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Peter

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Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based system
that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
What price human rights and civil liberties now?

Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!

Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!

Peter




 
I doubt if it would be practical in all vehicles due to the electrics, I
suppose there will be a vintage vehicle clause, question is what year the
cut off will be, another point is how will they police it, because if you
don't have it fitted they will no longer know you are there, which will be
very tempting for many I am sure.

If they ever force me to fit one I will fit it inside a Faraday cage :)


--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>
> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>
> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>


 
Peter wrote:

> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.

> What price human rights and civil liberties now?

That's what I've been saying for ages. Unfortunately the average man in
the street does not appreciate just what GPS can do. If he/she was aware
that his/her vehicle could be positioned to within yards and with a
date/time stamp to within seconds they might realise how vulnerable they
become. Would you trust the police and Government with that sort of
information?

I suppose that I'll be forced to abandon my affair with Cherie!
 
In news:[email protected],
Larry <[email protected]> blithered:
> I doubt if it would be practical in all vehicles due to the
> electrics, I suppose there will be a vintage vehicle clause, question
> is what year the cut off will be, another point is how will they
> police it, because if you don't have it fitted they will no longer
> know you are there, which will be very tempting for many I am sure.
>
> If they ever force me to fit one I will fit it inside a Faraday cage
> :)

Seem to recall yer average motor car is a passable Faraday cage!

>
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
>> system that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
>> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements
>> and charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
>> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>>
>> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>>
>> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>>
>> Peter



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"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 

"Peter" wrote
> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
> system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>
> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>
> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>

George Orwell just got the date wrong then!
I wonder if it will say "You are off the registered map" like my car one
does if you go off-road. :)

Interesting that ID Cards will cost us up to £300 each, whether we pay
ourselves or through the tax system we will pay, and then they bring out
this idea which will also cost us probably about the same amount per
vehicle.
All so their business friends can drive around on less congested roads,
charge it to the firm like the congestion charge, and we, the end consumer,
end up paying again on everything we buy.

Living as I do near just about the busiest part of the M25 my motoring Tax
bill will go through the roof. Then if we all start returning to the B roads
chaos will ensue.

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London




 
Gents Hi,

just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS reading
when they are switched on regardless of whether you are using them (speak or
hear)

Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones can be
remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you say even when you
are not speaking through them. They just hear what you say regardless of
condition and status. Only if you remove the battery or the SIM card do they
stop transmitting your voice and location.

Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way???? I am sure you did but
do you realise that what we now discuss in being monitored and filtered for
"strange" and suspicious words?

Take care
Pantelis

"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Peter" wrote
> > Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
> > system
> > that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> > Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> > charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> > What price human rights and civil liberties now?
> >
> > Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
> >
> > Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
> >
>
> George Orwell just got the date wrong then!
> I wonder if it will say "You are off the registered map" like my car one
> does if you go off-road. :)
>
> Interesting that ID Cards will cost us up to £300 each, whether we pay
> ourselves or through the tax system we will pay, and then they bring out
> this idea which will also cost us probably about the same amount per
> vehicle.
> All so their business friends can drive around on less congested roads,
> charge it to the firm like the congestion charge, and we, the end
consumer,
> end up paying again on everything we buy.
>
> Living as I do near just about the busiest part of the M25 my motoring Tax
> bill will go through the roof. Then if we all start returning to the B
roads
> chaos will ensue.
>
> --
> Regards
> Bob
> In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London
>
>
>
>


 
so Pantelis Giamarellos was, like...
>
> Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way???? I am sure you
> did but do you realise that what we now discuss in being monitored
> and filtered for "strange" and suspicious words?
>
Eschelon is a bit "old hat" now. Since 2000 the FBI has used software
called Carnivore, or so I understand. I had assumed that email traffic has
been routinely monitored by the intelligence folks for years. That's why I
never use words like BOMB UZI TERRORIST ANTHRAX AK-47 RICIN SUICIDE MOSQUE
SEMTEX REPUBLICAN PLUTONIUM RED BRIGADE JANE FONDA BAADER-MEINHOF
KALASHNIKOV in my emails or newsgroup postings. Common sense, really.

Oh ****...


--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
On 2005-06-05, Peter <[email protected]> wrote:

> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
> system that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.

A year or so ago one insurance company trialled this idea as a way of
allowing people to pay for insurance depending on how much they drove,
your premiums were calculated from GPS tracking logs. It was
apparently a very popular trial. People will trade their freedom for
simple conveniences any day.

