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Joskin

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• Oct 26, 2005

• #21

Graham

I have the Dell 1905FP and I'm delighted with it.
No dead pixels. Excellent image. It tilts into portrait mode etc
Can't fault it, especially as I got it from Dell at £269 a few months ago
(no delivery charges).
Watch their web site - their prices change frequently and they do "special
offers" !

Joskin


"Graham G" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat panel
> one. Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete novice so
> what should I be looking for? It would seem that the quality is dictated
> by cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and resolution. Don't really know
> what thats all about if I'm honest. I'm obviously after the clearest
> picture and most usable screen, whatever that might be. Generally I don't
> do any gaming, but I do watch the odd dvd etc. what do I need?
>
> One I was interested in was the following
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C
>
> Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is it any
> good, or is there better deals to be had??
>
> Graham
>

 

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #22

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>This might be the last thing on this. Have pretty much decided on a Iiyama
>19" TFT E481S-B ProLite Black/silver, unless anyone says different, as it
>seems to me to be a really good all rounder and comes with a 'mother' seal
>of approval ;o)

Can't fault mine in the slightest

>However, the dilemma is where do I buy it...

I guess go for the cheapest. Most of the companies you listed are
basically 'box shifters' and in reality that's pretty much what they
do. The warranty is offered by Iiyama directly, so if you cna find a
good price, and they're in stock, the 'quality' of the service is
going to be limited to 'can they deliver'.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

 

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #23

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:59:36 GMT, rads
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I stopped buying from Dabs when they removed the ability to contact
>them by phone.
>
>Whilst I understand the reasons they have done so, I hope they also
>understand why I have excercised my freedom of choice in my purchasing
>decisions!

Common pattern really. I had an issue with eBuyer in this respect.

Left (eventually) a fault ticket, chap phoned me back 20 minutes
later. All sorted fairly easily (as was a couple of later claims for
postage refund and also an RMA on a duff HDD).

Sadly, it's the price we pay for cheaper goods (if you'll s'cuse the
pun). Telephone calls are slow and waste far, far too much time (and
often demonstrate to the supplier that customers are too clueless to
own a computer).

If you want to chat about it, go find a local computer shop, who pay
staff to stand around on a counter, pay 'high street' rent and rates
rent and consequently charge a higher price for their goods.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

 

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GbH

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #24

In news:[email protected],
Mother" <"@ {mother} @ <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net> blithered:
> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> This might be the last thing on this. Have pretty much decided on a
>> Iiyama 19" TFT E481S-B ProLite Black/silver, unless anyone says
>> different, as it seems to me to be a really good all rounder and
>> comes with a 'mother' seal of approval ;o)
>
> Can't fault mine in the slightest
>
>> However, the dilemma is where do I buy it...
>
> I guess go for the cheapest. Most of the companies you listed are
> basically 'box shifters' and in reality that's pretty much what they
> do. The warranty is offered by Iiyama directly, so if you cna find a
> good price, and they're in stock, the 'quality' of the service is
> going to be limited to 'can they deliver'.

My big problem at the moment with all the online shops is the horrendous shipping
surcharge demanded to get it here. Paying an extra £15 on something that often is
no more than that, not in this case maybe, tends to dull the shine somewhat!! To
add insult to injury oftem 'free shipping' is often a claimed selling point. Guess
what, the surcharge is extra!!!

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

 

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Graham G

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #25

Joskin muttered summat about:

> Graham
>
> I have the Dell 1905FP and I'm delighted with it.
> No dead pixels. Excellent image. It tilts into portrait mode etc
> Can't fault it, especially as I got it from Dell at £269 a few months
> ago (no delivery charges).
> Watch their web site - their prices change frequently and they do
> "special offers" !

Whats put me off the dell is the slow response time (20ms compared to 8ms)
and the lower brightness (250cd/m compared to 300cd/m). Also it has a 75w
power consumption compared to 40w. Althought it does have some nice features
like a good contrast ratio, USB hub etc.

