removing 2.25 block without a crane....

Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
about doing a full rebuild on the engine.

If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
> about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>
> If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?

I know 4 of us lifted a v8 on a scaffold pole rather effortlessly then went
to shift a complete 2.25 lump using the same technique.... looked at each
other...then hobbled to the nearest chairs.

I'd go for a crane even stripped of the head.

The last 2.25 I had (from percy) a rolled up scaffold boards with the lad
who bought it in to the back of his 110. Never again!

Thinking ahead you've got to get it back in eventually, so consider buying a
hoist say off eblag, use it then flog it on on eblag after.

Lee

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:06:17 +0100, "Lee_D"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
>> about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>>
>> If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
>> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
>> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?

Depends how full you want your rebuild to be. You can leave the block
in place and remove the head and the sump to replace the
pistons/rings.

I suppose that if you were determined you could lift out the gearbox
(only takes 2 or 3 strong people and isnt too bad) and take out the
crank and bearings with the clock in place?

>I know 4 of us lifted a v8 on a scaffold pole rather effortlessly then went
>to shift a complete 2.25 lump using the same technique.... looked at each
>other...then hobbled to the nearest chairs.

I remember being called round to a mates house years ago to help lift
his 2.25diesel into place.
I think it took about 8 people lifting the scaffold bar and a couple
to roll the chassis under it. Nobody enjoyed it!

>I'd go for a crane even stripped of the head.

As would I - If you dont want to buy one either find someone to borrow
a crane from or hire one. its worth it for the ease!
They arnt overly expensive now if you go for a cheapy (if youre only
going to use it a few times and make sure you stay clear of it just
incase then a cheap one should be fine)

On 2006-04-26, Lee_D <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thinking ahead you've got to get it back in eventually, so consider buying a
> hoist say off eblag, use it then flog it on on eblag after.

Or buy an engine stand, then hire a crane. I ended up buying a
1-tonne folding crane some years ago, ISTR that I paid £400 or so for
it, and have never regretted it despite not using it that much. When
I have used it, it's been worth its weight in gold and has been used
for much more than lifting engines.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

On or around Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:33:27 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
>about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>
>If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
>left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
>length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?

probably. taking the head off makes it considerably lighter...

however, an engine crane is a fine and wonderful thing.

Mine is something like this one

http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101466&ts=24001&id=34358#

and can be used for all manner of things, like lifting the front of a
defender off the deck to fit new roadsprings... Must get some decent
lifting chains for it, though - the ones I have are ancient and marked "13
cwt", so rather underspecified.

We used it to lift the lathe off Steve's 101...
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep."
Robert Frost (1874-1963) from Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening

On 2006-04-27, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> Mine is something like this one
>
> http://www.screwfix.com/app/sfd/cat/pro.jsp?cId=101466&ts=24001&id=34358#

Blimey that's cheap at £190! Mine is;

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107

When I got it, it was about £400 or so. Even now it's still £350.
That's a fair old price difference, and mine only lifts 1 tonne..

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

In message <[email protected]>
Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
> about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>
> If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?
>

Even a bare 2¼ block is only just a one man lift - they are stunningly
heavy. Hiring a crane from a local tool hire place would be a sound
investment - if you lost control while lifting it out the potential
for damage and injury is scary. I once loaded a scrap one onto a
scrappies truck with two of us and we nearly dropped it. Even the
scrappy was looking at his legs thoughfully afterwards..... a
nasty moment.

Richard

--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

Tim Hobbs wrote:
> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
> about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>
> If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?

I did it once alone - young & stupid then, but I used four 44 gallon drums,
two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber
across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the
ute. I hate to think what would have happened if things had tipped over. But
it can be done ...

These days I use a 2 tonne crane, like anyone else with half a mind

Karen

--
"I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
- Slartibartfast

On 2006-04-27, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:

> two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber
> across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the
> ute.

I'm assuming you lifted it with a winch of some kind...

If not, you're beginning to scare me now...

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!

Karen Gallagher wrote:

> I did it once alone - young & stupid then, but I used four 44 gallon drums,
> two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber
> across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the
> ute. I hate to think what would have happened if things had tipped over. But
> it can be done ...

Hmmmm - like me doing Series gearboxes on my own using the same method
when I was younger and stupider.

--
EMB

Tim Hobbs wrote:
> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
> about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>
> If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '03 Volvo V70
> '06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

Tim,

Where in the UK are you?

