Power steering to a early 90

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Good evening all.
Splendid news. The adapted part arrived back today from anglia hose. Good job. This was fitted within the hour.
Success


I am so happy. It drives a. Blinking dream.

Lr parts were very helpful in getting the bits together. Thank you
 
Nice one, so glad you got it all sorted out successfully :)

Has the Boss tried the Landy out yet ?

Is she happy with the Steering now ? :)
 
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I am so happy.
Just a small thing but it means a lot. I didn’t Test the steering but just let my lady have the first drive.
I got a double flash of the headlights and a and double thumbs up.
There is no wandering and it turns so easy I am astounded.
Big smile emoji.
 
Good evening Dave. sorry to do this to you.
my landy had to be recovered. after 2 hours of staring at the broken vehicle I removed the head.
a broken push rod. And 3 other bent ones.
is there a more serious problem. All the pots look really good. No bad oil leaks. Haemorrhage. I haven’t checked the cam belt as I only changed it 3 weeks ago.
could it be just age There are scrapes on the side of the push rod that broke. So could it just be a time thing. And sheer bad luck. Have you any suggestions I can do before I put it back together again.
 
Wow :(

I'm assuming this is either a 200 TDI or 300 TDI ? .................

I am not that familiar with these Engines these days despite having had 2 of each in Discovery 1's but that was a helluva long while ago, but I do vaguely remember changing Cam Belts pro actively on them ...................
Be patient with me as I'm not certain I remember exactly what the Belt drives nowadays, but any Diesel with a Camshaft driven by Belt that had broken valve operating parts like Pushrods, Rockers etc etc I would suspect a broken Cam Belt ;)

If it's not that possibly the Rockers were so loose Tappet adjustment wise that they all jumped out ? (doesn't seem that likely to me, 1, perhaps 2 but not 4)

As you have the Head off look to see if there is there any small tell tale marks on the Valves or Pistons on the ones that have broken / bent Pushrods ?
If it is a busted Belt, check that the Valves aren't bent by pouring petrol down the Ports to see if it runs outta the Valve Heads in Combustion Chamber ;)
If you don't do that you could rebuild it with a new Belt(s ??) and find it runs on 3 or lack of power due to low Compressions ;)

I'm fairly new here so don't really know who's who, but @Stanleysteamer , @ronsealdeath and @Interceptorxj seem to be very knowledgeable and have been very helpful to me on here, (big thanks guys), with a TD5 Engine issue etc, perhaps if they see this they may be able to confirm or refute my broken Cam Belt theory / ramblings above ;)

HTH :)
 
Thanks Dave. Nice to hear from you. I am gonna get the cover off today and see if the belt has moved.
I am totally gutted. I will send a pic of the broken rod. It has a rub-mark on the side of the rod. Does this mean it was bent for a while. Or the rub happened during the trauma. ?
 

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No idea really could be either, but the important thing is you get that Belt Timing spot on and check all the items myself and the others in the other thread suggested.
Not a moan, nothing to do with me at all, but I say this on other Forums which I moderate, 2 threads on the same subject gets very confusing and painful ;) ;) ;)

EDIT .............. Ah I see the mods have moved it / merged it :thumbsup:
 
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Dave2302 said:
No idea really could be either, but the important thing is you get that Belt Timing spot on and check all the items myself and the others in the other thread suggested.
Not a moan, nothing to do with me at all, but I say this on other Forums which I moderate, 2 threads on the same subject gets very confusing and painful ;) ;) ;)

EDIT .............. Ah I see the mode have moved it / merged it :thumbsup:
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We were all new once Paul, certainly not a problem here, I doubt it is with the others either, and thanks for the comment ;)
Forums normally work so that all regular members on a Forum can see all of each others threads / posts, other Forums have a private section for Staff to discuss stuff, i expect this one does as well :)

To speak with just a single or sometimes a few Members some Forums have a PM (private message) facility, not sure if Landy Zone does, I've not looked ;)