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod

 

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Graham G

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #26

Mother" <"@ {mother} @ muttered summat about:

> On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:40:57 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> This might be the last thing on this. Have pretty much decided on a
>> Iiyama 19" TFT E481S-B ProLite Black/silver, unless anyone says
>> different, as it seems to me to be a really good all rounder and
>> comes with a 'mother' seal of approval ;o)
>
> Can't fault mine in the slightest
>
>> However, the dilemma is where do I buy it...
>
> I guess go for the cheapest. Most of the companies you listed are
> basically 'box shifters' and in reality that's pretty much what they
> do. The warranty is offered by Iiyama directly, so if you cna find a
> good price, and they're in stock, the 'quality' of the service is
> going to be limited to 'can they deliver'.

Pretty much thought that, however, what bothers me slightly is the
difference in description. The E481S has been updated with faster response
times and higer contrast ration. Some sights describe it as it was and some
as it is now. Do I assume that those that describe it as it was just haven't
updated their info or that they are selling old stock??

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod

 

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #27

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:17:34 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Pretty much thought that, however, what bothers me slightly is the
>difference in description. The E481S has been updated with faster response
>times and higer contrast ration. Some sights describe it as it was and some
>as it is now. Do I assume that those that describe it as it was just haven't
>updated their info or that they are selling old stock??

Check most of the sites, they don't have stock. It's a very popular
monitor and the manufacturer can't build them quickly enough. I'd
seriously doubt there's any 'old stock' kicking around.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

 

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Graham G

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #28

Graham G muttered summat about:

> Joskin muttered summat about:
>
>> Graham
>>
>> I have the Dell 1905FP and I'm delighted with it.
>> No dead pixels. Excellent image. It tilts into portrait mode etc
>> Can't fault it, especially as I got it from Dell at £269 a few months
>> ago (no delivery charges).
>> Watch their web site - their prices change frequently and they do
>> "special offers" !
>
> Whats put me off the dell is the slow response time (20ms compared to
> 8ms) and the lower brightness (250cd/m compared to 300cd/m). Also it
> has a 75w power consumption compared to 40w. Althought it does have
> some nice features like a good contrast ratio, USB hub etc.

On a similar topic. If I were to buy a new PC, what the best way/place to
go? Have always gone to Dell, but wondered if there were alternatives that
were as good. Bare in mind that I'm no techie...

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #29

On or around Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:48:41 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Graham G muttered summat about:
>
>> Joskin muttered summat about:
>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>> I have the Dell 1905FP and I'm delighted with it.
>>> No dead pixels. Excellent image. It tilts into portrait mode etc
>>> Can't fault it, especially as I got it from Dell at £269 a few months
>>> ago (no delivery charges).
>>> Watch their web site - their prices change frequently and they do
>>> "special offers" !
>>
>> Whats put me off the dell is the slow response time (20ms compared to
>> 8ms) and the lower brightness (250cd/m compared to 300cd/m). Also it
>> has a 75w power consumption compared to 40w. Althought it does have
>> some nice features like a good contrast ratio, USB hub etc.
>
>On a similar topic. If I were to buy a new PC, what the best way/place to
>go? Have always gone to Dell, but wondered if there were alternatives that
>were as good. Bare in mind that I'm no techie...

Dell seem to have a reasonable reputation actually. If you don't fancy
buying the bits and screwing it together yerself that is.

Quite taken with the case on the current one here; 's called "Capricorn" and
has a side panel that comes off without tools (you can, optionally, even
leave the knurled screw off the back which holds it, for even easier access

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Remember that to change your mind and follow him who sets you right
is to be none the less free than you were before."
Marcus Aurelius Antoninus (121-180), from Meditations, VIII.16

 

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Graham G

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #30

Austin Shackles muttered summat about:

> Dell seem to have a reasonable reputation actually. If you don't
> fancy buying the bits and screwing it together yerself that is.
>
> Quite taken with the case on the current one here; 's called
> "Capricorn" and has a side panel that comes off without tools (you
> can, optionally, even leave the knurled screw off the back which
> holds it, for even easier access

Have always got on well with them. Trouble is, when I start pricing one up
it always ends up around the £1500 mark!!

