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On 7-Oct-2006, Duracell Bunny <[email protected]> wrote:

> then spend their entire life bleating about how things
> >> at 'home' are different


if they have emigrated to NZ or Australia, then that is their home, not
blighty - blighty is their country of birth (which no-one can really
forget). It is their choice to emigrate whether it be through work or
family or even just a change of scenery so they should either accept the
new way of life or pack up and move on. I've lived in several countries in
Europe and for a while in Canada and there are always brits who moan about
the place yet when i say they should go home if they don't like it then
there's all the usual but..but..but.. - But strangely enough, i've never
actually met anyone from down under who moans about life elsewhere? is this
the norm or do you all just let the brits whinge on?

Live and let live and don't upset the natives. This is my opinion and its
worked so far


now have you counted your spanners?

Cheers
Wolfie
 
SimonJ wrote:
>>>> I've bought stuff from Beamends, and the service was good.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm well ****ed off with the incessant 'Ping Beamends' threads
>>>> on alt.fan. He has a perfectly functional website and on-line
>>>> shop, so why don't people use it?
>>>>
>>>> Off rant, but be warned I shall insert exceptionally strong
>>>> profanity into all Ping Beamends threads forthwith.
>>>>
>>> You do have a very good point, a newsgroup is not the place to post
>>> shopping lists to dealers, Richard posts him url and email in his
>>> sig, anyone wanting to buy parts should do it via one of those.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you had raised your point in a more positive fashion,
>>> you would have got more positive replies.

>>
>> Just killfile any posts with beamends in the header??????????
>>

> That would be one way round it, but you shouldn't need to.
>
> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
> for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
> Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and is
> irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.


Don't you just love net-nazis?

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If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

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SimonJ wrote:
>>>> I've bought stuff from Beamends, and the service was good.
>>>>
>>>> But I'm well ****ed off with the incessant 'Ping Beamends'
>>>> threads on alt.fan. He has a perfectly functional website and
>>>> on-line shop, so why don't people use it?
>>>>
>>>> Off rant, but be warned I shall insert exceptionally strong
>>>> profanity into all Ping Beamends threads forthwith.
>>>>
>>> You do have a very good point, a newsgroup is not the place to
>>> post shopping lists to dealers, Richard posts him url and email
>>> in his sig, anyone wanting to buy parts should do it via one of
>>> those. Perhaps if you had raised your point in a more positive fashion,
>>> you would have got more positive replies.

>>
>> Just killfile any posts with beamends in the header??????????
>>

> That would be one way round it, but you shouldn't need to.
>
> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
> for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
> Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and
> is irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.


Sorry, thats utter crap & you know it.

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Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
On 2006-10-07, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

>> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
>> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
>> for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
>> Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and
>> is irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.

>
> Sorry, thats utter crap & you know it.


While I don't mind shopping lists in the group, he is right Nige, it's
not "utter crap", just "grumpy crap" ;-)

ISTR you and Richard having trouble getting email backwards and
forwards, hence your posting of shopping lists in the group, I don't
think that's entirely unreasonable.

Perhaps Richard could install a proper OS with a decent email client?
hehehe...

/me runs like fook...

--
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Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-10-07, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
>>> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
>>> for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
>>> Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and
>>> is irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.

>>
>> Sorry, thats utter crap & you know it.

>
> While I don't mind shopping lists in the group, he is right Nige, it's
> not "utter crap", just "grumpy crap" ;-)
>
> ISTR you and Richard having trouble getting email backwards and
> forwards, hence your posting of shopping lists in the group, I don't
> think that's entirely unreasonable.
>
> Perhaps Richard could install a proper OS with a decent email client?
> hehehe...
>
> /me runs like fook...


You can run but you can't hide!

--
Don't say it cannot be done, rather what is needed to do it!

If the answer is offensive maybe the question was inappropriate

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On 2006-10-07, GbH <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Perhaps Richard could install a proper OS with a decent email client?
>> hehehe...
>>
>> /me runs like fook...

>
> You can run but you can't hide!


I have a spare Mac OS X install he could try, I certainly don't want to use it!

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-10-07, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
>>> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a
>>> question for a specific person, then contact that person direct,
>>> off group. Someone's shopping list does not need to be public
>>> knowledge, and is irrelevant to the group. That's what email is
>>> for.

>>
>> Sorry, thats utter crap & you know it.

>
> While I don't mind shopping lists in the group, he is right Nige,
> it's not "utter crap", just "grumpy crap" ;-)
>
> ISTR you and Richard having trouble getting email backwards and
> forwards, hence your posting of shopping lists in the group, I don't
> think that's entirely unreasonable.
>
> Perhaps Richard could install a proper OS with a decent email
> client? hehehe...
>
> /me runs like fook...


Gloves are off! To be honest, i find some of the post very informative & if i dont have the vehicle
mentioned I dont read the post!

