new tyre advice

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Paul

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #1

had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could not
because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a new tyre
fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be replaced in axle
sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash is a bit tight. would it
be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is used mainly on road if it makes
any difference.

paul.

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #2

On or around Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:58:31 -0000, "Paul"
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could not
>because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a new tyre
>fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be replaced in axle
>sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash is a bit tight. would it
>be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is used mainly on road if it makes
>any difference.

how worn is the other one?

's not critical unless you're pushing the limits of the handling. I used to
tend to like changing disco tyres as a set of 4.
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"The breezy call of incense-breathing Morn, The swallow twittering
from the strawbuilt shed, The cock's shrill clarion, or the echoing
horn, No more shall rouse them from their lowly bed."
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GbH

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #3

In news:[email protected],
Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could
> not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a
> new tyre fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be
> replaced in axle sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash
> is a bit tight. would it be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is
> used mainly on road if it makes any difference.
>
> paul.

Could you not get it tubed?

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Huw

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #4

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
>> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could
>> not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a
>> new tyre fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be
>> replaced in axle sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash
>> is a bit tight. would it be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is
>> used mainly on road if it makes any difference.
>>
>> paul.
>
> Could you not get it tubed?
>

Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and insurance
reasons.

Huw

 

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Alex

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #5

On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:27:52 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

>
>"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> In news:[email protected],
>> Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
>>> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could
>>> not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a
>>> new tyre fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be
>>> replaced in axle sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash
>>> is a bit tight. would it be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is
>>> used mainly on road if it makes any difference.
>>>
>>> paul.
>>
>> Could you not get it tubed?
>>
>
>Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and insurance
>reasons.
>

If it's not reccomended/approved by the vehicle manufacturer as
original/optional fitment then they won't do it. Unfortunarly with
places like Kwap-Fit they apply this philosophy to Series vehicles,
which were designed to run with tubes, but they can't tell the
difference between a series and a defender.

Alex

 

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GbH

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #6

In news:[email protected],
Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> blithered:
> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> In news:[email protected],
>> Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
>>> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they
>>> could not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall.
>>> having a new tyre fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres
>>> should be replaced in axle sets. just had the disco before and
>>> aftered so cash is a bit tight. would it be ok to get one tyre
>>> renewed. the disco is used mainly on road if it makes any
>>> difference. paul.
>>
>> Could you not get it tubed?
>>
>
> Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and
> insurance reasons.
>
> Huw

So its not legal to have a tyre fitted with an innertube?

--
"He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt her doing it."

If at first you don't succeed,
maybe skydiving's not for you!

 

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Huw

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• Nov 2, 2005

• #7

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> blithered:
>> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In news:[email protected],
>>> Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
>>>> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they
>>>> could not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall.
>>>> having a new tyre fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres
>>>> should be replaced in axle sets. just had the disco before and
>>>> aftered so cash is a bit tight. would it be ok to get one tyre
>>>> renewed. the disco is used mainly on road if it makes any
>>>> difference. paul.
>>>
>>> Could you not get it tubed?
>>>
>>
>> Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and
>> insurance reasons.
>>
>> Huw
>
> So its not legal to have a tyre fitted with an innertube?
>

In a tubeless tyre, that is apparently the situation as understood by nearly
all tyre fitters.
The OP could actually stick an internal patch on himself as long as the site
is marginal to the sidewall and he realises that it might not last due to
flexing. I've done several in that area and never had a problem. Tyre
fitters will be rather cautious about patching in that area for two reasons,
the first of which is that they prefer to sell a new tyre, the second of
which is that they do not wish for any clever tosser to blame them if
something goes wrong.

Huw

 

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Autolycus

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• Nov 3, 2005

• #8

"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In news:[email protected],
> Huw <hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> blithered:
>> "GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> In news:[email protected],
>>> Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
>>>> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they
>>>> could not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall.
<snip>
>>>
>>> Could you not get it tubed?
>>>
>>
>> Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and
>> insurance reasons.
>>

>
> So its not legal to have a tyre fitted with an innertube?
>
Perhaps "not legal" was pushing it a bit too far, but Huw makes a valid
point. There are two principal reasons for not putting tubes in
punctured tyres marked as "tubeless": since the puncture hole isn't
sealed, water can get in and damage the tyre reinforcement; and the
inside of the tyre may have ribs or other unevenness that may quite
rapidly fret through an inner tube. There's far more deformation of
tyre sidewalls with modern radials than there used to be with
crossplies. It's a brave, foolish, or ignorant tyre fitter that will go
against the relevant BS code of practice and the tyre maker's advice.

And you can get a new tyre for less than the cost of 3/4 of a tank of
derv.

AIUI, the reason for not mixing new and old tyres on the same axle is
because the diff is then working all the time, but I find it difficult
to believe that 2 or 3 % difference in wheel speed matters a jot, or
we'd never dare drive round roundabouts. I suppose there may be subtle
effects of the different slip characteristics of different makes or ages
of tyres, but since, even on the road, one wheel may well be on very
different tarmac to the other, I can't get too excited.


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Joskin

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• Nov 3, 2005

• #9

"Paul" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could not
> because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a new tyre
> fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be replaced in
> axle sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash is a bit tight.
> would it be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is used mainly on road
> if it makes any difference.
>
> paul.
>

Paul,

I wouldn't do that by choice, but if you have no choice, then I don't think
it will do any harm (unless the other three are bald !). It will cause the
diff to work - but that's what it does on every bend anyway.

I'm thinking of getting my D90 'before and aftered' - I'd be interested in
your opinions.