My old Dell had that, it was very handy. Used to have the side off and blow
it all out occasionally. Did well, had it for 7 years having bought one in
the first place that was easily upgradable. What killed it in the end was a
bloomin virus, it was one of those that took out airports and banks etc. The
only way to have got it to go again was to do a re-install and then I was
told there would be no guarentee. Because I didn't feel up to doing it
myself it worked out cheaper to replace it. Shame it did me well. Have a
siemens one atm which I bought off a mate quick. Does the job, but its
getting slower and slower with all the additional crap I'm asking it to run.
Probably wants an fresh install too, trouble is I ahem inherited all the
software including OS on it, so thats impossible.

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• Oct 26, 2005

• #31

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:40:28 +0100, Austin Shackles
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:33:29 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G"
><[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>Thanks very much, that helps alot.
>>
>>Am learning fast, but as I said earlier, I want to be sure I'm buying the
>>right thing.
>
>Just to throw another wossname into the pot - the last of the big CRTs are
>very good for the money if you have the desk-space for it.
>
>Small CRTs have all-but disappeared; but in the 19-21" range there are some
>good ones still. Competitive on price with the decent large TFTs as well -
>and cheap TFTs are what they say, cheap, and it tends to show.

Big CRT is better than any panel for certain work (graphic design,
photo editing). But you need the space.

If the intended use is photo work then beg/borrow/steal a Spyder (or
similar device) to calibrate the colours, and get the right profile
for your printer (if you are masochistic enough to print at home). If
you don't then you're ****ing in the proverbial.

There are colour-calibrated panels, but you are into 4 figures for a
decent one. And they are probably pants for games!




--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

 

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Tom Woods

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #32

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 18:48:41 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On a similar topic. If I were to buy a new PC, what the best way/place to
>go? Have always gone to Dell, but wondered if there were alternatives that
>were as good. Bare in mind that I'm no techie...

We used to buy a lot of dells for work as they were cheap and never
went wrong (I know of a couple of dud HD's and one PSU out of a couple
of hundred PC's in schools). I only used to buy them when they were on
special offer.
Dell changed all their T&C's for educational customers in the summer
(making me pay £50 per pc delivery and limiting me to 5 of anything on
special offer) and I now buy Fujitsu Siemens PC's - which seem just as
good and work out cheaper than the Dells.

I dont think you can go far wrong with anything that dell have on
special offer.

I object to the way dell make their prices seem cheaper by making you
pay £50 for delivery. It never costs that much - they are just trying
to make back the money they are loosing by selling their PC's so
cheaply.
Even after we worked out that for the price they wanted to charge us
for delivery we could buy 2 transit vans and drive over to ireland for
a long weekend and pick them up they still wouldnt budge!

 

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Mother

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #33

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:51:31 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>We used to buy a lot of dells for work as they were cheap and never
>went wrong (I know of a couple of dud HD's and one PSU out of a couple
>of hundred PC's in schools). I only used to buy them when they were on
>special offer.

I used to buy (lots) of Viglens - never had a problem. When Viglen
went, started with Dells, had no end of hassles - not necessarily with
the machines, more the service. seemed to me they weren't too
bothered whether I was buying one for home or 500 for the office.

When that particular department migrated to laptops their (I'd left by
then) IT procurement manager asked me what I reckoned? They now have
a fleet of very robust Toshiba laptops...


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005

 

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Tom Woods

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #34

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:31:12 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:51:31 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>We used to buy a lot of dells for work as they were cheap and never
>>went wrong (I know of a couple of dud HD's and one PSU out of a couple
>>of hundred PC's in schools). I only used to buy them when they were on
>>special offer.
>
>I used to buy (lots) of Viglens - never had a problem. When Viglen
>went, started with Dells, had no end of hassles - not necessarily with
>the machines, more the service. seemed to me they weren't too
>bothered whether I was buying one for home or 500 for the office.

