Not satisfied with the level of unreliability.

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Land Rover/TATA are not satisfied with the level of unreliability currently being achieved, so they have decided to build their own engines which will give them the oportunity to increase levels of unreliablity to new heights.:behindsofa::rolleyes:
 
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thought it was mine! said:
mate all is good i have seen wat there planning and britpart has a section in new biulding to supply all oil seals.
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So they're working towards total loss lubrication system then, it'll save on teaching new fitters how to service vehicles then.....and also saves having to stock the stores with oil filters.......:eek:

But being as they still make "Royal Oilfields" and "Standard Cars" in India thats no surprise then...
 
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zzr1200 said:
So they're working towards total loss lubrication system then, it'll save on teaching new fitters how to service vehicles then.....and also saves having to stock the stores with oil filters.......:eek:

But being as they still make "Royal Oilfields" and "Standard Cars" in India thats no surprise then...
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Royal Enfield the only bike ever made that had oil proof leggings as standard. :):)
 
Datatek said:
I thought the Jag V8 was a Ford engine and the L322 diesel V8 was a Ford/Peugeot product?
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The Diesel is a PSA jobbie, but the V8 was designed from scratch by Jaguar, Jaguar were given a budget to design a variable valve timing system for the upcoming small block Ford engine that they had been developing at huge cost for nearly 10 years. Jaguar had other ideas and designed their own engine. Ford were livid - they gave explicit instructions to Jaguar to abandon any engine development projects when they took over.

Angry Ford took the AJV8 back to Dearborn to test it, it was smaller, more powerful and more fuel efficient than the in house Ford project. To rub salt into the wounds it doubled the meantime-before-failure test on the dyno despite having a (1,500rpm) higher rev-ceiling. They asked Jag to develop a low tech version for Lincoln, the in-house Ford project was quietly dropped (actually the engine appeared in the truck division) Ford then pretended they helped develop the AJV8 - nonsense. I worked there at the time.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
The Diesel is a PSA jobbie, but the V8 was designed from scratch by Jaguar, Jaguar were given a budget to design a variable valve timing system for the upcoming small block Ford engine that they had been developing at huge cost for nearly 10 years. Jaguar had other ideas and designed their own engine. Ford were livid - they gave explicit instructions to Jaguar to abandon any engine development projects when they took over.

Angry Ford took the AJV8 back to Dearborn to test it, it was smaller, more powerful and more fuel efficient than the in house Ford project. To rub salt into the wounds it doubled the meantime-before-failure test on the dyno despite having a (1,500rpm) higher rev-ceiling. They asked Jag to develop a low tech version for Lincoln, the in-house Ford project was quietly dropped (actually the engine appeared in the truck division) Ford then pretended they helped develop the AJV8 - nonsense. I worked there at the time.
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Thank you, at last someone with real knowledge of what actually goes on.It has been my frustration for many years that people with smart ideas have not had the chance or backing to prove themselves.BMW snubbed all the LR engine development when the TD5,(Whatever you think of it many are racking up some serious hours/mileage) apparently beat them at their own game.
Yet another reason to make me think that LR's saving grace would have been Honda - had they been given the chance to bid.But Only because successive govt's have failed to recognise that LR have always been worth supporting unlike many other lame ducks that they pumped squillions into.(Dont even start me on the motorcycle industry.....)
 
When BMW bought Rover the industry rumour mill was all about who was going to get a bid together to buy BMW first, the analysts were all doom and gloom over BMW because they made the same car in three different sizes and had nothing in the burgeoning and profitable SUV and FWD hatch market. Buying Rover saved BMW from hostile takeover, it also gave them premium brands and technology in two new sectors. They then asset-stripped and dumped the company. How British people can buy BMW products after what they did to Rover I do not know.

The really painful thing was watching the press spread the "English patient" myth, they bought the whole Rover group for something like £800m and sold LR Jag for $3.8bn alone (as soon as the X-Series was ready). Made a fortune selling the land from non-franchised dealers and moving parts production to their plants where possible. BMW putting into question the future of Rover on the day of the Rover 75 launch is an example of them trying to stop Rover being successful in order to make it easier to cut their losses after they got what they needed from the "deal".

