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Matthew Maddock

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Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was
at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room
for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and
she has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a
yellow line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on
this? - or can point me in the direction of some decent info please.
Most of the stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for
having lots of parking wardens.

Any info appreciated.

Cheers,

Matt
 
On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
>mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was
>at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room
>for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and
>she has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a
>yellow line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on
>this? - or can point me in the direction of some decent info please.
>Most of the stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
>She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
>never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for
>having lots of parking wardens.

so, there's a monster-wide pavement and she was parked on that, not on the
actual street?

I imagine it depends on the status of the various bits of land. When
there's a wide area off the street, if that's the situation, then often only
part of it is public land, and some of it is private. If it's private land,
then it's between her and the landowner. If it's public pavement, I don't
think you can be done for parking on the yellow lines, but you might instead
get done for parking on the pavement...
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Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Pereant qui ante nos nostra dixerunt"
(confound the men who have made our remarks before us.)
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"Matthew Maddock" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:[email protected]...
> Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my mothers,
> not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was at least
> 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room for
> pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and she
> has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a yellow
> line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on this? - or
> can point me in the direction of some decent info please. Most of the
> stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
> She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
> never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for having
> lots of parking wardens.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt

You might as well set fire to your balls & put them out with a mallet mate!!
I have never got anywhere with the power mad idiots, even when parked
totally legally!!

Nige


 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
>> mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was
>> at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room
>> for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and
>> she has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a
>> yellow line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on
>> this? - or can point me in the direction of some decent info please.
>> Most of the stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
>> She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
>> never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for
>> having lots of parking wardens.
>
> so, there's a monster-wide pavement and she was parked on that, not on the
> actual street?

Yeah, exactly. You could actually park nose in to the wall and still
leave plenty of room, but she was parked parallel to the wall.

> I imagine it depends on the status of the various bits of land. When
> there's a wide area off the street, if that's the situation, then often only
> part of it is public land, and some of it is private. If it's private land,
> then it's between her and the landowner. If it's public pavement, I don't
> think you can be done for parking on the yellow lines, but you might instead
> get done for parking on the pavement...

That's the confusing bit - it is a infringement 10 - which is parking on
double yellow lines.

Matt
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
>> mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there
>> was at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than
>> enough room for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with
>> double yellows, and she has been booked for "Infringement 10 :
>> parking on a street with a yellow line parking restriction". Anyone
>> know what the rules are on this? - or can point me in the direction
>> of some decent info please. Most of the stuff I've found is pretty
>> woolly and not specific enough. She's parked there several times a
>> week for at least the last year, and never had a ticket before -
>> even though the area is well known for having lots of parking
>> wardens.
>
> so, there's a monster-wide pavement and she was parked on that, not
> on the actual street?
>
> I imagine it depends on the status of the various bits of land. When
> there's a wide area off the street, if that's the situation, then
> often only part of it is public land, and some of it is private. If
> it's private land, then it's between her and the landowner. If it's
> public pavement, I don't think you can be done for parking on the
> yellow lines, but you might instead get done for parking on the
> pavement...

I'm not sure either on this but the pavement is part of the street, if not the
road!
That is as Austin says, the public part of the pavement.
What might help is that yellow lines are not valid on their own, there has to be
an additional sign posted too, indicating in the case of single and broken lines
the times at which they apply, think with doubles it says at all times. Check they
are there and in good conition, it may be there is no case to answer, worth a
look.

--
"He who says it cannot be done would be well advised not to interrupt
her doing it."

The fiend of my fiend is my enema!


 
> You might as well set fire to your balls & put them out with a mallet mate!!
> I have never got anywhere with the power mad idiots, even when parked
> totally legally!!

Suspect you're right Nige, probably just a total waste of time.
Whenever I've been issued a ticket I deliberately leave it beyond the 14
days for the "reduced" fine, and then sent the reduced fine anyway -
just to be bloody minded. They've never chased me for the extra, even
when I've left it a month from the ticket being issued. I never fill in
my name or address either - if they want that info they can waste their
own time getting it from the DVLA.

Speaking of setting fire to my balls, my wife is after having another
baby - I'm not! Setting fire to my balls may be the best option to get
out of it!

Matt
 
Nige wrote:

>You might as well set fire to your balls & put them out with a mallet mate!!
>
You have *such* a way with words!

Lizzy
 
Matthew Maddock wrote:
>> You might as well set fire to your balls & put them out with a mallet mate!!
>> I have never got anywhere with the power mad idiots, even when parked
>> totally legally!!
>
> Suspect you're right Nige, probably just a total waste of time.
> Whenever I've been issued a ticket I deliberately leave it beyond the 14
> days for the "reduced" fine, and then sent the reduced fine anyway -
> just to be bloody minded. They've never chased me for the extra, even
> when I've left it a month from the ticket being issued. I never fill in
> my name or address either - if they want that info they can waste their
> own time getting it from the DVLA.
>
> Speaking of setting fire to my balls, my wife is after having another
> baby - I'm not! Setting fire to my balls may be the best option to get
> out of it!
>
> Matt


LOL!!!!
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LizzyTaylor wrote:
> Nige wrote:
>
>> You might as well set fire to your balls & put them out with a mallet mate!!
>>
> You have *such* a way with words!
>
> Lizzy


It's one of my 'features' i do tend to rather speak my mind!!

