Other engines for landrover

Alex · May 23, 2005

I'm looking at putting a different engine into a series landrover, i'm
looking for Petrol, 6 cylinders in a line. Attempts to source a
suitable GM 2.5/2.6/3.0 engine do not seem to be coming to fruition.

I had an idea to fit a Jeep Cherokee 4.0 as this would come with a 4x4
transfer box, thus elimating the need to mate this foriegn engine to
the LR box. However, AFAIK the Jeep 4.0 only came in Auto, which I
don't want.

Anybody have any other ideas as to what I could fit, around the 150bhp
mark, 6 cylinders in line? Or am I doomed to fit a 3.5 v8?

Alex

Tim Hobbs · May 23, 2005

On Sun, 22 May 2005 23:02:35 GMT, Alex <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I'm looking at putting a different engine into a series landrover, i'm
>looking for Petrol, 6 cylinders in a line. Attempts to source a
>suitable GM 2.5/2.6/3.0 engine do not seem to be coming to fruition.
>
>I had an idea to fit a Jeep Cherokee 4.0 as this would come with a 4x4
>transfer box, thus elimating the need to mate this foriegn engine to
>the LR box. However, AFAIK the Jeep 4.0 only came in Auto, which I
>don't want.
>
>Anybody have any other ideas as to what I could fit, around the 150bhp
>mark, 6 cylinders in line? Or am I doomed to fit a 3.5 v8?
>
>Alex

BMW 2.5 / 2.8 mid-nineties vintage? 170-200bhp as standard.

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Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

JD · May 23, 2005

Alex wrote:

> I'm looking at putting a different engine into a series landrover, i'm
> looking for Petrol, 6 cylinders in a line. Attempts to source a
> suitable GM 2.5/2.6/3.0 engine do not seem to be coming to fruition.
>
> I had an idea to fit a Jeep Cherokee 4.0 as this would come with a 4x4
> transfer box, thus elimating the need to mate this foriegn engine to
> the LR box. However, AFAIK the Jeep 4.0 only came in Auto, which I
> don't want.
>
> Anybody have any other ideas as to what I could fit, around the 150bhp
> mark, 6 cylinders in line? Or am I doomed to fit a 3.5 v8?
>
> Alex

Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the supply
of straight sixes is limited now.
JD

EMB · May 23, 2005

JD wrote:

> Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the supply
> of straight sixes is limited now.

There's still a fair few available - and they are still cheap enough to
rebuild. The only problem I can see is that the OP is in the UK where
the supply of Holdens is (and has always been) non-existent.

Still, the 4.0 Jeep engine is AFAIK the same as the old Chrysler Valiant
215/245/265 engine and adaptor kits used to be readily available in
Australia - the OP may wish to investiage a kit. A good starting point
would be http://www.dellowauto.com.au - if they can't help they will
almost certainly know who can.

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EMB

Samuel · May 23, 2005

"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> JD wrote:
>
> > Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the
supply
> > of straight sixes is limited now.
>
> There's still a fair few available - and they are still cheap enough to
> rebuild. The only problem I can see is that the OP is in the UK where
> the supply of Holdens is (and has always been) non-existent.
>
>
> Still, the 4.0 Jeep engine is AFAIK the same as the old Chrysler Valiant
> 215/245/265 engine and adaptor kits used to be readily available in
> Australia - the OP may wish to investiage a kit. A good starting point
> would be http://www.dellowauto.com.au - if they can't help they will
> almost certainly know who can.
\

G'day (this greeting should help you determine my place of origin)

i'm sure it would probably not be all that far out of the question to ship a
holden motor from here to the UK. you would have no trouble getting a very
fresh 186 (3 litre, which is your best bet) that's been recently reco'ed for
around the $1000 mark or less. these are very strong motors, whereas the 202
(3.3 litre) has a bit more balls but not as strong (something to do with the
pistons) and a little too powerful for the landy 'box. then marks 4wd
adaptors and the "rod shop" may be able to fix you up with the necessary
bits and pieces. i know they used to, but someone told me the no longer
stock them, but will probably still do one offs. could always give it a try.

and i know of quite a few series rovers with 245 or 265 hemi's fitted, so
someone out there must be doing the converisons.

hope this is of some help.

Sam.

EMB · May 23, 2005

Samuel wrote:

> i'm sure it would probably not be all that far out of the question to ship a
> holden motor from here to the UK.

Trouble is - no parts availability. When it drops it's water pump -
you're stuffed. Ditto for breaking a rocker, blowing a gasket or
probably even wanting ignition parts.