Those who trumpet on about "if you've got nothing to hide" seem to
forget that it's not us who decide what you have to hide and what you
don't.

There'll be a big jump in sales of GPS signal degraders for sure.. It
doesn't take much to swamp a satellite signal so they won't be hard to
make.

--
For every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert
 
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:36:39 +0300, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:

> just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS
> reading when they are switched on

GPS really? I thought the location of mobiles down to segmented base
stations and to some extent signal strength via the TDM timing.

> Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones
> can be remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you
> say even when you are not speaking through them.

> Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way????

Yeah but any terrorist worth their salt is not going to be
communicating in plain text. Plenty of encrpytion methods from fvzcyr
ebgngvba or tvctujuvujpo to complex public key/private key non
repeating systems.

--
Cheers [email protected]
Dave. pam is missing e-mail



 
Dave and Richard Hi,

we can still confuse them but avoiding all the words Richards has proposed
and add a few more such as explosives, riot, Binn, Bush, George, Tony, John,
Iraq, powder and so many more.

Richard thanks also for the proper spelling of Eschelon. I was sure I have
writen it wrong the first time.

Take care
Pantelis


"Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:36:39 +0300, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
>
> > just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS
> > reading when they are switched on
>
> GPS really? I thought the location of mobiles down to segmented base
> stations and to some extent signal strength via the TDM timing.
>
> > Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones
> > can be remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you
> > say even when you are not speaking through them.
>
> > Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way????
>
> Yeah but any terrorist worth their salt is not going to be
> communicating in plain text. Plenty of encrpytion methods from fvzcyr
> ebgngvba or tvctujuvujpo to complex public key/private key non
> repeating systems.
>
> --
> Cheers [email protected]
> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>
>
>


 
How much will they charge me for roaring round and roundmy fav off road
site, I must clock up at least 10 miles going round each time I'm there.
Will it just read thre nearest road?


Tony


"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave and Richard Hi,
>
> we can still confuse them but avoiding all the words Richards has proposed
> and add a few more such as explosives, riot, Binn, Bush, George, Tony,
> John,
> Iraq, powder and so many more.
>
> Richard thanks also for the proper spelling of Eschelon. I was sure I have
> writen it wrong the first time.
>
> Take care
> Pantelis
>
>
> "Dave Liquorice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 20:36:39 +0300, Pantelis Giamarellos wrote:
>>
>> > just remember that most modern mobile phones already give your GPS
>> > reading when they are switched on
>>
>> GPS really? I thought the location of mobiles down to segmented base
>> stations and to some extent signal strength via the TDM timing.
>>
>> > Actually it is known that several Motorola late type mobile phones
>> > can be remotely activated so that "controllers" can hear what you
>> > say even when you are not speaking through them.
>>
>> > Has anyone of you heard about Escelon by the way????
>>
>> Yeah but any terrorist worth their salt is not going to be
>> communicating in plain text. Plenty of encrpytion methods from fvzcyr
>> ebgngvba or tvctujuvujpo to complex public key/private key non
>> repeating systems.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers [email protected]
>> Dave. pam is missing e-mail
>>
>>
>>
>
>


 
Let's not get complacent. This is the biggest threat to our civil liberty
since Hitler!
It won't ease congestion. It's not about congestion. It is population
control. Nothing else.
The contracts have already been awarded for the production of the equipment
and it includes a facility to disable every vehicle to stop population
movements in the event of a major emergency.
Faraday cages won't stop it. Nothing except the will of the population will
stop this.
Think about it. This is serious in the extreme.
Happy Dreams!!!
Peter


 
On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:16:26 +0100, "Peter"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Let's not get complacent. This is the biggest threat to our civil liberty
>since Hitler!
>It won't ease congestion. It's not about congestion. It is population
>control. Nothing else.
>The contracts have already been awarded for the production of the equipment
>and it includes a facility to disable every vehicle to stop population
>movements in the event of a major emergency.
>Faraday cages won't stop it. Nothing except the will of the population will
>stop this.
>Think about it. This is serious in the extreme.
>Happy Dreams!!!
>Peter
>

I look forward to your proof of any of this...


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70
 
If it attaches by wires it can be disabled. I daresay it will become part of
the MOT though to make sure it works at least once a year,

However those sattelites up there are not going to be around for ever and
people who rely on GPS ought to realise that they are vulnerable to
satellite outages.

