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Chances are the footway is in highway authority ownership (almost all are).
The traffic regulation order (TRO) against which the parking restriction is
written covers the highway all the way to the back of footway. Parking
TRO's apply to the full width of highway. The footway is part of the
highway, it just carries different (foot) traffic. Appeals can be won on
very poor condition of marking or insufficient signage but the footway
obstruction is also an infringment of section 268 of the highways
(obstruction of footway)!


On 15/6/06 18:40, in article [email protected],
"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:36:31 GMT, "GbH"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> That is as Austin says, the public part of the pavement.
>> What might help is that yellow lines are not valid on their own, there has to
>> be
>> an additional sign posted too, indicating in the case of single and broken
>> lines
>> the times at which they apply, think with doubles it says at all times. Check
>> they
>> are there and in good conition, it may be there is no case to answer, worth a
>> look.

>
> worth checking the ownership of the ground in question, too - if it's
> private there's definitely no case. I suspect that if the charge is "did
> cause a vehicle to be parked on the street in contravention of double yellow
> line parking restrictions", OWTTE, then provided you can prove that it was
> on the pavement they also have no case, but IANAL.


 
On 2006-06-15, Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:33:10 +0100, beamendsltd
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> If it's any comfort, you can sometimes come out on top. Years ago
>> I went Morris Dancing in Tunbridge Wells.

>
> I see, the guilty secrets are coming out now.


I have to confess, I stalled a little when I read that bit ;-)

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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:20:39 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:43:28 +0100, Matthew Maddock
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Speaking of setting fire to my balls, my wife is after having another
>>baby - I'm not! Setting fire to my balls may be the best option to get
>>out of it!

>
>Mentioning a desire for a small collection of 101 should provide the
>same results. I hide all sharp items around the house at such times.


what having the baby, or the setting fire to the balls...... It seems
to be that they both go hand in hand. "i'm pregnant and you want to
spend how much on that thing???"
--

Simon Isaacs

"Bad officials are elected by good citizens who do not vote"
George Jean Nathan (1882-1955)

ROT13 me....
 
DB4 wrote:
> Chances are the footway is in highway authority ownership (almost all
> are). The traffic regulation order (TRO) against which the parking
> restriction is written covers the highway all the way to the back of
> footway. Parking TRO's apply to the full width of highway. The
> footway is part of the highway, it just carries different (foot)
> traffic. Appeals can be won on very poor condition of marking or
> insufficient signage but the footway obstruction is also an
> infringment of section 268 of the highways (obstruction of footway)!


Indeed, but that's not the offence quoted here!

>
>
> On 15/6/06 18:40, in article
> [email protected], "Austin Shackles"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:36:31 GMT, "GbH"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>> That is as Austin says, the public part of the pavement.
>>> What might help is that yellow lines are not valid on their own,
>>> there has to be
>>> an additional sign posted too, indicating in the case of single and
>>> broken lines
>>> the times at which they apply, think with doubles it says at all
>>> times. Check they
>>> are there and in good conition, it may be there is no case to
>>> answer, worth a look.

>>
>> worth checking the ownership of the ground in question, too - if it's
>> private there's definitely no case. I suspect that if the charge is
>> "did cause a vehicle to be parked on the street in contravention of
>> double yellow line parking restrictions", OWTTE, then provided you
>> can prove that it was on the pavement they also have no case, but
>> IANAL.




--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:41:15 +0100, DB4 <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Chances are the footway is in highway authority ownership (almost all are).
>The traffic regulation order (TRO) against which the parking restriction is
>written covers the highway all the way to the back of footway. Parking
>TRO's apply to the full width of highway. The footway is part of the
>highway, it just carries different (foot) traffic. Appeals can be won on
>very poor condition of marking or insufficient signage but the footway
>obstruction is also an infringment of section 268 of the highways
>(obstruction of footway)!


worth checking though on one that wide, they aren't all highway.
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Beyond the horizon of the place we lived when we were young / In a world
of magnets and miracles / Our thoughts strayed constantly and without
boundary / The ringing of the Division bell had begun. Pink Floyd (1994)
 
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket


My dad mentioned this to me the other day:

http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/archives/001031.html

It works on the principle that a judge said that constitutional
statutes may not be repealed but ordinary ones may.

