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Mark Solesbury wrote:
>
> lesson of the day
> Engage Reverse and DONT STEER!
>

The worst was...applying the brakes!!
If he/she had just released them in time....
Kind regards,
Erik-Jan.
 
Mark Solesbury came up with the following;:
> lesson of the day
> Engage Reverse and DONT STEER!


More like ... If you're using a spotter, follow their uinstructions ... ;)

--
Paul ...
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!
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On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:05:48 -0000, "Mark Solesbury"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>lesson of the day
>Engage Reverse and DONT STEER!


Lesson no.2

Please ensure your spare wheel is secured....

Alex
 
On or around Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late so when I
>saw this video
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover
>it reminded me of that other post of Austins


actually, it's more "how not to fail a hillclimb". it's the backing down
where he got it wrong - could be he braked - front wheels are light and lose
grip, resulting in it going sideways.

mind, it looks like it survived fairly intact.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Sun, 08 Jan 2006 00:08:20 +0000, Alex
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 15:05:48 -0000, "Mark Solesbury"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>lesson of the day
>>Engage Reverse and DONT STEER!

>
>Lesson no.2
>
>Please ensure your spare wheel is secured....


yes, I noticed that.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On or around Sat, 7 Jan 2006 18:42:58 -0000, "Paul - xxx"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>Mark Solesbury came up with the following;:
>> lesson of the day
>> Engage Reverse and DONT STEER!

>
>More like ... If you're using a spotter, follow their uinstructions ... ;)


ah, that was the jeep one. The landy bloke braked when trying to back down
a hill and then failed to realise that he'd lost steering until too late.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 

"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On or around Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>
>>We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late so when
>>I
>>saw this video
>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover
>>it reminded me of that other post of Austins

>
> actually, it's more "how not to fail a hillclimb". it's the backing down
> where he got it wrong - could be he braked - front wheels are light and
> lose
> grip, resulting in it going sideways.
>
> mind, it looks like it survived fairly intact.
> --
> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
> Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.


I've looked at it a few times there appears to be a section missing after he
stalls the engine (10secs) when it resumes he's already sliding with the
brakes locked + the backend coming round having lost it, difficult to say
whether it went sliding with the brakes locked on the restart attempt or he
broke adhesion trying to climb the last bit , paniced and locked up still
glad it wasnt me I've never liked going down backwards
Derek


 
On or around Sun, 08 Jan 2006 18:50:14 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Austin Shackles" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On or around Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
>> <[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:
>>
>>>We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late so when
>>>I
>>>saw this video
>>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover
>>>it reminded me of that other post of Austins

>>
>> actually, it's more "how not to fail a hillclimb". it's the backing down
>> where he got it wrong - could be he braked - front wheels are light and
>> lose
>> grip, resulting in it going sideways.
>>
>> mind, it looks like it survived fairly intact.
>> --
>> Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
>> Satisfying: Satisfy your inner child by eating ten tubes of Smarties
>> from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.

>
>I've looked at it a few times there appears to be a section missing after he
>stalls the engine (10secs) when it resumes he's already sliding with the
>brakes locked + the backend coming round having lost it, difficult to say
>whether it went sliding with the brakes locked on the restart attempt or he
>broke adhesion trying to climb the last bit , paniced and locked up still
>glad it wasnt me I've never liked going down backwards


can be exciting, yes. 's one of those things you have to know about though.
Locked front wheels in reverse will overtake the back ones just like a
handbrake turn only the other way round.

I believe the official technique if you stall the engine is to put it in
reverse, clutch up, then start the engine with it in gear. If it's not too
steep and there's enough grip, trundle slowly backwards, keeping it
straight. If it starts to slide, then that means you've lost rear grip[1],
and sometimes you have to apply some throttle to speed the wheels up a bit.

[1] unless you braked.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
Confidence: Before important work meetings, boost your confidence by
reading a few pages from "The Tibetan Book of the Dead"
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:39:07 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):


>
> can be exciting, yes. 's one of those things you have to know about though.
> Locked front wheels in reverse will overtake the back ones just like a
> handbrake turn only the other way round.
>
> I believe the official technique if you stall the engine is to put it in
> reverse, clutch up, then start the engine with it in gear. If it's not too
> steep and there's enough grip, trundle slowly backwards, keeping it
> straight. If it starts to slide, then that means you've lost rear grip[1],
> and sometimes you have to apply some throttle to speed the wheels up a bit.
>
> [1] unless you braked.
>


Potentially dumb question from someone who's off road driving experience is
limited to taking the easiest route possible across a few fields: are there
circumstances (this being one of them) where would one might actually be
better off trying to go up backwards?

Nick.

 
....and Nick Williams spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...


> On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:39:07 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote
> (in article <[email protected]>):
>
>
>>
>> can be exciting, yes. 's one of those things you have to know about
>> though. Locked front wheels in reverse will overtake the back ones
>> just like a handbrake turn only the other way round.
>>
>> I believe the official technique if you stall the engine is to put
>> it in reverse, clutch up, then start the engine with it in gear. If
>> it's not too steep and there's enough grip, trundle slowly
>> backwards, keeping it straight. If it starts to slide, then that
>> means you've lost rear grip[1], and sometimes you have to apply some
>> throttle to speed the wheels up a bit.
>>
>> [1] unless you braked.
>>

>
> Potentially dumb question from someone who's off road driving
> experience is limited to taking the easiest route possible across a
> few fields: are there circumstances (this being one of them) where
> would one might actually be better off trying to go up backwards?
>
> Nick.


If it's hard going forwards, imagine it with one hand on the wheel, looking
over your shoulder, and with rear-wheel steering! Not for me, thanks. It's
not a dumb question, but before you attempt something like that, get someone
to show you the "failed ascent" technique - it would have saved that guy his
Landy.