I've noticed that. Seems quite stupid - but if thats the way they want
to play it then they can loose the business.
Weve been buying the other PC's through 'box shifting' (for want of a
better description) companies. It is much nicer having a proper sales
rep to deal with. They really do want to give you better service and
prices when you buy in bulk!
And they speak english!

>When that particular department migrated to laptops their (I'd left by
>then) IT procurement manager asked me what I reckoned? They now have
>a fleet of very robust Toshiba laptops...

It seems much of a muchness between the major brands. Strangely Dell
still give favourable pricing to the county council so i can get
decently proced ones (without the rip-off delivery) through the
council purchasing stuff (but only a couple of set products).

 

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Tim Hobbs

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #35

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 13:25:06 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:31:12 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:51:31 +0100, Tom Woods <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>We used to buy a lot of dells for work as they were cheap and never
>>>went wrong (I know of a couple of dud HD's and one PSU out of a couple
>>>of hundred PC's in schools). I only used to buy them when they were on
>>>special offer.
>>
>>I used to buy (lots) of Viglens - never had a problem. When Viglen
>>went, started with Dells, had no end of hassles - not necessarily with
>>the machines, more the service. seemed to me they weren't too
>>bothered whether I was buying one for home or 500 for the office.
>
>I've noticed that. Seems quite stupid - but if thats the way they want
>to play it then they can loose the business.
>Weve been buying the other PC's through 'box shifting' (for want of a
>better description) companies. It is much nicer having a proper sales
>rep to deal with. They really do want to give you better service and
>prices when you buy in bulk!
>And they speak english!
>
>>When that particular department migrated to laptops their (I'd left by
>>then) IT procurement manager asked me what I reckoned? They now have
>>a fleet of very robust Toshiba laptops...
>
>It seems much of a muchness between the major brands. Strangely Dell
>still give favourable pricing to the county council so i can get
>decently proced ones (without the rip-off delivery) through the
>council purchasing stuff (but only a couple of set products).

"Been there" trying to sell FSC kit. We gave up - first deal is
usually OK, but the margins are near zero, cashflow risk is sky high
and customer satisfaction seems to be virtually impossible to achieve.


--

Tim Hobbs

'58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig"
'03 Volvo V70

 

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Simon Isaacs

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #36

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:14:36 +0100, Mother <"@ {mother} @"@101fc.net>
scribbled the following nonsense:

>On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:04:11 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Is there any decernable difference between 16.2 million colours and
>>16.7million?
>
>For what you're intending to use it for, none at all.
>
>If, however, you're doing a lot of print ready artwork and the like*,
>then yes, there's a fair bit of difference.
>
>To the eye? Well, there's a years worth of debate there, but I'd say
>'no', you'll not really notice any difference.
>
>*Digital photography doesn't count ;-)

I could be shown something in 16million colours or 16 gazillion
colours, and I still wouldn't see the difference. When you're
red/green/purple colour blind you still struggle to tell what colour
is what!!!!
--

Simon Isaacs

Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster
Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director
101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk
1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer!
Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT
Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next
1993 200 TDi Discovery
1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded.....
1979 Range Ruster body shell and chassis

 

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Derek

Guest

• Oct 27, 2005

• #37

rads wrote:

> <snip>
> However, the dilemma is where do I buy it... Have found the
>
>>following online shops of which savastore is the only one I've used. They
>>all have what appears to be the same monitor, but each has different
>>descriptions. Which should I go with?
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?M17D21C0C
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?U18D21C0C
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1AD32C0C
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4CD26C0C
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1DD25C0C
>>
>>Many thanks for your time with this..
>
>
> I stopped buying from Dabs when they removed the ability to contact
> them by phone.
>
> Whilst I understand the reasons they have done so, I hope they also
> understand why I have excercised my freedom of choice in my purchasing
> decisions!
>
> David
It wasn't a lot better when you could contact them by phone I had issues
with them that took months to sort out and then only by using a devious
method of contacting them the Customer Circus line was just that.
Derek