The Bill of Rights Act 1689 is 'constitutional' and says:
"That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular
persons before conviction are illegal and void".

which apparently means that fine levied under the Road Traffic Act
which do not require a court appearance are illegal by the bill of
rights statement above...

I shall be trying this approach next time someone tries to fine me for
something traffic related. :)

 
> It works on the principle that a judge said that constitutional
> statutes may not be repealed but ordinary ones may.
>
> The Bill of Rights Act 1689 is 'constitutional' and says:
> "That all grants and promises of fines and forfeitures of particular
> persons before conviction are illegal and void".
>
> which apparently means that fine levied under the Road Traffic Act
> which do not require a court appearance are illegal by the bill of
> rights statement above...
>
> I shall be trying this approach next time someone tries to fine me for
> something traffic related. :)
>


I don't think it will work, because YOU have to accept a fixed penalty
notice, you always have the option not to accept and go to court.

Regards
Jeff


 

"Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Austin Shackles wrote:
>> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:


> Durham is motorists' hell. Don't even think of coming here. All that the
> city council wants is your money.


Durham, HA! you have not been in Oxford, any invasion into this
country the safest place is here, nobody moves in or out anytime.
If you stop, those wonderful traffic wardens on mopeds get you.

This has to be simply the worst place for cars.

Alan

--
VFR800 ABS for Fun, Range Rover for Comfort.
BOTAFOT #148


 
On 2006-06-16, Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't think it will work, because YOU have to accept a fixed penalty
> notice, you always have the option not to accept and go to court.


If you search for "Bill of Rights Act 1689 parking" it's been waffled
on about quite a bit on t' new-fangled internet, with the usual
confusion regarding the finer points of law, e.g. parking offences
being de-criminalised so coming under differet parts of law, Road
Traffic Act over-riding earlier laws, and a whole load of other ifs
and buts that I can't recall. Apparently one case was successful but
I've only seen one account, repeated across many web pages.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
Alan Crowder wrote:
> "Dougal" <DougalAThiskennel.free-online.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Austin Shackles wrote:
>>
>>>On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
>>><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>
>>Durham is motorists' hell. Don't even think of coming here. All that the
>>city council wants is your money.

>
>
> Durham, HA! you have not been in Oxford, any invasion into this
> country the safest place is here, nobody moves in or out anytime.
> If you stop, those wonderful traffic wardens on mopeds get you.
>
> This has to be simply the worst place for cars.
>
> Alan


I've added Oxford to my list of places to avoid !
 
> I've added Oxford to my list of places to avoid !

I tried to go to Oxford once to see what it was like, but it seemed
impossible to get into the centre so I turned around and went back
home!

Is there any wonder that shopping in town centres is dying off. I spend
a lot of time in France (going to move there perm in a few months)
and I've only once paid for parking in a town. There is normally an
abundance of free parking - as a result the shops do well, and even
the small towns centres survive.

Matt
 
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2006-06-16, Jeff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I don't think it will work, because YOU have to accept a fixed penalty
>> notice, you always have the option not to accept and go to court.

>
> If you search for "Bill of Rights Act 1689 parking" it's been waffled
> on about quite a bit on t' new-fangled internet, with the usual
> confusion regarding the finer points of law, e.g. parking offences
> being de-criminalised so coming under differet parts of law, Road
> Traffic Act over-riding earlier laws, and a whole load of other ifs
> and buts that I can't recall. Apparently one case was successful but
> I've only seen one account, repeated across many web pages.
>


Wasn't all this something to do with using the word "fine" rather than
"penalty"? or something like that because they have different meanings
in law.

I remember seeing something about it on the news a while ago now.

Matt
 

> and look for breaks in the lines, or the lines being badly faded,
> both causes for sucessful appeals on that telly prog about
> parking in London a while back.


I got a ticket on my bike - it's a bit of a bus and the wheels were on the
line, not outside of it.. In the nazi state of westminster this is decreed
as illegal parking and I got a ticket. However, the lines were crooked and I
won my day in the kangeroo court they use for disagreements. Very much wrth
doing.


 
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