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Hi,

any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?

I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the rear,
behind the second row of front facing seats.

The front facing seats all have seatbelts.

Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to carry
children (ages??) on those bench seats?

My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture then
it's okay.

tia
Peter


 

"wireless" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi,
>
> any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?
>
> I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the rear,
> behind the second row of front facing seats.
>
> The front facing seats all have seatbelts.
>
> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to
carry
> children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>
> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture then
> it's okay.
>
> tia
> Peter
>
>

Might be OK, but consider the people you carry !!


 
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 11:00:19 +0100, wireless <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,

How do you do?

> any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?
>
> I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the rear,
> behind the second row of front facing seats.
>
> The front facing seats all have seatbelts.
>
> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to
> carry
> children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>
> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture then
> it's okay.

That was my understanding too - however, the MOT station decided last year
that belts must be fitted - and so they were.

My kids almost invariably travel in the back on the bench seats (without
belts) - the middle row is used for stowage on such trips.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 


>
> That was my understanding too - however, the MOT station decided last year
> that belts must be fitted - and so they were.


AFAIK, rear side bench seats are not a testable item. However at first MoT
they need to be type approved for some reason as it is a 12 seater.
Only forward facing seats are tested.


 
In message <[email protected]>
"wireless" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?
>
> I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the rear,
> behind the second row of front facing seats.
>
> The front facing seats all have seatbelts.
>
> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to carry
> children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>
> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture then
> it's okay.
>
> tia
> Peter
>
>

Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
On or around Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:00:19 +0100, "wireless"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to carry
>children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>
>My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture then
>it's okay.

If you carry children on any organised outing, even volunteer stuff like
scout camps, then side-facing are no longer legal with or without belts.

I think that for private use you're still OK. There is a safety issue,
though, with unbelted passengers in any seat.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Travel The Galaxy! Meet Fascinating Life Forms...
------------------------------------------------\
>> http://www.schlockmercenary.com/ << \ ...and Kill them.
a webcartoon by Howard Tayler; I like it, maybe you will too!
 
On 2006-08-05, wireless <[email protected]> wrote:

> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay
> to carry children (ages??) on those bench seats?

The rear seats will need seatbelts fitting to be legally useable, if a
vehicle is made before 1986 then no seatbelts need to be fitted but in
your case they do.

> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture
> then it's okay.

That's only the case subject to the cut-off date above.

I got this direct from DVLA on 0870 240 0010, who passed me on to the
Construction and Use regulations lot, who passed me straight back then
they passed me onto someone called gareth evans in DVLA who was part
of writing the legislation in the first place, according to him.

Also on the government website, www.open.gov.uk, I found some of this
by hunting around but don't have the URLs any more. It wasn't hard to
find.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
beamendsltd wrote:

>
> Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
> a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
> law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.
>
> Richard

Richard,

I have lapbelts on one side of my 110 (9 seater, so two person bench
seat) and I'm looking for the same for the other side. How much are
they? The "sockets" are mounted on a plate in the middle, and the
"plug" comes from the outside of the bench seat (does that make sense?)

Ta,
Stuart
 
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 10:07:41 GMT, Hirsty's wrote:

> Might be OK, but consider the people you carry !!

Or any belted person in front, crushing such person between their seat
and belt as the unbelted person behind hurtles forward.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 13:53:15 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Sat, 5 Aug 2006 11:00:19 +0100, "wireless"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>
>> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to
>> carry
>> children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>>
>> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture
>> then
>> it's okay.
>
> If you carry children on any organised outing, even volunteer stuff like
> scout camps, then side-facing are no longer legal with or without belts.

Just for children?

> I think that for private use you're still OK. There is a safety issue,
> though, with unbelted passengers in any seat.

This particular safety issue applies to /any/ unsecured load IMO.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
wireless wrote:
> Hi,
>
> any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?
>
> I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the
> rear, behind the second row of front facing seats.
>
> The front facing seats all have seatbelts.
>
> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay
> to carry children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>
> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture
> then it's okay.
>
> tia
> Peter


Side facing and rear facing seats are not required to be fitted with seatbelts
see http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_510.htm

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
On or around Sat, 5 Aug 2006 18:21:07 +0100, "Andy.Smalley"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>wireless wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?
>>
>> I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the
>> rear, behind the second row of front facing seats.
>>
>> The front facing seats all have seatbelts.
>>
>> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay
>> to carry children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>>
>> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture
>> then it's okay.
>>
>> tia
>> Peter
>
>
>Side facing and rear facing seats are not required to be fitted with seatbelts
>see http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_510.htm

for the MOT. there are still restrictions on use, though.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_
I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit
alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957)
 
On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:32:12 +0100, Srtgray wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> beamendsltd wrote:
>
>>
>> Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
>> a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
>> law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.
>>
>> Richard
>
> Richard,
>
> I have lapbelts on one side of my 110 (9 seater, so two person bench
> seat) and I'm looking for the same for the other side. How much are
> they? The "sockets" are mounted on a plate in the middle, and the
> "plug" comes from the outside of the bench seat (does that make sense?)
>
> Ta,
> Stuart

Different question, but similar topic:

Is there an inertia reel fitting/conversion for the centre front seat on a
Defender (1990 90, if it matters)? The manually adjusted belt currently
fitted is a PIA to adjust.