Joskin

 

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Austin Shackles

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• Nov 3, 2005

• #10

On or around Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:03:02 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>>>
>>> Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and
>>> insurance reasons.
>>>
>>> Huw
>>
>> So its not legal to have a tyre fitted with an innertube?
>>
>
>In a tubeless tyre, that is apparently the situation as understood by nearly
>all tyre fitters.

yeah, but it's basically crap. Nearly all the tyres are suitable to fit to
a tube-type rim, and in that case, they have tubes. Tyres marked "tubeless"
are suitable to fit to a tubeless rim - I don't think, apart from specials
like beaded-edge tyres, there are any normal "tube only" tyres now. Some
are specific: the Avons I put on the disco, for example, are marked
"tubeless" and "on tube-type rim, use inner tube".

Does depend on the nature of the damage, though - if the casing cords are
actually cut, rather than just a nail-hole or something, then it'd be right
not to tube it.

The tyre bods round here are quite happy to fit tubes to such as discos in
the case of a tyre that has chronic deflation syndrome.

--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Ask yourself whether you are happy, and you cease to be so."
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Nov 3, 2005

• #11

On or around Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:35:26 +0000, Alex
<[email protected]> enlightened us thusly:

>On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:27:52 -0000, "Huw"
><hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>>"GbH" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> In news:[email protected],
>>> Paul <[email protected]> blithered:
>>>> had a flat on the disco today, took it to get repaired and they could
>>>> not because the puncture was on the edge of the tyre wall. having a
>>>> new tyre fitted tomorrow £62 but have just read that tyres should be
>>>> replaced in axle sets. just had the disco before and aftered so cash
>>>> is a bit tight. would it be ok to get one tyre renewed. the disco is
>>>> used mainly on road if it makes any difference.
>>>>
>>>> paul.
>>>
>>> Could you not get it tubed?
>>>
>>
>>Not legal. Or at least, tyre fitters will not do it for legal and insurance
>>reasons.
>>
>
>If it's not reccomended/approved by the vehicle manufacturer as
>original/optional fitment then they won't do it. Unfortunarly with
>places like Kwap-Fit they apply this philosophy to Series vehicles,
>which were designed to run with tubes, but they can't tell the
>difference between a series and a defender.

Even steel defender wheels are not tubeless, except maybe recent ones.
Earlier ones are the same as 109" sIII rims, from what I've seen.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Ask yourself whether you are happy, and you cease to be so."
John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873)

 

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Huw

Guest

• Nov 3, 2005

• #12

"Autolycus" <[email protected]> wrote
>
> AIUI, the reason for not mixing new and old tyres on the same axle is
> because the diff is then working all the time, but I find it difficult to
> believe that 2 or 3 % difference in wheel speed matters a jot, or we'd
> never dare drive round roundabouts. I suppose there may be subtle effects
> of the different slip characteristics of different makes or ages of tyres,
> but since, even on the road, one wheel may well be on very different
> tarmac to the other, I can't get too excited.
>

It matters more on some cars than others. IIRC there is or was a Volvo model
that is particularly sensitive and prone to failure.

Huw

 

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Paul

Guest

• Nov 3, 2005

• #13

>
> I'm thinking of getting my D90 'before and aftered' - I'd be interested in
> your opinions.
>
> Joskin
>

Not had a chance to have a good look underneath yet but my initial opinion
is that chris does do a very good job, the only slight criticisms if any are
that the clean up he does after the treatment perhaps could be better. i
found that there was quite abit of waxoyl on the roof, this is from the
enclosure he does the spraying in. not a big problem as it comes of with
white spirit easily, also there was a little waxoyl on one seat again it
cleaned of ok. my main tip would be to get a 9am slot because if you get a
3pm slot be prepared for a late night. we were expecting to get the disco
back at 7pm but chris was running late and said it would be 9.30-10pm. we
eventually got a call at 11.15 to say it was ready. by the time we inspected
it paid etc it was 11.40 and we got back to leicester at 1.45am, the
inspection was done by torch light hence the reason i did not spot the
problems until the next day.
overall its an expensive treatment but its a very dirty job to do and i am
glad i got chris to do it.

Paul.

 

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Austin Shackles

Guest

• Nov 3, 2005

• #14

On or around Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:47:48 -0000, "Huw"
<hedydd[nospam]@tiscali.co.uk> enlightened us thusly:

>
>"Autolycus" <[email protected]> wrote
>>
>> AIUI, the reason for not mixing new and old tyres on the same axle is
>> because the diff is then working all the time, but I find it difficult to
>> believe that 2 or 3 % difference in wheel speed matters a jot, or we'd
>> never dare drive round roundabouts. I suppose there may be subtle effects
>> of the different slip characteristics of different makes or ages of tyres,
>> but since, even on the road, one wheel may well be on very different
>> tarmac to the other, I can't get too excited.
>>
>
>It matters more on some cars than others. IIRC there is or was a Volvo model
>that is particularly sensitive and prone to failure.

I'd heard that some of the 4x4 cars with electrically switched 4x4 can have
problems if you fit new tyres one end and shagged tyres the other. However,
the difference in effective diameter from new to worn-out tread is something
like 20mm in 750mm, for LR-sized wheels, which works out approx 2.5%.
Your're not, however, going to have a new+old situation as extreme as that
for long, since if the thing's in regular use the old tyres will soon be
worn out and get replaced with new ones, which will then only be 1 or 2mm
different.
--
Austin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that
"Festina Lente" (Hasten slowly) Suetonius (c.70-c.140) Augustus, 25