This is a community, not a heirachy, one mans mustard is another mans sore cock if you know what i mean!

As long as the place isnt full of retards & trolls (thank feck its not) then most things are Ok by me.


--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
On 2006-10-07, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

> Gloves are off! To be honest, i find some of the post very
> informative & if i dont have the vehicle mentioned I dont read the
> post!


Do bear in mind Nige that this is a strictly technical discussion, the
chap said that usenet is about broadcasting views to many people and
not intended for one-to-one private communication of no interest to
anyone other than two people, that's accurate, and can't be argued
against. It's like the difference between whispering sweet nothings
to your partner via a mobile phone or a megaphone.

However I suspect that perhaps he's not noticed that you usually
preface your beamends shopping lists with grumbles about not being
able to email him, so this is the easiest means to contact him for
you.

> This is a community, not a heirachy, one mans mustard is another
> mans sore cock if you know what i mean!


I've not quite heard that twist before!

> As long as the place isnt full of retards & trolls (thank feck its
> not) then most things are Ok by me.


I've been posting to lots of usenet groups since 1991, over that time
period it seems to me that the main reason it's not full of retards
and trolls is because it's in the uk heirarchy, yank-dominated groups
are appauling, only the uk.legal heirarchy comes close!

What happens when you try to email Richard BTW?

Oh and I'm not suggesting that you're trying to whisper sweet nothings
to Richard ;-)

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:54:44 +0100, Ian Rawlings <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 2006-10-07, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:


>> ...
>> This is a community, not a heirachy, one mans mustard is another
>> mans sore cock if you know what i mean!

>
> I've not quite heard that twist before!


mustard and twist - and this is only the pre-initiation ceremony

Welcome to a.f.l.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
William Tasso wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 19:54:44 +0100, Ian Rawlings
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2006-10-07, Nige <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>>> ...
>>> This is a community, not a heirachy, one mans mustard is another
>>> mans sore cock if you know what i mean!

>>
>> I've not quite heard that twist before!

>
> mustard and twist - and this is only the pre-initiation ceremony
>
> Welcome to a.f.l.


exactly

--
Ta!

Nige

Subaru WRX (54)
Land Rover Turbo Diesel 110 (G)
KTM 520 SX (2001)
Kawasaki ZZR 1100 (1995)


 
>> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
>> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
>> for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
>> Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and
>> is irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.

>
> Sorry, thats utter crap & you know it.
>

Ok, so which bit of it is utter crap?

The fact that if you want to communicate a message to one particular person,
then you should use email?
The fact that if you want to broadcast a message to a group of similar
minded people you should use a newsgroup?
The fact that your shopping list of parts is irrelevant to anyone else who
sees the newsgroup?

It all seems pretty straightforward to me.


 
SimonJ wrote:

>
> That would be one way round it, but you shouldn't need to.
>
> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart information
> to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question for a specific
> person, then contact that person direct, off group. Someone's shopping list
> does not need to be public knowledge, and is irrelevant to the group. That's
> what email is for.
>
>


Actually, some people's personal shopping lists have been really useful
to ME (YMMV), so that I can get an idea of the scale of a task before I
consider it.

Stuart
 
SimonJ wrote:

|| The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
|| information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
|| for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
|| Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and is
|| irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.

I would tend to agree with this. I've done quite a lot of business with
Richard over the last couple of years, and it's all been off-group, via his
website, email or the phone. I think that's how it should be - the
newsgroup is for the group, and stuff between two people (shopping lists,
romances, arguments) generally should be taken to email when it stops being
of interest to the group as a whole.

If someone has a specific problem with contacting someone, that's what the
*ping* is for, but when contact is established I think it should go
off-group. I'm not going to criticise anyone for doing this in the past,
but it shouldn't become a habit.

--
Rich
==============================

Take out the obvious to email me.


 
In message <[email protected]>
Srtgray <[email protected]> wrote:

>SimonJ wrote:
>
>>
>> That would be one way round it, but you shouldn't need to.
>>
>> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
>> information to, anybody who reads the group. If you have a question
>> for a specific person, then contact that person direct, off group.
>> Someone's shopping list does not need to be public knowledge, and is
>> irrelevant to the group. That's what email is for.
>>
>>

>
>Actually, some people's personal shopping lists have been really useful
>to ME (YMMV), so that I can get an idea of the scale of a task before I
>consider it.
>
>Stuart


I use the same OS and software as Richard does and I'm also guilty of
posting requests and shopping lists here rather than email privately,
I'd always thought if its *Land Rover* related then its ok, Its not that
we have that much traffic on aflr these days.

Steve.


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Srtgray <[email protected]> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>
> Actually, some people's personal shopping lists have been really
> useful to ME (YMMV), so that I can get an idea of the scale of a task
> before I consider it.
>
> Stuart


I've found it can often end up with a revised list once raised, sort of
having a guy at the parts desk saying "Nah, you don't want to do it like
that".