--
Larry
Series 3 rust and holes


"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Let's not get complacent. This is the biggest threat to our civil liberty
> since Hitler!
> It won't ease congestion. It's not about congestion. It is population
> control. Nothing else.
> The contracts have already been awarded for the production of the
equipment
> and it includes a facility to disable every vehicle to stop population
> movements in the event of a major emergency.
> Faraday cages won't stop it. Nothing except the will of the population
will
> stop this.
> Think about it. This is serious in the extreme.
> Happy Dreams!!!
> Peter
>
>


 

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005 23:16:26 +0100, "Peter"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >Let's not get complacent. This is the biggest threat to our civil liberty
> >since Hitler!
> >It won't ease congestion. It's not about congestion. It is population
> >control. Nothing else.
> >The contracts have already been awarded for the production of the
equipment
> >and it includes a facility to disable every vehicle to stop population
> >movements in the event of a major emergency.
> >Faraday cages won't stop it. Nothing except the will of the population
will
> >stop this.
> >Think about it. This is serious in the extreme.
> >Happy Dreams!!!
> >Peter
> >
>
> I look forward to your proof of any of this...
>
> <snip>
> --
>Peter,
> I will remind you that the computerisation of the MOT test is about 5
years over due and is always being "rolled out" just around the corner, next
month. At present if the babs pull you you up they have absolutely no idea
if your car has an MOT or not. Insurance, yes they can check this, license,
tax, yes mot no. Bearing in mind the quantum lead in complexity between a
database of MOT's and a satellite based , vehicle usage database and
billing system, I would have to say that the chances of introducing a
system that actually works this side of oil running out to be very slim.
Just to also point out that in many European countries there is a bicycle
licensing and registration scheme, and also safety inspections and licencing
for trailers, we have a long way to go yet before the brave new world.
steve the grease



 
"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> If it attaches by wires it can be disabled. I daresay it will become
> part of the MOT though to make sure it works at least once a year,

Quite right. Just heard that the scheme is to be scrapped. Instead, every
driver is to be injected with a micro-chip, similar (but far more
sophisticated) to the one used in dogs.

Tony is having the control panel installed in No. 10 and at the press of a
button he will be able to halt every subject in the kingdom. Everyone will
be tracked by GPS. It will be the end of crime and only the guilty will
have anything to fear.

Everything is to be prohibited, except under licence.

Derry
 
"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Just heard on the news that the government are to set up a GPS based
system
> that tracks every vehicle - Speed - direction - position.
> Enabling instant traffic fines, pinpointing every vehicles movements and
> charging for road use over the entire UK road network.
> What price human rights and civil liberties now?
>
> Next stage - computer chipping of people!!!
>
> Big Brother has arrived - God bless us all!!!
>
> Peter
>

name your source


--
"I won't go into binary counting here. For further information you can
search the Internet, or cut off all but one of your fingers."
-Roger Nichols


 

"Pantelis Giamarellos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Dave and Richard Hi,...
>
>... Richard thanks also for the proper spelling of Eschelon. I was sure I
have
> writen it wrong the first time.

Isn't it Echelon? There is however a company called Eschelon.


 
On 2005-06-05, Pantelis Giamarellos <[email protected]> wrote:
> Richard thanks also for the proper spelling of Eschelon. I was sure I have
> writen it wrong the first time.
>

It's 'echelon' .

-- Pete
 
In article <[email protected]>, Derry
Argue <[email protected]> writes
>"Larry" <[email protected]> wrote in
>news:[email protected]:
>
>> If it attaches by wires it can be disabled. I daresay it will become
>> part of the MOT though to make sure it works at least once a year,
>
>Quite right. Just heard that the scheme is to be scrapped. Instead, every
>driver is to be injected with a micro-chip, similar (but far more
>sophisticated) to the one used in dogs.
>
>Tony is having the control panel installed in No. 10 and at the press of a
>button he will be able to halt every subject in the kingdom. Everyone will
>be tracked by GPS. It will be the end of crime and only the guilty will
>have anything to fear.
>
>Everything is to be prohibited, except under licence.
>
>Derry

Unt al dat ist nixt verboten ist compulsory

(For full effect try saying it in the style of a manic Hitler monotone)

The French and Dutch NO votes are hopefully the beginning of an ordinary
folks rebellion against the arrogance and presumption of those self
important functionaries, empowered by dubious pseudo democratic minority
mandates, who want to pin down, label and control every minute of our
lives. They're simply not to be trusted with so much power!
--
John Lubran
 
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