EDIT:- Yes there is an envelope icon for private messaging in top right of screen ;)
Now personally I don't answer techie questions via PM's I would rather answer them in a Forum Post so everyone can benefit from the time taken to answer questions ;)

i'm sure we are all just trying to let you know the best way to get a flow of good answers is to post questions in a single thread in the relevant vehicle Section i.e. in this case " Defender 90 / 110 / 130 " ;)
When that thread / questions are done then if the problem resurfaces, return to that thread, if a different problem then start a new thread ;)

Now all that said I have gone well off topic, hope I'm not on the naughty step ;)
Also I hope I'm not speaking outta turn here, as I am a relative noob here, but that is how it works on other Car Forums I frequent and on the one I Mod.
Grovel Grovel ............. Landy Zone seems to me to have great guys and is a nice relaxed place to be :) :) :)

Everyone seems to agree on this issue, so get yer spanners out and check that Cam Belt Timing :D :D :D
 
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Yeah. Appreciate that. Your a bloody star.

I will remove the timing cover a d have a peak. Ran out of time today. Outlaws over and a barbecue before the summer disappears for good. Ha ha
I am still suspicious that this was a catalogue of disaster waiting to happen. rhe push rod that broke. Seems to be very dubious. When I look at the break. It is shiny on half the diameter.and a shear break on the other half. Surely they cannot break in two and have different metal characteristics I am no physics genius but I am still whining on the damage was there when I bought it. Bent I reckon. As the head has been off and there is quite a lot of silicone. Perhaps there has been something. Rod was bent. And then snapped due to my over enthusiastic driving style. I dunno. I’ll see. When I take a peak. Some of you are gonna bet on the timing jumping off.
I will let you know ASAP.
You don’t have to reply to this message. I am just sounding off. Reply later. Have a good one. And. All
 
Dave2302 said:
We were all new once Paul, certainly not a problem here, I doubt it is with the others either, and thanks for the comment ;)
Forums normally work so that all regular members on a Forum can see all of each others threads / posts, other Forums have a private section for Staff to discuss stuff, i expect this one does as well :)

To speak with just a single or sometimes a few Members some Forums have a PM (private message) facility, not sure if Landy Zone does, I've not looked ;)

EDIT:- Yes there is an envelope icon for private messaging in top right of screen ;)
Now personally I don't answer techie questions via PM's I would rather answer them in a Forum Post so everyone can benefit from the time taken to answer questions ;)

i'm sure we are all just trying to let you know the best way to get a flow of good answers is to post questions in a single thread in the relevant vehicle Section i.e. in this case " Defender 90 / 110 / 130 " ;)
When that thread / questions are done then if the problem resurfaces, return to that thread, if a different problem then start a new thread ;)

Now all that said I have gone well off topic, hope I'm not on the naughty step ;)
Also I hope I'm not speaking outta turn here, as I am a relative noob here, but that is how it works on other Car Forums I frequent and on the one I Mod.
Grovel Grovel ............. Landy Zone seems to me to have great guys and is a nice relaxed place to be :) :) :)

Everyone seems to agree on this issue, so get yer spanners out and check that Cam Belt Timing :D :D :D
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LZ is pretty different to other forae. Or so I have been told, I have never looked at any of them, and no intention of doing so.
 
paul griggs said:
Yeah. Sorry guys. I thought I was replying to a individual. Not a group. I’m new at this Never joined a forum before. apologies
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If you want to reply to an individual in public, use the Reply function. They will know you are talking to them, but everyone else can see it.

If you want to reply to an individual in private, PM them.

If you want to talk to just LZ members, without everyone in the world being able to see it, post in AG.
 