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EMB

Samuel · May 23, 2005

"EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Samuel wrote:
>
> > i'm sure it would probably not be all that far out of the question to
ship a
> > holden motor from here to the UK.
>
> Trouble is - no parts availability. When it drops it's water pump -
> you're stuffed. Ditto for breaking a rocker, blowing a gasket or
> probably even wanting ignition parts.
>
>

good point. you could always get two motors. one for the car and one for
spares. can buy a s decent one for about $200 or something, get 'em shipped
over together. i don't know, could be a really stupid idea, but just
throwing it out there.

i'm thinking about chucking a diesel in to replace my 6 cyl petrol, but am
not too inspired by the little 2.25 litre rover option. i know a 3.9 litre
isuzu would be a reaonably easy swap due to most parts being avaiable, but i
would really like a 6 cylinder. thinking maybe a nissan sd33 with nissan
'box. don't suppose anyone has any ideas about that???

cheers.

Sam.

Smurf · May 23, 2005

Rover SAD was available with 2.3 and 2.6 straight 6 motors, getting a bit
thin on the ground these days , but should be cheap if you can find one, AND
it would be a rover part etc etc..........................

....................Smurf

Smurf · May 23, 2005

eerrrrrrr spell checker strikes again .... that should have been SD1 not
SAD

JD · May 23, 2005

Samuel wrote:

>
> "EMB" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Samuel wrote:
>>
>> > i'm sure it would probably not be all that far out of the question to
> ship a
>> > holden motor from here to the UK.
>>
>> Trouble is - no parts availability. When it drops it's water pump -
>> you're stuffed. Ditto for breaking a rocker, blowing a gasket or
>> probably even wanting ignition parts.
>>
>>
>
> good point. you could always get two motors. one for the car and one for
> spares. can buy a s decent one for about $200 or something, get 'em
> shipped over together. i don't know, could be a really stupid idea, but
> just throwing it out there.
>
> i'm thinking about chucking a diesel in to replace my 6 cyl petrol, but am
> not too inspired by the little 2.25 litre rover option. i know a 3.9 litre
> isuzu would be a reaonably easy swap due to most parts being avaiable, but
> i would really like a 6 cylinder. thinking maybe a nissan sd33 with nissan
> 'box. don't suppose anyone has any ideas about that???
>
> cheers.
>
> Sam.

Don't even think about mating the 3.9 Isuzu to a Rover gearbox - its not all
that high on power, but that low down torque from four cylinders is
guaranteed to wreck the box. Also a minor problem of maximum rpm being
about 25% lower.
JD

Badger · May 23, 2005

"Smurf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> eerrrrrrr spell checker strikes again .... that should have been SD1
> not SAD

I built a 109 trialler with a 2.6 SD1 engine once, nice engine with plenty
of torque low down. (i also used the SD1's autobox, mating it to a modified
series transfer box!) Not a lot of clearance between the front pulley and
radiator crossmember though, so replace cam belt before installing engine!!
Badger.

Samuel · May 23, 2005

>
> Don't even think about mating the 3.9 Isuzu to a Rover gearbox - its not
all
> that high on power, but that low down torque from four cylinders is
> guaranteed to wreck the box. Also a minor problem of maximum rpm being
> about 25% lower.
> JD

Yeah,that was my suspicion. apparently the low-down torque of the 3.9 even
wrecks some of the 110 g'boxes. as much as i love big, chunky diesels, i
reckon a small 6 cylinder would be a lotbetter.

are you in oz JD? do you know anything about putting the 5 speed nissan box
into a rover, wether or not you keep the rover transfer box??

Sam.

Bob Hobden · May 23, 2005

"EMB"wrote after
> JD wrote:
>
>> Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the
>> supply
>> of straight sixes is limited now.
>
> There's still a fair few available - and they are still cheap enough to
> rebuild. The only problem I can see is that the OP is in the UK where the
> supply of Holdens is (and has always been) non-existent.
>

Not any more, they sell some of them as the Vauxhall Monaro
http://vauxhall.co.uk/showroom/search/brand.jhtml?brand=Monaro&vehicleType=Car

and
http://vauxhall.co.uk/vxr/onTheRoad/monaro/index.jhtml

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Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

Alex · May 23, 2005

On Mon, 23 May 2005 11:27:50 +0000 (UTC), "Badger"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Smurf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> eerrrrrrr spell checker strikes again .... that should have been SD1
>> not SAD
>
>I built a 109 trialler with a 2.6 SD1 engine once, nice engine with plenty
>of torque low down. (i also used the SD1's autobox, mating it to a modified
>series transfer box!) Not a lot of clearance between the front pulley and
>radiator crossmember though, so replace cam belt before installing engine!!
>Badger.

I have considered a 2.6 IOE, as I have one fitted to a SIII, however,
given the reliablilty of this engine, and the fuel consumption I got
from it, I have discounted this as an option. It simply won't stand up
to the kind of hard work the truck will get once finished. The IOE
engine is an old design, being longstroke, and simply doesn't stand up
to the kind of use it got, even in my SIII.

