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Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat panel one.
Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete novice so what
should I be looking for? It would seem that the quality is dictated by
cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and resolution. Don't really know what
thats all about if I'm honest. I'm obviously after the clearest picture and
most usable screen, whatever that might be. Generally I don't do any gaming,
but I do watch the odd dvd etc. what do I need?

One I was interested in was the following

http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C

Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is it any
good, or is there better deals to be had??

Graham


 
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:40:08 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>One I was interested in was the following
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C

Try www.dabs.co.uk

I've had an Iiyama ProLite E481S for a year or so and cannot fault it.


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 

"Graham G" wrote ...
> Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat panel
> one. Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete novice so
> what should I be looking for? It would seem that the quality is dictated
> by cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and resolution. Don't really know
> what thats all about if I'm honest. I'm obviously after the clearest
> picture and most usable screen, whatever that might be. Generally I don't
> do any gaming, but I do watch the odd dvd etc. what do I need?
>
> One I was interested in was the following
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C
>
> Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is it any
> good, or is there better deals to be had??
>
I use a 19 inch Dell and it's excellent.

--
Regards
Bob
In Runnymede, 17 miles West of London


 
I bought a 32" HDTV for the bedroom which also doubles as a monitor. You can
get motion sickness if you sit too close ;-)

Prices are coming down...and a dual purpose one is very cool. I can use the
PC and watch TV in the corner .... *or* .... watch TV and use the PC in the
corner.....

--
Neil


 
>I bought a 32" HDTV for the bedroom which also doubles as a monitor. You
>can
> get motion sickness if you sit too close ;-)
>
> Prices are coming down...and a dual purpose one is very cool. I can use
> the
> PC and watch TV in the corner .... *or* .... watch TV and use the PC in
> the
> corner.....

I think Emma would kill me if I got another 32'' tv! Would love to (had
thought about it) but cannot really justify the extra cost atm.

Cheers
Graham


 

"Bob Hobden" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> "Graham G" wrote ...
>> Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat panel
>> one. Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete novice so
>> what should I be looking for? It would seem that the quality is dictated
>> by cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and resolution. Don't really know
>> what thats all about if I'm honest. I'm obviously after the clearest
>> picture and most usable screen, whatever that might be. Generally I don't
>> do any gaming, but I do watch the odd dvd etc. what do I need?
>>
>> One I was interested in was the following
>>
>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C
>>
>> Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is it any
>> good, or is there better deals to be had??
>>
> I use a 19 inch Dell and it's excellent.

Cool, thanks.

Graham


 
On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:43:51 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Thanks, any thioughts on this one:
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2BB11B0C

These are excellent monitors for the price - crikey, actually the
price has come down somewhat - may treat Matt to one for his Birthday!


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 16:40:08 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat panel one.
>Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete novice so what
>should I be looking for? It would seem that the quality is dictated by
>cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and resolution. Don't really know what
>thats all about if I'm honest. I'm obviously after the clearest picture and
>most usable screen, whatever that might be. Generally I don't do any gaming,
>but I do watch the odd dvd etc. what do I need?
>
>One I was interested in was the following
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C
>
>Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is it any
>good, or is there better deals to be had??

they work best at the "native" resolution.

17" flat displays are more viewable space than a 17" monitor, so depending
on what resolution you want, a 17" is maybe big enough - it'll look bigger
than a 17" monitor.

response time (faster) contrast range (bigger) and brightness are all things
to look for, AFAIK.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Quos deus vult perdere, prius dementat" Euripedes, quoted in
Boswell's "Johnson".
 
>
>>Thanks, any thioughts on this one:
>>
>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2BB11B0C
>
> These are excellent monitors for the price - crikey, actually the
> price has come down somewhat - may treat Matt to one for his Birthday!

Is there any decernable difference between 16.2 million colours and
16.7million?

Have gone through every one of these screens and keep ending up at the same
two. that is the only real difference, that and the price, the 16.7 is
nearly £100 more


 
Graham G wrote:
>>>Thanks, any thioughts on this one:
>>>
>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?L2BB11B0C
>>
>>These are excellent monitors for the price - crikey, actually the
>>price has come down somewhat - may treat Matt to one for his Birthday!
>
>
> Is there any decernable difference between 16.2 million colours and
> 16.7million?
>
> Have gone through every one of these screens and keep ending up at the same
> two. that is the only real difference, that and the price, the 16.7 is
> nearly £100 more
>
>
Huge difference - 16.7M colours is 8 bit colour, 16.2M is 6 bit colour
with some fancy dithering.

http://compreviews.about.com/od/multimedia/a/LCDColor.htm

--
EMB
 
Graham G wrote:

> Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat panel one.
> Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete novice so what
> should I be looking for? It would seem that the quality is dictated by
> cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and resolution. Don't really know what
> thats all about if I'm honest. I'm obviously after the clearest picture and
> most usable screen, whatever that might be. Generally I don't do any gaming,
> but I do watch the odd dvd etc. what do I need?
>
> One I was interested in was the following
>
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C
>
> Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is it any
> good, or is there better deals to be had??
>
> Graham
>
>
Well if you are doing anything that requires movement on screen that is
not the one you want 20ms refresh is slow and will give motion blur on
games and movies (assuming thats your lobster) you need 16ms or better
to have a chance . Best advise and this is fun too is take a trip down
PC world on saturday and ask some 'spotty' with a badge for a demo I'll
put a link at the end of tech info so you have the right questions to
ask to wind him up.Other thing to watch is the screen resolution TFTs
and LCDs need to run at their native resolution otherwise you can get
ill defined images which makes text difficult to read and enemies
difficult to snipe If you are running programs with a fixed screen size
this may be a problem.Its useful also if your video card has a digital
output and the screen digital input as you lose some image quality if
the images go through an analogue stage not all 'digital' monitors have
the correct inputs really defeats the object of the exercise. see Tom
review at
http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050720/index.html
and for more price comparison Micro Direct
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productlister.aspx?GroupID=420
Derek


 
In message <[email protected]>, Derek
<[email protected]> writes
>Graham G wrote:
>
>> Am toying with idea of replacing my 17'' monitor with a 19'' flat
>>panel one. Any recommendations/advice would be welcome. Am a complete
>>novice so what should I be looking for? It would seem that the
>>quality is dictated by cd/m2, contrast ratio, response time and
>>resolution. Don't really know what thats all about if I'm honest. I'm
>>obviously after the clearest picture and most usable screen, whatever
>>that might be. Generally I don't do any gaming, but I do watch the
>>odd dvd etc. what do I need?
>> One I was interested in was the following
>> http://makeashorterlink.com/?W5B932B0C
>> Have used Dell a lot before so am confident of the quality, but is
>>it any good, or is there better deals to be had??
>> Graham
>Well if you are doing anything that requires movement on screen that is
>not the one you want 20ms refresh is slow and will give motion blur on
>games and movies (assuming thats your lobster) you need 16ms or better
>to have a chance . Best advise and this is fun too is take a trip down
>PC world on saturday and ask some 'spotty' with a badge for a demo I'll
>put a link at the end of tech info so you have the right questions to
>ask to wind him up.Other thing to watch is the screen resolution TFTs
>and LCDs need to run at their native resolution otherwise you can get
>ill defined images which makes text difficult to read and enemies
>difficult to snipe If you are running programs with a fixed screen size
>this may be a problem.Its useful also if your video card has a digital
>output and the screen digital input as you lose some image quality if
>the images go through an analogue stage not all 'digital' monitors have
>the correct inputs really defeats the object of the exercise. see Tom review at
> http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050720/index.html
>and for more price comparison Micro Direct
>http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productlister.aspx?GroupID=420
>Derek
>
>
I'd second that, in fact I would go further and suggest you want sub
10ms for games and movies. I have used several LCD displays at work, and
am just about to switch over for home as the prices have got down to a
sensible level. I'll almost certainly be buying from
<http://www.overclockers.co.uk> having used them for several years now,
the best customer service I've found and good technical advice. I'll be
getting one of the 4ms refresh Samsungs, probably the Samsung SM930BF.

HTH

Will
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On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 20:04:11 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Is there any decernable difference between 16.2 million colours and
>16.7million?

For what you're intending to use it for, none at all.

If, however, you're doing a lot of print ready artwork and the like*,
then yes, there's a fair bit of difference.

To the eye? Well, there's a years worth of debate there, but I'd say
'no', you'll not really notice any difference.

*Digital photography doesn't count ;-)


--
"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one
of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being
increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs
In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005
 
>>Is there any decernable difference between 16.2 million colours and
>>16.7million?
>
> For what you're intending to use it for, none at all.
>
> If, however, you're doing a lot of print ready artwork and the like*,
> then yes, there's a fair bit of difference.
>
> To the eye? Well, there's a years worth of debate there, but I'd say
> 'no', you'll not really notice any difference.
>
> *Digital photography doesn't count ;-)

Do you ever get the feeling you have just opened a can of worms and are
going to end up more confused than when you started?

Difference to the eye is the important one I guess. Don't do much detailed
graphic work, but do spend a substancial amount of time in front of the
computer so it does need to be right.

Basically what I'm after is something that will perform similar or better
than my 17'' CRT, take up a fith of the space (blasted thing is huge), have
a larger screen size (often working in up to 4 windows at once and it gets
difficult to get enough information viewable (either area or size)) and be
affordable.

Bulk of my work is on spreadsheets and databases, although I do spend a fair
bit of time on the net. Frequently running DVD's or MPEGs both with work and
outside it.

All that said, any suggestions of items are greatly recieved.

