On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:26:04 +0000, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:
>On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:43:27 -0000, "Lee_D"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've never returned one and unlikely to. If I did feel strongly enough to
>>have a overwhelming concern to cast a vote I'd do it in person. I would
>
>It's your democratic right 'not' to, too - but en-masse, it can
>sometimes make it seem that the majority feeling is that members
>simply aren't bothered - and the committee may as well just go buy a
>black helicopter and enjoy the remaining time they have smuggling
>cheap fags and having extended holidaze in the Carribean...
(firstly - I'm not sure how well what im trying to say is going to
come across here. I'm fairly crap at articulating myself!. Its not my
intention to annoy or offend!)
You talk about the AGM like you are the only club or group that has
trouble getting people to turn up for anything official!.
I thought it was the same with anything voluntary?
I've done some time as a voluntary commitee member (this was with a
scout group). Mention the words 'AGM' and nobody wants to know. It
doesnt mean that they dont care about the entitity itself though!.
I like to think that I'm showing my support of the club by joining
(and paying to do so). I enjoy reading the mag too.
Yes the cheaper insurance and access to parts is also a benefit - but
since the club publish these benefits to would-be members you can't
really blame people for joining for them.
Like Lee says - I dont feel particularily personally attached to the
commitee - I dont know how well most of the people are doing their
job, so i dont see that my vote for or against them would mean much?
I can show support for the club by joining it (in my mind). Ask me to
sign a form which said 'thanks for everything i appreciate it' and
send it to the club and i'd see much more point in it.
>Toms comment (and don't get me wrong, I like Tom and hope this doesn't
>seem like a poke) was that if it were possible to do so online he
>would, whereas he doesn't by the current means...
It just seems like you saying what you believe in, which is fine by
me!. I know what i'm trying to get at even if i can't manage to get it
across in words.
I'm not the most organised person and i'm usually fairly busy. To me
personally having to send a letter or a fax is a pain. Email/online
isnt - thats the only reason i suggested it.
I actually filled out the proxy form last year. I then carried it
around meaning to send it by fax when i got chance (The only fax i had
access to is in one of the places i work at and only really at limited
times of day) and i never got the chance.
Im not trying to make excuses here i'm just trying to make the point
that to me online stuff is easier and is why i try to do as much as i
can over the net. I have to spend most of my day sitting in rooms full
of computers - often waiting for them to finish doing things, so have
lots of chance to do online stuff!
>>hazard a guess many people don't actually understand or care to understand
>>the underlying politics of the groups set up, few will be able to put names
>
>Again, whether 'they' know or not isn't an issue - it's about the
>active management by true mandate of the broader membership. As it
>stands, the committee are empowered to do whatever we feel fit with
>60K GBP each year with the mandate of less than 3 percent of the
>membership - even Tony B Liar couldn't claim to have the support of
>his cabinet with that perventage - let alone run the country...
Ok - I see your point here. A bit of me thinks that I get enough
'value' out of the money i have put into the club though.
>Now, a couple of hypothetical proposals that can go through on the nod
>because nobody notices or cares:
>
>1. The club will offer a 50 percent discount on spares ONLY to members
>who own totally original vehicles.
>
>2. The club presence at shows will ONLY consist of 100 percent
>totally original vehicles.
Then i might not renew my 'support' of the club next year (though
having someone sensible vote would probably be more sensible).
>>to faces or be aware of if an individual is likely to be any better than the
>>next person at a particular role. Of the two people I actually know well
>>enough to say, "Yes I'd vote for them, they have done a good job", they have
>>openly stated they want to stand down from their posts which kind of leaves
>>me in a quandry IYSWIM,
>
>Not really. I'm one of those I suspect - but I _am_ standing whatever
>I'd _like_ to do, for the benefit of the club. Don't I deserve 21p
>and 30 seconds of your time?
I think you have pretty much won me over about why i should vote. My
desire for a web based voting system still stands though. Why should
it matter how the voting is done if it gets done?
If i was to manage to get to a fax machine tommorrow could i fax off a
handwritten proxy vote form (following the format of last years) or is
it too late by then?
