Power steering conversion

1992 90 manual steering, any massive probs I will encounter if I source power steering pump, box and pipes from scrappy. Disco easier to find and cheaper, but will it fit defender??
engine being swapped for a 200tdi in a couple of weeks, so pump wont be a problem.
Any advice??

Yes Disco will fit Defender, mine has just been done. My donor vehicle was a Disco 200TDi

was it a straight forward bolt in job?, or did you have to fork out for someone else to shoe it in?

I just had it done by the place who were rebuilding my Landy, speaking to other people who've done it though it seems a fairly straight forward bolt in job.

itl leak like fook and you dnt need it.

there you go!

I dnt have it, and ive jus put a smaller wheel on, and its fine.

And no, i dnt have arms like popeye.

Aye.... Only poofs need Power Steering!

boydy1989 said:

itl leak like fook and you dnt need it.

there you go!

I dnt have it, and ive jus put a smaller wheel on, and its fine.

And no, i dnt have arms like popeye.

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Er, a smaller wheel will make the steering heavier...

fook me thats where im going wrong...

i was saying that you dont need power steering, even with a smaller wheel.

maybe i should have been clearer...

Aye - if you steer properly you don't need it.

Think how much effort you need to put into dry steering, now if you put PAS on it will do it effortlessly however all the steering components (ball join't etc) are getting horsed - bad for things!

discomania said:

Aye - if you steer properly you don't need it.

Think how much effort you need to put into dry steering, now if you put PAS on it will do it effortlessly however all the steering components (ball join't etc) are getting horsed - bad for things!

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Please explain how a PAS puts more force into moving the steering than a navvy ont steering wheel? Shirley as soon as the force applied overcomes the resistance of the steering and tyres, then the steering will move?

The Mad Hat Man said:

Please explain how a PAS puts more force into moving the steering than a navvy ont steering wheel? Shirley as soon as the force applied overcomes the resistance of the steering and tyres, then the steering will move?

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In terms of bad steering it does - obviously under normal driving then everything is the same from the drop arm onwards.

If I try to dry steer my 90 I feel as if the steering column is going to tear off - so I just don't do it.

If you turn the steering wheel on a manual vehicle without the vehicle moving the steering (more so on larger vehicles) will require a bit of horsing to go from say lock to lock on solid ground right - so much so that you would probably just make sure you do your steering when you are meant too; with the vehicle moving. e.g. 3 point turn get your wheels facing the right way before you stop ready for the next part of the turn etc...

If you have PAS fitted - a 5 year old could turn it from lock to lock quicker than you can say "manual steering box".

So the PAS has taken all the hard work out of turning the wheel, but it's only hard work because you are not moving and the resistance from the tyres is high. So the PAS box is now horsing the drop arm, drop arm ball joint, drag link end, track rod end's... even more so because of the speed at which you can do it with PAS fitted.

It must still take the same force on the steering components. Yu could argue that without the engine running, PAS takes more input from the driver.

Nah because I bet your average driver can't move the manual steering as fast as a PAS system - also I bet you're more likely to dry steer if you have PAS because it's easy and you might not even realise you are doing it.

All I am saying is - if you feel you need PAS fitted then the answer to the question: Do dry steer it? is usually yes, thats why they decide they need PAS so they can sit there and spin away like a school run mum.

I agree that it is easier to "dry steer" as yu put it, but to suggest that peeps only want PAS to do that is a bit unfair. Particularly as a retrofit on a land rover. I would suggest it is more for low speed steering than steering whilst parked. If it is for poor driving practice - then the owner will have to pay for more frequent steering repairs - in the same way that anyone who lifts their vehicle has to understand the implications of, prospectively, far more frequent UJ replacement and poorer high speed???? Handling.

Dry steer is the official term!

Anyhoo I have to go sand the 90's new door down - MIGHT GET IT FITTED OVER THE HOLIDAY!!!

Hee hee - still waiting for brekkie in bed

The Mad Hat Man said:

Hee hee - still waiting for brekkie in bed

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WOT !!
you not getting G to run round after you again are ya !!
do i take it your then fit to do welderising after brekky then

nar - its damp outside and yu wouldnt want to exacerbate the rheumatism, lumbago and arthritis - wud ya? I leave that for yu youngsters. Am taking the plugs out of the '40 and doing a compression test.

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nar - its damp outside and yu wouldnt want to exacerbate the rheumatism, lumbago and arthritis - wud ya? I leave that for yu youngsters. Am taking the plugs out of the '40 and doing a compression test.

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tis a loverly sunny day down ere so am going to get pikey to earn his keep
hes going to service me landy that should pay for the sunday roast of mine he eat last weekend

It's a cracking day up here - got the door sanded down and acid etch primed!

Might even get the white primer on later...

Oh and it's BBQ tonight so I have a reason to be footering about outside! Now where did I put that new water pump...