Nick.

 
On 2006-08-05, Andy.Smalley <[email protected]> wrote:

> Side facing and rear facing seats are not required to be fitted with seatbelts
> see http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_510.htm

Phone the DVLA and tell them that then, for a seat to be legally
useable there are further restrictions, and seatbelts do need to be
present in vehicles built after a given date, something like 1989 or
1986.

The MOT test is just an MOT test, it's not a definitive statement that
your car is ready and legal to drive on the road. You can for example
have seats in the back that don't have seatbelts as long as you don't
use them, so you'd get through an MOT but you'd get your collar felt
if you got pulled with a load of passengers in the back.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 

"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:afc5a0514e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> "wireless" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> any url's available to provide a legal answer to the following?
>>
>> I'm getting a 1998 Land Rover 110 which has the bench seats in the rear,
>> behind the second row of front facing seats.
>>
>> The front facing seats all have seatbelts.
>>
>> Q: If there are no seat belts fitted for the bench seats is it okay to
>> carry
>> children (ages??) on those bench seats?
>>
>> My understanding is that if there are no belts fitted at manufacture then
>> it's okay.
>>
>> tia
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
> Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
> a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
> law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.


"Think of the Children"

;-)


--
Andy
He who dies with most toys wins !
www.ashlyn.plus.com


 
On or around Sat, 5 Aug 2006 19:47:42 +0100, Nick Williams
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:32:12 +0100, Srtgray wrote
>(in article <[email protected]>):
>
>> beamendsltd wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
>>> a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
>>> law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>> Richard,
>>
>> I have lapbelts on one side of my 110 (9 seater, so two person bench
>> seat) and I'm looking for the same for the other side. How much are
>> they? The "sockets" are mounted on a plate in the middle, and the
>> "plug" comes from the outside of the bench seat (does that make sense?)
>>
>> Ta,
>> Stuart
>
>Different question, but similar topic:
>
>Is there an inertia reel fitting/conversion for the centre front seat on a
>Defender (1990 90, if it matters)? The manually adjusted belt currently
>fitted is a PIA to adjust.

you can get inertia reel lap belts. dunno if it's feasible to fit 'em to a
90 - you may not have room for the reel.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankind; and
therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee"
John Donne (1571? - 1631) Devotions, XVII
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-08-05, Andy.Smalley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Side facing and rear facing seats are not required to be fitted with
>> seatbelts see http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_510.htm
>
> Phone the DVLA and tell them that then, for a seat to be legally
> useable there are further restrictions, and seatbelts do need to be
> present in vehicles built after a given date, something like 1989 or
> 1986.

31st March 1987 And it only applys to forward facing rear seats

> The MOT test is just an MOT test, it's not a definitive statement that
> your car is ready and legal to drive on the road. You can for example
> have seats in the back that don't have seatbelts

and it will fail if first used after 31st March 1987

> as long as you don't use them, so you'd get through an MOT but you'd get your collar felt
> if you got pulled with a load of passengers in the back.

--
Andy

SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce"
It's big, it's mean it's really, really green


 
"Andy.Smalley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> > The MOT test is just an MOT test, it's not a definitive statement that
> > your car is ready and legal to drive on the road. You can for example
> > have seats in the back that don't have seatbelts
>
> and it will fail if first used after 31st March 1987

Not necessarily, I had a 1991 camper with side facing rear seats that I
added with no belts, this was never even questioned in 8 MOTs.

Greg


 
In message <[email protected]>
Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:

> beamendsltd wrote:
>
> >
> > Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
> > a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
> > law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.
> >
> > Richard
>
> Richard,
>
> I have lapbelts on one side of my 110 (9 seater, so two person bench
> seat) and I'm looking for the same for the other side. How much are
> they? The "sockets" are mounted on a plate in the middle, and the
> "plug" comes from the outside of the bench seat (does that make sense?)
>
> Ta,
> Stuart

Sounds like you need STC8888 - if you mail me I'll get a price on
Monday.

Cheers
Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
In message <[email protected]>
Nick Williams <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sat, 5 Aug 2006 14:32:12 +0100, Srtgray wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
> > beamendsltd wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Childern *have* to have seat belts, and booster cushions if under
> >> a certain hight (even if they are 12 for example). Stupid new
> >> law that has/is about to come into force to raise more revenue.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > I have lapbelts on one side of my 110 (9 seater, so two person bench
> > seat) and I'm looking for the same for the other side. How much are
> > they? The "sockets" are mounted on a plate in the middle, and the
> > "plug" comes from the outside of the bench seat (does that make sense?)
> >
> > Ta,
> > Stuart
>
> Different question, but similar topic:
>
> Is there an inertia reel fitting/conversion for the centre front seat on a
> Defender (1990 90, if it matters)? The manually adjusted belt currently
> fitted is a PIA to adjust.
>
> Nick.
>

Not that I'm aware of.

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Lib Dems - Townies keeping comedy alive
 
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