I'm not one for beating around the bush.......!!

Nige

--

Subaru WRX
Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)

We might be going on a summer holiday, the Greece Ball rally!!!!


 
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:10:08 +0100, "Nige"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>It's one of my 'features' i do tend to rather speak my mind!!

Which I reckon is a good (albeit sometimes blunt) characteristic.

I get into some bother for speaking my mind - but believe it's better
than 'not'.

>I'm not one for beating around the bush.......!!

Especially not with a mallet :)


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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:43:28 +0100, Matthew Maddock
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Speaking of setting fire to my balls, my wife is after having another
>baby - I'm not! Setting fire to my balls may be the best option to get
>out of it!

Mentioning a desire for a small collection of 101 should provide the
same results. I hide all sharp items around the house at such times.


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Matthew Maddock wrote:
> Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
> mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was
> at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room
> for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and
> she has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a
> yellow line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on
> this? - or can point me in the direction of some decent info please.
> Most of the stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
> She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
> never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for
> having lots of parking wardens.
>
> Any info appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
Had a similar thing happen to me and I got off !
The law says ( some thing like ) parked on road pavement or verge , it
really depends on what's in the area , ie is there a house entrance
etc where a vehicle may be parked if a car is parked in a drive way 3
foot from the yellow etc , there is no min or max distance that the
line has powers over what they are looking for in court is being over
the line ie the line runs under or very close to the car if your parked
12 foot away from the line on a pavement it don't count !
Other things to look for
Is the line unbroken , has it be terminated correctly with a yellow bar
is all the details on the ticket correct make model etc , is it
readable

I got off parking on a beach road 4 foot from the yellow line because
I was not on the pavement or curb , the ticket describe the car as the
make being a landroer and the model being a 4x4 it was a range rover
classic and land rover should be 2 separate words and rover is spelt
rover not roer, and there is no 4x4 model the parking attendants number
was not clear . the magistrate aggread on all points and awarded me
cost ! (120 quid as I had to travel from Coventry to yarmouth )

Also have a look at the payment details on the back should say
something like pay in 14 day 30 quid after that 60 (or what ever it is
) some tickets have an error on another part that says 14 day 30 quid
after that 65 if you have this the ticket is invalid

Good luck !

 
In message <[email protected]>
Austin Shackles <[email protected]> wrote:

> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
> >Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
> >mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was
> >at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room
> >for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and
> >she has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a
> >yellow line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on
> >this? - or can point me in the direction of some decent info please.
> >Most of the stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
> >She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
> >never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for
> >having lots of parking wardens.
>
> so, there's a monster-wide pavement and she was parked on that, not on the
> actual street?
>
> I imagine it depends on the status of the various bits of land. When
> there's a wide area off the street, if that's the situation, then often only
> part of it is public land, and some of it is private. If it's private land,
> then it's between her and the landowner. If it's public pavement, I don't
> think you can be done for parking on the yellow lines, but you might instead
> get done for parking on the pavement...

My sister was done for "parking other than on the highway". Mind you,
she was in the verge of a road at the Stonehenge Festival....

Richard
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In message <[email protected]>
"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Austin Shackles wrote:
> > On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
> > <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
> >
> >> Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
> >> mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there
> >> was at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than
> >> enough room for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with
> >> double yellows, and she has been booked for "Infringement 10 :
> >> parking on a street with a yellow line parking restriction". Anyone
> >> know what the rules are on this? - or can point me in the direction
> >> of some decent info please. Most of the stuff I've found is pretty
> >> woolly and not specific enough. She's parked there several times a
> >> week for at least the last year, and never had a ticket before -
> >> even though the area is well known for having lots of parking
> >> wardens.
> >
> > so, there's a monster-wide pavement and she was parked on that, not
> > on the actual street?
> >
> > I imagine it depends on the status of the various bits of land. When
> > there's a wide area off the street, if that's the situation, then
> > often only part of it is public land, and some of it is private. If
> > it's private land, then it's between her and the landowner. If it's
> > public pavement, I don't think you can be done for parking on the
> > yellow lines, but you might instead get done for parking on the
> > pavement...
>
> I'm not sure either on this but the pavement is part of the street, if not the
> road!
> That is as Austin says, the public part of the pavement.
> What might help is that yellow lines are not valid on their own, there has to be
> an additional sign posted too, indicating in the case of single and broken lines
> the times at which they apply, think with doubles it says at all times. Check they
> are there and in good conition, it may be there is no case to answer, worth a
> look.
>

and look for breaks in the lines, or the lines being badly faded,
both causes for sucessful appeals on that telly prog about
parking in London a while back.