With the amount of none landrover related stuff here abouts I'm surprised
someone went to the trouble of registering a google groups account purely to
take a pop on this one subject for which the OP has no other posts what so
ever listed on google groups.... which leads me further to go so far as to
suggest that if the OP doesn't actually contribute then they should FRO and
stop moaning. I guess who ever it is that if they are a regular contibutor
then they themseleves are guiltly of fragrant breaches of Nanny net law
otherwise they would have had the balls to post under there own name.

FFS!

Lee D


 
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 22:59:19 +0100, Lee_D
<[email protected]> wrote:

> ...
> With the amount of none landrover related stuff here abouts I'm surprised
> someone went to the trouble of registering a google groups account
> purely to
> take a pop on this one subject for which the OP has no other posts what
> so
> ever listed on google groups.... which leads me further to go so far as
> to
> suggest that if the OP doesn't actually contribute then they should FRO
> and
> stop moaning. I guess who ever it is that if they are a regular
> contibutor


No longer have the o/p here - does the posting ip give any clue?

> then they themseleves are guiltly of fragrant breaches of Nanny net law
> otherwise they would have had the balls to post under there own name.


you sniff a puppet?

-
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
In message <[email protected]>
"William Tasso" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> With the amount of none landrover related stuff here abouts I'm
>> surprised someone went to the trouble of registering a google groups


>No longer have the o/p here - does the posting ip give any clue?
>


The start of the thread can be seen here:

http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f31/

Steve.


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On or around Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:03:30 +0100, "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>>

>That would be one way round it, but you shouldn't need to.


says who?
>
>The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart information
>to, anybody who reads the group.


says who?

and besides, sometimes the information is of interest: suppose someone asks
whether Beamends can supply a certain part, and if so at what price. It
might well prove that other people will be interested in the answer. For
example, I've often noted the answer to a question about a particular part,
and thereby saved both my time and Richard's time by not having to ask the
same question again.

Granted, Richard has a website, and as such things go it's quite good, but
it can still be difficult to find particular parts, especially if you don't
happen to know either the part number or the "correct" name.

>If you have a question for a specific
>person, then contact that person direct, off group. Someone's shopping list
>does not need to be public knowledge, and is irrelevant to the group. That's
>what email is for.


and if email isn't working for some reason?

Newsgroups are "for" whatever the people using the group want them to be
"for". If you don't like a particular aspect, you have choices including
ignoring it, killing threads, filtering on subject or poster, or even not
bothering to read the group at all.

You don't have the right to prevent people from posting things which are
relevant to the group but which you don't happen to like - and you'd have a
hard time convincing anyone, even if there were anyone to convince, that
questions about LR parts are off-topic in AFL. Come to that, you can't, in
any case, prevent people posting etc., as innumerable trolls often prove.

In the case in question, the threads are almost always clearly identifiable
by subject and should be easily ignored if they bore you, or to filter for
if you can't be bothered to simply skip to the next message or thread.
Basically, it's down to every reader to decide what, if any, of the group
content they want to read, except of course for moderated groups - which are
the only groups where any sort of control is or can be imposed.
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from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
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On or around Sun, 8 Oct 2006 13:25:01 +0100, "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Ok, so which bit of it is utter crap?
>
>The fact that your shopping list of parts is irrelevant to anyone else who
>sees the newsgroup?



that one.

you're making an unwarranted assumption that the list of parts Nige needs to
do a certain job is of no interest to someone else. If someone else has the
same job to do, then they might be interested.
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
Thomas Gray, Elegy Written in a Country Churchyard.
 
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 09:57:06 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Sat, 7 Oct 2006 00:03:30 +0100, "SimonJ" <[email protected]>
> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>>

>> That would be one way round it, but you shouldn't need to.

>
> says who?
>>
>> The whole point of a newsgroup is to ask questions of, or impart
>> information
>> to, anybody who reads the group.

>
> says who?
>
> and besides, sometimes the information is of interest: suppose someone
> asks
> whether Beamends can supply a certain part, and if so at what price. It
> might well prove that other people will be interested in the answer. For
> example, I've often noted the answer to a question about a particular
> part,
> and thereby saved both my time and Richard's time by not having to ask
> the
> same question again.


I'm staying firmly on the fence on this issue, but may I suggest that the
threads in question are only acceptable/useful/whatever because there is
only one Richard@b-ends here.

Can't speak for others but I subscribe to a group that discusses matters
related to the dark and mysterious world of webmastering - whenever a bod
came along to discuss recommendations for web site hosting the damn thread
would be jumped on by a dozen hosts all touting their wares. All trying
to be helpful? probably, in their own way.

--
William Tasso

Land Rover - 110 V8
Discovery - V8
 
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