Re: Satellite spy in every vehicle

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"Peter" <[email protected]> wrote:

> To all the Luddites who poo poo'ed the previous posts:-
>
> On Radio 2 today.
> The editor of CAR Magazine confirmed everything I said about the GPS based
> tracking, charging and monitoring system.
> The system works, the technology is in place. Positioning within 3 metres,
> speed monitoring to within 1 mph. The government are committed to bringing
> the system in. It will allow charging for every journey. Automatic speeding
> fines. Multiple fines on a single journey. 12 points easily racked up in a
> few miles. Position of every vehicle known with the press of a button.
>
> Feel free to bury your heads in the sand while the government removes all
> your civil liberties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no civil liberty issue
there.

You didn't mention the bit about 15 years to introduction, by then
the media will have done the dirty work for the Government (i.e.
the propaganda as used in the anti-smoking, anti-hunting, the
latest anti-shooting, anti 4x4, etc etc) so all the bleeding hearts
will welcome it's introduction.

Being a smoker, having no view on hunting either way except hating
anti's, not having a problem with shooting (on our estate it should
be positively encouraged) and driving a 4x4 all I can say is
tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my pleasures were under
threat, so why should I care about their problems.

Richard
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"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> In message <[email protected]>
> "Peter" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no civil liberty issue
> there.
>
> You didn't mention the bit about 15 years to introduction, by then
> the media will have done the dirty work for the Government (i.e.
> the propaganda as used in the anti-smoking, anti-hunting, the
> latest anti-shooting, anti 4x4, etc etc) so all the bleeding hearts
> will welcome it's introduction.
>
> Being a smoker, having no view on hunting either way except hating
> anti's, not having a problem with shooting (on our estate it should
> be positively encouraged) and driving a 4x4 all I can say is
> tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my pleasures were under
> threat, so why should I care about their problems.
>
> Richard
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done
> Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!!
> Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the road to annoy the Lib Dems

>>>>> "beamendsltd" == beamendsltd <[email protected]> writes:

beamendsltd> Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no
beamendsltd> civil liberty issue there.

It is when you are forced to supply the evidence for your own
conviction.

I refer to the process whereby you have to sign and return the "Notice
of Intended Prosecution" (NIP) to confirm that you were driving.

If you were legally obliged to provide evidence against yourself in a
real trial, you'd get off on the grounds that the evidence
contradicted the European Convention on Human Rights.

beamendsltd> tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my
beamendsltd> pleasures were under threat, so why should I care
beamendsltd> about their problems.

Well, that's exactly the attitude that lead to no-one caring about
your pleasures in the first place. I agree though - even though I'm
about as anti-smoking as you can get without throwing buckets of water
at people, I don't advocate banning it, simply because there are too
many people in this world that want to ban everything they don't like.

While I'm aginst the rigid enforcement of speed limits - it leads to
poor concentration and bad driving - this is a much bigger issue. I
can't see ANYONE being in favour that lets the government track the
whereabouts of every individual in the country. It's only then a
matter of time before this becomes admissable as evidence in court.
And then, as with speeding, it will be up to the registered keeper to
prove that someone else was driving, or they take the rap.

Andy


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In message <[email protected]>
AndyC the WB <[email protected]> wrote:

> >>>>> "beamendsltd" == beamendsltd <[email protected]> writes:
>
> beamendsltd> Being nicked for speeding is breaking the law - no
> beamendsltd> civil liberty issue there.
>
> It is when you are forced to supply the evidence for your own
> conviction.
>
> I refer to the process whereby you have to sign and return the "Notice
> of Intended Prosecution" (NIP) to confirm that you were driving.
>
> If you were legally obliged to provide evidence against yourself in a
> real trial, you'd get off on the grounds that the evidence
> contradicted the European Convention on Human Rights.

Ah the Good 'Old European Convention on Human Rights, an excellent
process for protecting the guilty from the innocent.

>
> beamendsltd> tuff-titty - no one defended my rights when my
> beamendsltd> pleasures were under threat, so why should I care
> beamendsltd> about their problems.
>
> Well, that's exactly the attitude that lead to no-one caring about
> your pleasures in the first place.

That attitude has only come about recently - I have always been
at the front of the queue to defend peoples right to do as they
choose (within society's "norms") - but I've had enough. I'm going to be
stopped from going to the pub (or anywhere else) in three years time,
I'm being told my car is unacceptable, I'm being told where and when
I can drive, I'm being told what colour front door I can have (well,
if I lived in the Peak Park I would), I'm being told what I can
and can't eat, I'm being told what utensils I shold have in my kitchen,
etc etc - so now bugger 'em I say - and when they moan about their
rights being infringed I just laugh - they've got it comming!

>I agree though - even though I'm
> about as anti-smoking as you can get without throwing buckets of water
> at people, I don't advocate banning it, simply because there are too
> many people in this world that want to ban everything they don't like.

But I don't hear you actively defening ones right to make ones
own choices - inactivity is effectively being anti - without wishing to
inclur Goodwins Law, inactivity allowed events in Europe to happen
in the 30's, and is allowing the nanny state to take over here - one is
either a supporter of an individuals rights (and resposibilities) or
not - being selective about which rights to support or not just
opens the back door....

>
> While I'm aginst the rigid enforcement of speed limits - it leads to
> poor concentration and bad driving - this is a much bigger issue. I
> can't see ANYONE being in favour that lets the government track the
> whereabouts of every individual in the country. It's only then a
> matter of time before this becomes admissable as evidence in court.
> And then, as with speeding, it will be up to the registered keeper to
> prove that someone else was driving, or they take the rap.

I've nothing to hide, so no problem. The Goverenment has always
been able to track us, they are just getting faster and more accurate.
Indeed, it has many plusses - if my motor is knicked it would be a lot
easier to find. If I was suspected of being involved in a crime I could
demonstate my whereabouts (or at least that of my car) - equally, if
I wanted to disappear I could just catch a bus (and not use my mobile,
or credit cards!).

>
> Andy
>
>

Richard
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>>>>> "beamendsltd" == beamendsltd <[email protected]> writes:

beamendsltd> That attitude has only come about recently - I have
beamendsltd> always been at the front of the queue to defend
beamendsltd> peoples right to do as they choose (within society's
beamendsltd> "norms") - but I've had enough. I'm going to be
beamendsltd> stopped from going to the pub (or anywhere else) in
beamendsltd> three years time, I'm being told my car is
beamendsltd> unacceptable, I'm being told where and when I can
beamendsltd> drive, I'm being told what colour front door I can
beamendsltd> have (well, if I lived in the Peak Park I would), I'm
beamendsltd> being told what I can and can't eat, I'm being told
beamendsltd> what utensils I shold have in my kitchen, etc etc -
beamendsltd> so now bugger 'em I say - and when they moan about
beamendsltd> their rights being infringed I just laugh - they've
beamendsltd> got it comming!

I'm inclined to agree... it's hard to stick up for anyone else when
you feel rather "put upon" yourself.

beamendsltd> But I don't hear you actively defening ones right to
beamendsltd> make ones own choices - inactivity is effectively
beamendsltd> being anti - without wishing to inclur Goodwins Law,

Well, I usually keep my politics out of these forums, but in every
single instance I've written to my MP in the last 3 years, it's been
about exactly that - whether on the subject of hunting, speed limit
enforcement, pub opening hours, or identity cards. I'm not a
political activist, largely because I think it's a waste of time and
this government in particular are determined to shaft the populace
whatever way they can.

beamendsltd> Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the
beamendsltd> road to annoy the Lib Dems

And well done for that!!!!!

Andy

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