Richard
--
www.beamends-lrspares.co.uk [email protected]
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In message <[email protected]>
"Nige" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Matthew Maddock" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:[email protected]...
> > Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my mothers,
> > not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was at least
> > 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room for
> > pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and she
> > has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a yellow
> > line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on this? - or
> > can point me in the direction of some decent info please. Most of the
> > stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
> > She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
> > never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for having
> > lots of parking wardens.
> >
> > Any info appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Matt
>
> You might as well set fire to your balls & put them out with a mallet mate!!
> I have never got anywhere with the power mad idiots, even when parked
> totally legally!!
>
> Nige
>
>

If it's any comfort, you can sometimes come out on top. Years ago
I went Morris Dancing in Tunbridge Wells. As we were dancing the sun
up we got there nice and early. Being considerate, I parked my
motorbike along side a wall that jutted out into the road. There
were no yellow lines along the wall, but there were ones along the
street running up to the wall.
Upon returing a couple of hours later to move it to the next venue,
I found a Traffic Warden attaching a ticket. After a word or two
about the lack of lines where I was actualy parked I had a thought.
Bearing in mind this was pre-towing away days, I asked if I could
get another ticket. No, was the answer, unless I moved it. Right,
thinks I - the carpark where I'd been advised to park was £2.50
an hour (astronomic in those days), but as I'd already forked out
£10 or £12 (I forget the exact amount) I figured that it was going
to be far cheaper, and more secure, to leave it where it was.

I never did recieve any follow-up on the ticket either, so
never paid.

Richard

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Mother" <"@ {mother} @ wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:10:08 +0100, "Nige"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's one of my 'features' i do tend to rather speak my mind!!
>
> Which I reckon is a good (albeit sometimes blunt) characteristic.
>
> I get into some bother for speaking my mind - but believe it's better
> than 'not'.
>
>> I'm not one for beating around the bush.......!!
>
> Especially not with a mallet :)


You win £5
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Range Rover 4.6 HSE (The Tank!)

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On 2006-06-15, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> wrote:

> Mentioning a desire for a small collection of 101 should provide the
> same results. I hide all sharp items around the house at such times.

Oh I don't know, she can have her new baby if he can have a new car,
sounds like a fair deal to me! Make sure that she agrees that if she
wants the car to go, then they have to sell the baby too.

I reckon the above should stop her wanting to have any babies by the
chap in question.. He might be looking for a new girlfriend though,
but that's never a bad thing.

--
Blast off and strike the evil Bydo empire!
 
On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 13:36:31 GMT, "GbH"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>That is as Austin says, the public part of the pavement.
>What might help is that yellow lines are not valid on their own, there has to be
>an additional sign posted too, indicating in the case of single and broken lines
>the times at which they apply, think with doubles it says at all times. Check they
>are there and in good conition, it may be there is no case to answer, worth a
>look.

worth checking the ownership of the ground in question, too - if it's
private there's definitely no case. I suspect that if the charge is "did
cause a vehicle to be parked on the street in contravention of double yellow
line parking restrictions", OWTTE, then provided you can prove that it was
on the pavement they also have no case, but IANAL.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1
 
On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:33:10 +0100, beamendsltd
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>If it's any comfort, you can sometimes come out on top. Years ago
>I went Morris Dancing in Tunbridge Wells.

I see, the guilty secrets are coming out now.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1
 
Austin Shackles wrote:
> On or around Thu, 15 Jun 2006 14:12:10 +0100, Matthew Maddock
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>
>>Been trying to search for info on disputing a parking ticket (my
>>mothers, not mine!) She was parked up against a private wall, there was
>>at least 6ft between her car and the curb edge, so more than enough room
>>for pedestrians. However, the road was marked with double yellows, and
>>she has been booked for "Infringement 10 : parking on a street with a
>>yellow line parking restriction". Anyone know what the rules are on
>>this? - or can point me in the direction of some decent info please.
>>Most of the stuff I've found is pretty woolly and not specific enough.
>>She's parked there several times a week for at least the last year, and
>>never had a ticket before - even though the area is well known for
>>having lots of parking wardens.
>
>
> so, there's a monster-wide pavement and she was parked on that, not on the
> actual street?
>
> I imagine it depends on the status of the various bits of land. When
> there's a wide area off the street, if that's the situation, then often only
> part of it is public land, and some of it is private. If it's private land,
> then it's between her and the landowner. If it's public pavement, I don't
> think you can be done for parking on the yellow lines, but you might instead
> get done for parking on the pavement...

This sounds horribly similar to what was happening in Durham a few
years ago - I don't know if anyone tried to challenge the tickets.

Basically a road with double yellow lines. There was a strip - cars'
width - on one side which was not a pavement but would have been at
pavement level beyond the kerb.

This strip had been used for parking for several years without issue
but then the tickets started to appear.

It seems that the view was that the road and hence the restrictions
extended from wall to wall not just kerb to kerb as one would expect.
I never investigated further but that was the final straw and I
withdraw all my business from the city. Never go there now.

Durham is motorists' hell. Don't even think of coming here. All that
the city council wants is your money.

 
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