Cheers

Peter

Go to Machinemart and buy a crane and engine stand, then sell them on Eblag
later.
I bought 1.5 tonne folding crane, balance beam and an engine stand for just
over £200. So far lifted a Peugeot 205 diesel lump and Rover V8 no problems.
Having a balance beam and a crane makes it easy to do those fine adjustments
when removing/fitting. Tried the engine off a pole trick and you have very
little control and it is NO fun.
The added bonus of having this kit is you get lots of new friends!!!

Martin

"Tim Hobbs" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
> about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
>
> If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
> left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
> length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?
>
> --
>
> Tim Hobbs
>
> '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
> '03 Volvo V70
> '06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:14:53 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Blimey that's cheap at £190! Mine is;
>
>http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107


I've one of these if you want to borrow it, Tim.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

I loaded a bare 2 1/4 block into the back of my SWB to take it down to the
tip a couple of weeks ago. I had to slide it up a ramp to get it in - very
scary. I don't know how much they weigh but as far as I was concerned it
was way more than a one (wimpy) man lift. The consequences of getting it
wrong are to grim to think about. Hire or buy a crane.

--
Patrick


"beamendsltd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:8bbfb1e4e%[email protected]...
> In message <[email protected]>
> Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Is this possible? I don't have a crane, and am beginning to think
> > about doing a full rebuild on the engine.
> >
> > If I remove as much as I can with it in the car, how much weight is
> > left? Could a couple of strong six footers manhandle it out on a
> > length of scaffolding and into the back of the pickup?
> >
>
> Even a bare 2¼ block is only just a one man lift - they are stunningly
> heavy. Hiring a crane from a local tool hire place would be a sound
> investment - if you lost control while lifting it out the potential
> for damage and injury is scary. I once loaded a scrap one onto a
> scrappies truck with two of us and we nearly dropped it. Even the
> scrappy was looking at his legs thoughfully afterwards..... a
> nasty moment.
>
> Richard
>
> --
> www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
> RISC-OS - Where have all the good guys gone?
> Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 15:26:52 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:14:53 +0100, Ian Rawlings
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Blimey that's cheap at £190! Mine is;
>>
>>http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107
>
>
>I've one of these if you want to borrow it, Tim.

fan-bloody-tastic... Cheers.

Having spent a day at the Commercial Vehicle show and returned with
lots of tool porn, I've pretty much decided that an exchange head is
the way to go. At least it will be 'known good' and actually no more
expensive than getting the local place to blast mine, skim it, replace
the valve seats etc etc. Especially when you take account of the cost
of another valve spring compressor <glances at large Snap-On catalogue
half-inched off the stand today>...

If that still doesn't fix it, then the block will have to come out and
be rebored or used for an exchange.

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70
'06 Nissan Navara aka "The Truck"

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> <glances at large Snap-On catalogue half-inched off the stand today>

So I guess that tomorrows first job is to apply for a second mortgage
and prepare the divorce papers. ;-)

--
EMB

Patrick Manuel <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny
about:
> I loaded a bare 2 1/4 block into the back of my SWB to take it down
> to the tip a couple of weeks ago. I had to slide it up a ramp to get
> it in - very scary. I don't know how much they weigh but as far as I
> was concerned it was way more than a one (wimpy) man lift. The
> consequences of getting it wrong are to grim to think about. Hire or
> buy a crane.


But don't you get a comfy ride when it's in the back though!

Lee

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 20:53:08 +0100, Tim Hobbs <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>http://www.machinemart.co.uk/product.asp?p=020110140&r=2050&g=107
>>
>>
>>I've one of these if you want to borrow it, Tim.
>
>fan-bloody-tastic... Cheers.

Give me a shout when you want to come and get it - I may also have a
small engine stand free - which makes rebuilding sooo much easier.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:12:54 +1200, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>> <glances at large Snap-On catalogue half-inched off the stand today>
>
>So I guess that tomorrows first job is to apply for a second mortgage
>and prepare the divorce papers. ;-)

Nah, it's /porn/ init, wimmin don't care really. Mind, Charlotte has
insisted I remove the Machine Mart catalogue from the bedroom - along
with various other porn, such as the Merlin Motorsport 2006 catalogue.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 10:51:49 +0100, Ian Rawlings
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On 2006-04-27, Karen Gallagher <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> two either side (one on top of the other) with a decent piece of timber
>> across, lifted the engine, pushed the LR out of the way, lowered it into the
>> ute.
>
>I'm assuming you lifted it with a winch of some kind...
>
>If not, you're beginning to scare me now...

I had improper thoughts but at our age decided it wasn't possible...

AJH