--
Rich
==============================
Disco 300 Tdi auto
S2a 88" SW
Tiggrr (V8 trialler)


 
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:01:28 +0000, Richard Brookman wrote
(in article <[email protected]>):

> ...and Nick Williams spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...
>
>
>> On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:39:07 +0000, Austin Shackles wrote
>> (in article <[email protected]>):
>>
>>
>>>
>>> can be exciting, yes. 's one of those things you have to know about
>>> though. Locked front wheels in reverse will overtake the back ones
>>> just like a handbrake turn only the other way round.
>>>
>>> I believe the official technique if you stall the engine is to put
>>> it in reverse, clutch up, then start the engine with it in gear. If
>>> it's not too steep and there's enough grip, trundle slowly
>>> backwards, keeping it straight. If it starts to slide, then that
>>> means you've lost rear grip[1], and sometimes you have to apply some
>>> throttle to speed the wheels up a bit.
>>>
>>> [1] unless you braked.
>>>

>>
>> Potentially dumb question from someone who's off road driving
>> experience is limited to taking the easiest route possible across a
>> few fields: are there circumstances (this being one of them) where
>> would one might actually be better off trying to go up backwards?
>>
>> Nick.

>
> If it's hard going forwards, imagine it with one hand on the wheel, looking
> over your shoulder, and with rear-wheel steering! Not for me, thanks. It's
> not a dumb question, but before you attempt something like that, get someone
> to show you the "failed ascent" technique - it would have saved that guy his
> Landy.
>
>


I see what you mean. Having spent most of my life driving vehicles without
useable rear windows, I rarely turn my head and look out of the back when
reversing, even in the car - I take it slowly and use the mirrors. I
certainly wasn't thinking about charging backwards up something in the way
this guy does. I had in mind an approach which relied on grip rather than
momentum, and which provided a better opportunity for a safe bail-out.

Nick.

 
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late so when I
>saw this video
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover


Thats put me off driving up very steep hills without having a roll
bar!

Weston Coyney looks almost exactly like the place in that clip. I've
driven down a hill just like that. On the way down we hit a bump and
my passenger managed to get from sitting in the passenger seat to
having her head wedged between my knees and the steering wheel, at
which point i stalled it because i couldnt move my legs. Thats why you
wear seatbelts!

 
On or around Mon, 9 Jan 2006 20:49:30 +0000, Nick Williams
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>I see what you mean. Having spent most of my life driving vehicles without
>useable rear windows, I rarely turn my head and look out of the back when
>reversing, even in the car - I take it slowly and use the mirrors. I
>certainly wasn't thinking about charging backwards up something in the way
>this guy does. I had in mind an approach which relied on grip rather than
>momentum, and which provided a better opportunity for a safe bail-out.


it would allow of better control in the descent phase, but it's often the
case that the sort of hill you fail to climb needs more momentum than you
could easily achieve in reverse - if there's enough grip for a slow
controlled climb you're unlikely to be needing an abort strategy, unless
your the kind of dumbass that's driving the jeep in the clip mentioned
upthread a bit. In his case, it was an obvious error, which was to ignore
the bloke doing the guiding.

mind you, guiding people like that is not something I willingly do. too
much scope for getting the blame if it goes wrong. Although the guy in the
video clip has clear evidence in that case that it was the driver's fault.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself.
If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself.
from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton.
 
Tom Woods wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late
>> so when I saw this video
>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover

>
> Thats put me off driving up very steep hills without having a roll
> bar!
>
> Weston Coyney looks almost exactly like the place in that clip. I've
> driven down a hill just like that. On the way down we hit a bump and
> my passenger managed to get from sitting in the passenger seat to
> having her head wedged between my knees and the steering wheel, at
> which point i stalled it because i couldnt move my legs. Thats why you
> wear seatbelts!


A likely story if ever I heard one!

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!


 
In message <[email protected]>, Tom Woods
<[email protected]> writes
>On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late so when I
>>saw this video
>>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover

>
>Thats put me off driving up very steep hills without having a roll
>bar!
>
>Weston Coyney looks almost exactly like the place in that clip. I've
>driven down a hill just like that. On the way down we hit a bump and
>my passenger managed to get from sitting in the passenger seat to
>having her head wedged between my knees and the steering wheel, at
>which point i stalled it because i couldnt move my legs. Thats why you
>wear seatbelts!
>

Is Weston Coyney still operational? When is it open?
--
hugh
Reply to address is valid at the time of posting
 
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 18:12:03 +0000, hugh <hugh@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:

>>

>Is Weston Coyney still operational? When is it open?


I've not been for ages. My landy was my only car for a long time and i
didnt dare risk breaking it!

I dont know if its open anymore - nobody can ever seem to decide!.

I think there is still stuff going on there but its run by someone
other than what it used to be.
 
hugh wrote:
> In message <[email protected]>, Tom Woods
> <[email protected]> writes
>> On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 14:47:27 GMT, "Derek"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> We have been having a giggle at the antics of J**p drivers of late
>>> so when I saw this video
>>> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2141956139879045886&q=land+rover

>>
>> Thats put me off driving up very steep hills without having a roll
>> bar!


Hee hee - how I did laugh! Brilliant giggle at someone elses expense
<snip>

>> On the way down we hit a bump and
>> my passenger managed to get from sitting in the passenger seat to
>> having her head wedged between my knees and the steering wheel, at
>> which point i stalled it because i couldnt move my legs.


Mmmmmmmmm ..... ;-)

Di

"The hurrier I am the behinder I get"


 
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