Ok. Ta. I tried for ages. But every time I tried to start a new topic it would only allow me to talk to the persons in my group. Which I didn’t have. The only person I was talking to was Dave. Which is why I thought I was Only talking to him.
when I discovered the post new thread I thought this was the route I should’ve been taking.
Yeah. Sorry again. I’ll get there.
 
paul griggs said:
Ok. Ta. I tried for ages. But every time I tried to start a new topic it would only allow me to talk to the persons in my group. Which I didn’t have. The only person I was talking to was Dave. Which is why I thought I was Only talking to him.
when I discovered the post new thread I thought this was the route I should’ve been taking.
Yeah. Sorry again. I’ll get there.
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It isn't a problem. Plenty of multiple threads, although they are not optimal.

But it would be a good idea to keep the power steering issue, which seems to have been resolved anyway, in a separate thread to the pushrod issue.

I would also suggest ignoring all posts that seem to refer to Tdi engines, and Defenders.
As you stated accurately in the other thread, what you have is a 19j engined Land Rover Ninety.
 
Turboman said:
I would also suggest ignoring all posts that seem to refer to Tdi engines, and Defenders.
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I'm no Series / Defender numbering expert especially regarding Model designations and exact Engine fitted etc, hence in my earlier advice I did say I assumed a TDI, (obviously a wrong assumption) !!
However I am a 59 year old professional garage business owner who has owned a fair few Range Rovers, Discos and one TD5 Defender as well as working with and and owning a huge variety of different marques during my 45 years in the motor trade ;)

From a mechanical point of view, 19j and TDI are both pushrod turbo diesel engines with the camshaft driven by a toothed belt, therefore the advice in my reply to this thread is valid because whilst there are many differences between the 2 engines such as cast iron or aluminium head etc etc its basic mechanical operating system is still very likely to bend / break Valvetrain components such as Pushrods if the Cam goes outta synch with the Crank due to the Timing Belt jumping or breaking etc.
 
Just done it. All the marks line up
 

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OK, that's not good news in a way, because we don't have a definitive answer as to why it bent the Pushrods :(

Did you find any small marks on the Valves or Pistons to indicate they had contacted each other ?

What is needed now is to check and see if perhaps a sprocket has moved on it's shaft i.e. Crank or Cam sprocket has sheared it's locating device (woodruff key, pin etc) ????? I don't know what locates them not at all familiar with this 19J Engine so I'm just trying to help you with knowledge of other Engines ;)

Here is how to do a quick Crank / Cam synchronisation check ........

Turn the engine so numbers 1 and 4 cylinders are 2/3rds up their Bores at tdc, now insert the good 4 pushrods into the Cam Followers of Cyls 1 & 4, and get an assistant to turn the Engine slowly up to TDC 1 & 4, whilst you use a hand on each pair pressing down on them, as the Pistons come up, Ex Valve should be closing, when you get almost at and just past TDC that one pair of pushrods should be "rocking" i.e Exhaust Valve would be almost closed and intake valve just starting to open ............. The opposite cylinder to that one will be firing so both pushrods should be right at their lowest point, in other words both Valves would be closed ;)

Check that next, the last thing you want to do is put it all back together and bend more pushrods ;)

Unless of course someone with good knowledge of 19J Engine, in other words better knowledge than my "generic advice" can tell us a good reason why they would have bent and what / where else to look at ;)

HTH, Cheers D
 
Thanks for your answer. I still swear that the damage to this engine was there before.
the push rod that snapped had a shear mark theough 50per cent. The other half sappped 3 mm further up the same shaft. One half had a rough and grainy texture. The other half was shiny As if it was making contact for some time and polishing. Only micro mm movement but it was def shiny. Perhaps it was just gonna happen. Perhaps someone who looked at the head earlier in its years either turned it wrong. Wouldn’t start so re timed. And some damage occurred during start up. Not a clue. Just grabbing straws. there are no signs of contact on any of the valves or pistons. There is a lot of soot on both surfaces with no new metal on show I am removing the valves tomorrow when I purchase a new valve clamp. Can’t find my old one.
then let’s see if any valve damage. By my first inspection they are tip top.
Sony again continues. I will do the heck’s you recommend. I have had a visual and all the brass thingy followers rise and fall.
So let’s do some more Sherlock I will text later. thanks again.
 
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