method to sort which wires do what

 

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DavidM

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #5

"Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
> suppliers.

Name those suppliers! I want one. Is it Anchor?

If you enjoyed indoor fireworks before they were made illegal you will enjoy
fiddling with SIII electrics. The puff of smoke and chasing flames are truly
beautiful. Can you get a new loom that incorporates a sensible fuse box?

DavidM

 

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Roger Martin

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #6

> "Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
> > suppliers.
>
> Name those suppliers! I want one. Is it Anchor?
>
I've got two hanging up in me shed, little plastic thingies covering the
lights, even a QC tag on one of them. They are not diesel looms, and there
are a few extra wires which I assume were for convoy/blackout lighting or
some radio gear.

 

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David G. Bell

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #7

On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "tsunami" wrote:

> > Is "young sprocket jockey" related ? Or can he be beaten up with
> > impunity, or, failing that, with a big stick ?
> >
> > What state is the wiring in ? Apart from being unterminated. Are there
> > signs of fire !
> >
> > Steve
>
> No relation just handy (?) neighbour cant find stick big enough....
>
> No signs of any fire or burn out hence dubious about complete re-wire.
> Presently just trying to find a method to sort which wires do what

Tell him that electrics and mechanics are different enough that not
everyone can handle both.

Then tell him he's a clueless pillock.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."

 

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tsunami

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #8

Update:

Grease monkey has now admitted he "was never that good with electrics anyway
!" and returned with a haynes manual to make things better. Thing is the
manual is for petrol not diesel. Should this make a difference or will I be
able to see and work around the differences.

Ordere4d the diesel manual and restoration guide online so just waiting for
them to arrive. Do I need the workshop manual as well.

Apologoies for the deluge of rookie questions, just feeling a little out on
a limb with only a Clueless ape for assistance.

Cheers again
Dave

 

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Steve

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #9

"tsunami" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Update:
>
> Grease monkey has now admitted he "was never that good with electrics
anyway
> !" and returned with a haynes manual to make things better. Thing is the
> manual is for petrol not diesel. Should this make a difference or will I
be
> able to see and work around the differences.
>
> Ordere4d the diesel manual and restoration guide online so just waiting
for
> them to arrive. Do I need the workshop manual as well.
>
> Apologoies for the deluge of rookie questions, just feeling a little out
on
> a limb with only a Clueless ape for assistance.

Two things you need to do:
1. Shoot the clueless ape.
2. Wait for your copy of the diesel book.

The wiring for a diesel isn't really *that* different from a petrol model,
the main lighting in particular is exactly the same. However, there are
differences in the details (e.g. heater plugs instead of ignition coil
circuit) and the way the main key switch is wired up is completely
different. Without labels on the wires you'll have to be careful to get
everything connected to the correct poles of the fuse box and switches.

Oh yes, and always remember that electricity doesn't always flow in the
direction you think it's going to or indeed where you want it to .... and
when it does either of these unexpected tricks, it always flows in far
greater quantities than you would like.

Steve
It's only broke if it starts to smoke.

 

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David G. Bell

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #10

On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "tsunami" wrote:

> Update:
>
> Grease monkey has now admitted he "was never that good with electrics anyway
> !" and returned with a haynes manual to make things better. Thing is the
> manual is for petrol not diesel. Should this make a difference or will I be
> able to see and work around the differences.
>
> Ordere4d the diesel manual and restoration guide online so just waiting for
> them to arrive. Do I need the workshop manual as well.

It fills some gaps in the Haynes coverage.

I think there are places on the net where it can be downloaded. Paper
is better, but you can at least have a look at what is in it.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."

 

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DavidM

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #11

"Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > "Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
> > > suppliers.
> >
> > Name those suppliers! I want one. Is it Anchor?
> >
> I've got two hanging up in me shed, little plastic thingies covering the
> lights, even a QC tag on one of them. They are not diesel looms, and there
> are a few extra wires which I assume were for convoy/blackout lighting or
> some radio gear.

Sounds like a world of pain trying to convert that to diesel. An ex-MOD
diesel loom would be nice.
David

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Jason Hall

Guest

• Aug 20, 2004

• #12

I have all the pdf files of the series 3 workshop manual..

want me to email them to you?