Graham


 
> Well if you are doing anything that requires movement on screen that is
> not the one you want 20ms refresh is slow and will give motion blur on
> games and movies (assuming thats your lobster) you need 16ms or better to
> have a chance . Best advise and this is fun too is take a trip down PC
> world on saturday and ask some 'spotty' with a badge for a demo I'll put a
> link at the end of tech info so you have the right questions to ask to
> wind him up.Other thing to watch is the screen resolution TFTs and LCDs
> need to run at their native resolution otherwise you can get ill defined
> images which makes text difficult to read and enemies difficult to snipe
> If you are running programs with a fixed screen size this may be a
> problem.Its useful also if your video card has a digital output and the
> screen digital input as you lose some image quality if the images go
> through an analogue stage not all 'digital' monitors have the correct
> inputs really defeats the object of the exercise. see Tom review at
> http://graphics.tomshardware.com/display/20050720/index.html
> and for more price comparison Micro Direct
> http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productlister.aspx?GroupID=420
> Derek

Thanks very much, that helps alot.

Am learning fast, but as I said earlier, I want to be sure I'm buying the
right thing.

Graham


 
On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 22:33:20 +0100, "Graham G" <[email protected]>
enlightened us thusly:

>>>Is there any decernable difference between 16.2 million colours and
>>>16.7million?

>Do you ever get the feeling you have just opened a can of worms and are
>going to end up more confused than when you started?

often...

>Difference to the eye is the important one I guess. Don't do much detailed
>graphic work, but do spend a substancial amount of time in front of the
>computer so it does need to be right.

to be perfectly honest, for every day use of the machine, you can use
"thousands of colours" quite happily. As a case in point: take you
favourite image software, load a 24-bit JPEG (8-bit colour in 3 channels, R,
G and B) and then change your monitor settings from 24-bit to 16-bit or even
to 8-bit (assuming PC) or from "millions of colours" to "thousands of
colours (on a mac) and note how little difference you see.

8-bit looks a bit rough. But 8-bit is 256 colours total. 16-bit, for
average use on screen, is hardly discernible from 24-bit.
>
>Basically what I'm after is something that will perform similar or better
>than my 17'' CRT, take up a fith of the space (blasted thing is huge), have
>a larger screen size (often working in up to 4 windows at once and it gets
>difficult to get enough information viewable (either area or size)) and be
>affordable.
>
>Bulk of my work is on spreadsheets and databases, although I do spend a fair
>bit of time on the net. Frequently running DVD's or MPEGs both with work and
>outside it.

the more performance the better for running DVDs etc., but then again,
response time is probably more valid than colours. Having said that, I'd go
for a full set of colours meself...

My main objection so far is that none of the 17" ones (which are affordable)
will run the 1280x960 resolution that I favour. Most 19" will, though.

Nor do I especially like 5:4 resolution (e.g. 1280x1024), as opposed to 4:3
- although that's a purely personal thing.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:33:29 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Thanks very much, that helps alot.
>
>Am learning fast, but as I said earlier, I want to be sure I'm buying the
>right thing.

Just to throw another wossname into the pot - the last of the big CRTs are
very good for the money if you have the desk-space for it.

Small CRTs have all-but disappeared; but in the 19-21" range there are some
good ones still. Competitive on price with the decent large TFTs as well -
and cheap TFTs are what they say, cheap, and it tends to show.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Austin Shackles muttered summat about:

> On or around Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:33:29 +0000 (UTC), "Graham G"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>> Thanks very much, that helps alot.
>>
>> Am learning fast, but as I said earlier, I want to be sure I'm
>> buying the right thing.
>
> Just to throw another wossname into the pot - the last of the big
> CRTs are very good for the money if you have the desk-space for it.
>
> Small CRTs have all-but disappeared; but in the 19-21" range there
> are some good ones still. Competitive on price with the decent large
> TFTs as well - and cheap TFTs are what they say, cheap, and it tends
> to show.

Haven't got the room really, thats the idea berhind this as there isn't
really much wrong with the CRT I have, just takes up so much room.

This might be the last thing on this. Have pretty much decided on a Iiyama
19" TFT E481S-B ProLite Black/silver, unless anyone says different, as it
seems to me to be a really good all rounder and comes with a 'mother' seal
of approval ;o) However, the dilemma is where do I buy it... Have found the
following online shops of which savastore is the only one I've used. They
all have what appears to be the same monitor, but each has different
descriptions. Which should I go with?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?M17D21C0C

http://makeashorterlink.com/?U18D21C0C

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1AD32C0C

http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4CD26C0C

http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1DD25C0C

Many thanks for your time with this..

--
Graham

101 GS
101 Rad Bod


 
<snip>
However, the dilemma is where do I buy it... Have found the
>following online shops of which savastore is the only one I've used. They
>all have what appears to be the same monitor, but each has different
>descriptions. Which should I go with?
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?M17D21C0C
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?U18D21C0C
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1AD32C0C
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?K4CD26C0C
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?Z1DD25C0C
>
>Many thanks for your time with this..

I stopped buying from Dabs when they removed the ability to contact
them by phone.

Whilst I understand the reasons they have done so, I hope they also
understand why I have excercised my freedom of choice in my purchasing
decisions!

David
 
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