The 3.0 IOE engine is a possiblity, but I still wouldn't be happy at
the long-term reliabilty of the engine.

Alex

Alex · May 23, 2005

On Mon, 23 May 2005 15:56:05 +1200, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>JD wrote:
>
>> Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the supply
>> of straight sixes is limited now.

I didn't get JD's post on my NG server, can someone re-post it?

Alex

Bob Hobden · May 23, 2005

"Bob Hobden" wrote ...
>
> "EMB"wrote after
>> JD wrote:
>>
>>> Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the
>>> supply
>>> of straight sixes is limited now.
>>
>> There's still a fair few available - and they are still cheap enough to
>> rebuild. The only problem I can see is that the OP is in the UK where
>> the supply of Holdens is (and has always been) non-existent.
>>
>
> Not any more, they sell some of them as the Vauxhall Monaro
> http://vauxhall.co.uk/showroom/search/brand.jhtml?brand=Monaro&vehicleType=Car
>
for all you petrolheads go to this page, then click Jeremy's verdict then
watch "Full Boost" with the sound turned up.
Oh I want one. (and a petrol account some one else pays)
--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London

EMB · May 23, 2005

Bob Hobden wrote:
> "EMB"wrote after
>
>>JD wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the
>>>supply
>>>of straight sixes is limited now.
>>
>>There's still a fair few available - and they are still cheap enough to
>>rebuild. The only problem I can see is that the OP is in the UK where the
>>supply of Holdens is (and has always been) non-existent.
>>
>
>
> Not any more, they sell some of them as the Vauxhall Monaro
> http://vauxhall.co.uk/showroom/search/brand.jhtml?brand=Monaro&vehicleType=Car
>
> and
> http://vauxhall.co.uk/vxr/onTheRoad/monaro/index.jhtml
>

I was referring to the old 70's and 80's Holdens that were the source of
the 6 cylinder engine that was widely fitted to Solihull's finest down
this way. I have a vague suspicion that the current crop of V8's would
be a tad too much for the Landrover gearboxes ;-)

Incidentally, there's a Monaro parked in my driveway, and petrol here is
about 55p per litre.

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EMB

Tim Hobbs · May 23, 2005

On Tue, 24 May 2005 07:32:25 +1200, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>Bob Hobden wrote:
>> "EMB"wrote after
>>
>>>JD wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Holden engines have been widely fitted in the past, but I think the
>>>>supply
>>>>of straight sixes is limited now.
>>>
>>>There's still a fair few available - and they are still cheap enough to
>>>rebuild. The only problem I can see is that the OP is in the UK where the
>>>supply of Holdens is (and has always been) non-existent.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Not any more, they sell some of them as the Vauxhall Monaro
>> http://vauxhall.co.uk/showroom/search/brand.jhtml?brand=Monaro&vehicleType=Car
>>
>> and
>> http://vauxhall.co.uk/vxr/onTheRoad/monaro/index.jhtml
>>
>
>I was referring to the old 70's and 80's Holdens that were the source of
>the 6 cylinder engine that was widely fitted to Solihull's finest down
>this way. I have a vague suspicion that the current crop of V8's would
>be a tad too much for the Landrover gearboxes ;-)
>
>Incidentally, there's a Monaro parked in my driveway, and petrol here is
> about 55p per litre.

As much as that? I thought you were at about $1.10, divided by a
2.5ish exchange rate? Getting price down there isn't it?

How much is new Monaro?

--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt"
'03 Volvo V70

EMB · May 23, 2005

Tim Hobbs wrote:

> As much as that? I thought you were at about $1.10, divided by a
> 2.5ish exchange rate? Getting price down there isn't it?

They added another tax grab recently - and now I think about it, the
price has dropped to $1.23, so call that 50p.

> How much is new Monaro?

List price is a tad shy of $80,000 but with a bit of arm twisting you'll
own one for a bit under $75K - so about 30,000 pounds. But the one
outside is the wife's company car - so I get to have fun without
herniating the chequebook.

--
EMB

Alex · May 23, 2005

On Tue, 24 May 2005 08:00:51 +1200, EMB <[email protected]> wrote:

>Tim Hobbs wrote:
>
>> As much as that? I thought you were at about $1.10, divided by a
>> 2.5ish exchange rate? Getting price down there isn't it?

>
>They added another tax grab recently - and now I think about it, the
>price has dropped to $1.23, so call that 50p.
>
>
>> How much is new Monaro?
>
>List price is a tad shy of $80,000 but with a bit of arm twisting you'll
>own one for a bit under $75K - so about 30,000 pounds. But the one
>outside is the wife's company car - so I get to have fun without
>herniating the chequebook.

Or you could import a Pontiac GTO from the states - it's the same car,
but cheaper than the Monaro.

Alex

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