Jason Hall

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""David G. Bell"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thursday, in article <[email protected]>
> [email protected] "tsunami" wrote:
>
> > Update:
> >
> > Grease monkey has now admitted he "was never that good with electrics
anyway
> > !" and returned with a haynes manual to make things better. Thing is the
> > manual is for petrol not diesel. Should this make a difference or will I
be
> > able to see and work around the differences.
> >
> > Ordere4d the diesel manual and restoration guide online so just waiting
for
> > them to arrive. Do I need the workshop manual as well.
>
> It fills some gaps in the Haynes coverage.
>
> I think there are places on the net where it can be downloaded. Paper
> is better, but you can at least have a look at what is in it.
>
> --
> David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.
>
> "History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
> was bitten by a radioactive spider."

 

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Roger Martin

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #13

> "Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
> > suppliers.
>
> Name those suppliers! I want one. Is it Anchor?
>
I've got two hanging up in me shed, little plastic thingies covering the
lights, even a QC tag on one of them. They are not diesel looms, and there
are a few extra wires which I assume were for convoy/blackout lighting or
some radio gear.

 

D

DavidM

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #14

"Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > "Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
> > > suppliers.
> >
> > Name those suppliers! I want one. Is it Anchor?
> >
> I've got two hanging up in me shed, little plastic thingies covering the
> lights, even a QC tag on one of them. They are not diesel looms, and there
> are a few extra wires which I assume were for convoy/blackout lighting or
> some radio gear.

Sounds like a world of pain trying to convert that to diesel. An ex-MOD
diesel loom would be nice.
David

--
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# | |
:===[==¬|====;
[/ \|___|_/ \|
\_/ \_/
DavidM djm81NOSPAMatcam.ac.uk

 

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David G. Bell

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #15

On Wednesday, in article <[email protected]>
[email protected] "tsunami" wrote:

> > Is "young sprocket jockey" related ? Or can he be beaten up with
> > impunity, or, failing that, with a big stick ?
> >
> > What state is the wiring in ? Apart from being unterminated. Are there
> > signs of fire !
> >
> > Steve
>
> No relation just handy (?) neighbour cant find stick big enough....
>
> No signs of any fire or burn out hence dubious about complete re-wire.
> Presently just trying to find a method to sort which wires do what

Tell him that electrics and mechanics are different enough that not
everyone can handle both.

Then tell him he's a clueless pillock.

--
David G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger.

"History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee
was bitten by a radioactive spider."

 

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Steve Taylor

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #16

tsunami wrote:
> So returned to the new project this morning to find young sprocket jockey
> had removed the steering wheel dash and instruments leaving a lovely nest of
> wire.

Is "young sprocket jockey" related ? Or can he be beaten up with
impunity, or, failing that, with a big stick ?

What state is the wiring in ? Apart from being unterminated. Are there
signs of fire !

Steve

 

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Roger Martin

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #17

Not uncommon for the wiring looms to be in a worse state of decay than the
firewall, the maze of wiring is usually caused by someone adding accessories
and cutting into the wiring loom.

There is light at the end of the tunnel though.

A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
suppliers.

There are plenty of wiring diagrams on the Internet - many in colour and
with explanations of the colours used on the wires. The only thing you need
to get over is the schematic of the wiring diagram does not look anything
like the actual loom.

Once you study the loom and the diagram its easy enough to use some sticky
labels to mark the wires for each connection, use a battery and a light to
check continuity if you need to.

 

T

tsunami

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #18

> Is "young sprocket jockey" related ? Or can he be beaten up with
> impunity, or, failing that, with a big stick ?
>
> What state is the wiring in ? Apart from being unterminated. Are there
> signs of fire !
>
> Steve

No relation just handy (?) neighbour cant find stick big enough....

No signs of any fire or burn out hence dubious about complete re-wire.
Presently just trying to find a method to sort which wires do what

 

D

DavidM

Guest

• Aug 18, 2004

• #19

"Roger Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> A new old stock harness can be had from many Land Rover army surplus
> suppliers.

Name those suppliers! I want one. Is it Anchor?

If you enjoyed indoor fireworks before they were made illegal you will enjoy
fiddling with SIII electrics. The puff of smoke and chasing flames are truly
beautiful. Can you get a new loom that incorporates a sensible fuse box?

DavidM

 

T

tsunami

Guest

• Aug 19, 2004

• #20

Update:

Grease monkey has now admitted he "was never that good with electrics anyway
!" and returned with a haynes manual to make things better. Thing is the
manual is for petrol not diesel. Should this make a difference or will I be
able to see and work around the differences.

Ordere4d the diesel manual and restoration guide online so just waiting for
them to arrive. Do I need the workshop manual as well.

Apologoies for the deluge of rookie questions, just feeling a little out on
a limb with only a Clueless ape for assistance.

Cheers again
Dave