Shameful, truly shameful. The chancers that were the Phoenix four got the blame but the damage had already been done.
 
StuckAgainSteve said:
When BMW bought Rover the industry rumour mill was all about who was going to get a bid together to buy BMW first, the analysts were all doom and gloom over BMW because they made the same car in three different sizes and had nothing in the burgeoning and profitable SUV and FWD hatch market. Buying Rover saved BMW from hostile takeover, it also gave them premium brands and technology in two new sectors. They then asset-stripped and dumped the company. How British people can buy BMW products after what they did to Rover I do not know.

The really painful thing was watching the press spread the "English patient" myth, they bought the whole Rover group for something like £800m and sold LR Jag for $3.8bn alone (as soon as the X-Series was ready). Made a fortune selling the land from non-franchised dealers and moving parts production to their plants where possible. BMW putting into question the future of Rover on the day of the Rover 75 launch is an example of them trying to stop Rover being successful in order to make it easier to cut their losses after they got what they needed from the "deal".

Shameful, truly shameful. The chancers that were the Phoenix four got the blame but the damage had already been done.
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Dont you think its yet another case of the masses buying a "brand" that the media has pushed people to believe are a "premium" buy ? (With little or no thought as to what is behind that company)
 
eightinavee said:
Dont you think its yet another case of the masses buying a "brand" that the media has pushed people to believe are a "premium" buy ? (With little or no thought as to what is behind that company)
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Absolutely right, the only thing BMW are good at is brand marketing. My experience of the actual cars is that they are pretty poor and the after sales service is downright terrible. I had better service out of an XR3!
 
Datatek said:
Absolutely right, the only thing BMW are good at is brand marketing. My experience of the actual cars is that they are pretty poor and the after sales service is downright terrible. I had better service out of an XR3!
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I don't rate BMW and seeing the 90's models crash they were unsafe in my opinion, when compared to other cars
 
Has anyone been onto the BMW, X5 Forum ??
Seems to me that they have similar problems over there.
Questions such as "Air Suspension problem..Should I convert to coils?".
I think that many problems are down to over sophistication with the "Tommorows World" whizz kids and Geeks given a free hand.
Let's face it, if this forum existed in the Classic and old 3.5, V8 days the main problems would have been related to rotting upper and lower tailgates, sagging headlinings etc. All within reach of anyone with a set of spanners and a large tub of Swarfega.
 
Irishrover said:
Has anyone been onto the BMW, X5 Forum ??
Seems to me that they have similar problems over there.
Questions such as "Air Suspension problem..Should I convert to coils?".
I think that many problems are down to over sophistication with the "Tommorows World" whizz kids and Geeks given a free hand.
Let's face it, if this forum existed in the Classic and old 3.5, V8 days the main problems would have been related to rotting upper and lower tailgates, sagging headlinings etc. All within reach of anyone with a set of spanners and a large tub of Swarfega.
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:D true, and electronic failure will increase with age, can you see many 100 year old classics of the future running
( they will be banned for environmental crimes)
 
On a different note....has anyone read about the auction at John Craddocks in Cannock??
He bought a load of old LR's from Sweden and raised around £200K apparently.
Read about it on "The Birmingham Mail" website last night.
 
Irishrover said:
On a different note....has anyone read about the auction at John Craddocks in Cannock??
He bought a load of old LR's from Sweden and raised around £200K apparently.
Read about it on "The Birmingham Mail" website last night.
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Yeah it was advertised John. Think someone on here put a link up to it. Lots of stuff to pick from. Including some pretty outlandish (no pun) stuff.
 
Agree with the X5 comments, know a guy who is looking for a coil kit and others I know who have had one say they are over rated but to say all BMW products are just marketing is a bit much, what about the M3 & M5 both trully greats in thier own lifetime.
Davie
 
I recently got rid of my company car Z4 after 3 years. Always 100% reliable & v cheap to run. Service from first dealer was ****e - except they smashed an X5 into the front at the first service so lent me an M version for 3 weeks. Other dealer was fine. But I have to say it was a great car until... SNOW - ha ha it wouldn't go over a bump in the road if there was a snowflake in sight. I won't be getting another BMW.
 
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